Executive Order decreeing "cell-phone free" education in k-12

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

This is how it should be. In college no one is taking phones, those who want to learn, learn. Those who don't, won't.

But high school is not college. For one thing, college is voluntary and high school is compulsory. Also, college students are older with more maturity and self control (and financial ownership) than younger students.

If your child is not mature enough, and doesn’t have the self-control to have a phone at school, then keep the phone at home. If you know that your child cannot resist the temptation, then keep the phone at home.

If a student is not mature enough to behave properly including not using his phone, then the techer steps in.

I'm so confused by these posts from teachers who have no desire to have control over their classroom. Bewildering.

What do you want us to do after we’ve asked three times? I’m not wasting more instructional time. What solution are you offering?

I think it’s terrible you have to ask three times. I wish you could kick a kid out of class the first time you see him or her on the phone. Let the kids who want to learn, learn, and forget about the rest. In a true emergency, the parent will call the school office.

Right? I only want to teach the easy kids. The hard kids, I don't want to bother with them.

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For one thing, college is voluntary and high school is compulsory.

No it isn't. There is no requirement to attend HS after one's 16th birthday.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

This is how it should be. In college no one is taking phones, those who want to learn, learn. Those who don't, won't.

But high school is not college. For one thing, college is voluntary and high school is compulsory. Also, college students are older with more maturity and self control (and financial ownership) than younger students.

What does compulsory school have to do with being on your phone?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Yes it is. You are totally responsible for classroom discipline and ensuring the kid with the phone does not distract other kids from learning.

Some kid quietly scrolling on Instagram is not distracting the kid next to them that actually wants to learn.

You're also responsible for making sure the kid with the phone is learning. Kid's shouldn't have their phones out during instructional time. For their own good as well as their classmates.

And how do you propose we enforce that? We're not allowed to take your kids' phones. We're not allowed to grade on behavior. Your kids know that and they love it!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Yes it is. You are totally responsible for classroom discipline and ensuring the kid with the phone does not distract other kids from learning.

Some kid quietly scrolling on Instagram is not distracting the kid next to them that actually wants to learn.

You're also responsible for making sure the kid with the phone is learning. Kid's shouldn't have their phones out during instructional time. For their own good as well as their classmates.

And how do you propose we enforce that? We're not allowed to take your kids' phones. We're not allowed to grade on behavior. Your kids know that and they love it!!

Many of us are saying we DO want schools to take the phone away if it is out - either by teacher taking it or by sending kid to the principal to require it to be turned in there. We disagree with schools that do not allow phones to be taken.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

This is how it should be. In college no one is taking phones, those who want to learn, learn. Those who don't, won't.

But high school is not college. For one thing, college is voluntary and high school is compulsory. Also, college students are older with more maturity and self control (and financial ownership) than younger students.

If your child is not mature enough, and doesn’t have the self-control to have a phone at school, then keep the phone at home. If you know that your child cannot resist the temptation, then keep the phone at home.

If a student is not mature enough to behave properly including not using his phone, then the techer steps in.

I'm so confused by these posts from teachers who have no desire to have control over their classroom. Bewildering.

What do you want us to do after we’ve asked three times? I’m not wasting more instructional time. What solution are you offering?

I think it’s terrible you have to ask three times. I wish you could kick a kid out of class the first time you see him or her on the phone. Let the kids who want to learn, learn, and forget about the rest. In a true emergency, the parent will call the school office.

Right? I only want to teach the easy kids. The hard kids, I don't want to bother with them.

It’s not about easy kids or hard kids, it’s about not taking instructional time away from kids who value receiving an education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Yes it is. You are totally responsible for classroom discipline and ensuring the kid with the phone does not distract other kids from learning.

Some kid quietly scrolling on Instagram is not distracting the kid next to them that actually wants to learn.

You're also responsible for making sure the kid with the phone is learning. Kid's shouldn't have their phones out during instructional time. For their own good as well as their classmates.

And how do you propose we enforce that? We're not allowed to take your kids' phones. We're not allowed to grade on behavior. Your kids know that and they love it!!

Many of us are saying we DO want schools to take the phone away if it is out - either by teacher taking it or by sending kid to the principal to require it to be turned in there. We disagree with schools that do not allow phones to be taken.

I think a lot of teachers would agree that we’d be fine if they put them into a communal area, but we’re not “taking the phones.” We’re not gonna take the responsibility for any theft or damage occurring or a student “claiming” that damage had occurred. I think if students had to go to the office to turn in the phone, it would be incredibly busy for a few days and then it might actually slow down. Although a few students will find any reason to miss instruction, so maybe they will want to go to the office.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oakton HS has no/few lockers to keep a phone in.

My kid said a teacher had a shoe pocket tree on the wall, and if they caught one student with a phone during class, the whole class had to go put their phones up, and if you didn't it was obvious who didn't as each pocket had a name on it for each period.

Next thing you know, some kid “accidentally” takes my kid’s $1,000 Smartphone from the pocket when leaving the period. Hell no. My kid is not putting their equipment in a fu$&ing shoe tree.

This is cute.
I love the idea that this poster wants us to believe he bought his kid a $1,000 cell phone.

You do know how much iPhones cost these days?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oakton HS has no/few lockers to keep a phone in.

My kid said a teacher had a shoe pocket tree on the wall, and if they caught one student with a phone during class, the whole class had to go put their phones up, and if you didn't it was obvious who didn't as each pocket had a name on it for each period.

Next thing you know, some kid “accidentally” takes my kid’s $1,000 Smartphone from the pocket when leaving the period. Hell no. My kid is not putting their equipment in a fu$&ing shoe tree.

Then they should leave it at home. Easy solution.

Nope. They need it for after school. My kid doesn’t abuse their phone and it’s not necessary for them to put it in the communal shoe tree just become some other yahoo in class can’t control themselves. The kid who is using it in class should have to put it in the shoe tree. You don’t punish the entire class for one kid’s behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oakton HS has no/few lockers to keep a phone in.

My kid said a teacher had a shoe pocket tree on the wall, and if they caught one student with a phone during class, the whole class had to go put their phones up, and if you didn't it was obvious who didn't as each pocket had a name on it for each period.

Next thing you know, some kid “accidentally” takes my kid’s $1,000 Smartphone from the pocket when leaving the period. Hell no. My kid is not putting their equipment in a fu$&ing shoe tree.

Then they should leave it at home. Easy solution.

Nope. They need it for after school. My kid doesn’t abuse their phone and it’s not necessary for them to put it in the communal shoe tree just become some other yahoo in class can’t control themselves. The kid who is using it in class should have to put it in the shoe tree. You don’t punish the entire class for one kid’s behavior.

Youngkin has "punished" the entire state.

Complain to him about your choice to get your DC an irreplaceable flagship phone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oakton HS has no/few lockers to keep a phone in.

My kid said a teacher had a shoe pocket tree on the wall, and if they caught one student with a phone during class, the whole class had to go put their phones up, and if you didn't it was obvious who didn't as each pocket had a name on it for each period.

Next thing you know, some kid “accidentally” takes my kid’s $1,000 Smartphone from the pocket when leaving the period. Hell no. My kid is not putting their equipment in a fu$&ing shoe tree.

Then they should leave it at home. Easy solution.

Nope. They need it for after school. My kid doesn’t abuse their phone and it’s not necessary for them to put it in the communal shoe tree just become some other yahoo in class can’t control themselves. The kid who is using it in class should have to put it in the shoe tree. You don’t punish the entire class for one kid’s behavior.

You’ve pretty much explained what’s happening now. If kids don’t have their phone out, then the teacher is not saying anything. But parents shouldn’t assume that the “bad” kids will give up their phone freely. If they don’t, then the teacher is not going to get into a verbal back and forth with them either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oakton HS has no/few lockers to keep a phone in.

My kid said a teacher had a shoe pocket tree on the wall, and if they caught one student with a phone during class, the whole class had to go put their phones up, and if you didn't it was obvious who didn't as each pocket had a name on it for each period.

Next thing you know, some kid “accidentally” takes my kid’s $1,000 Smartphone from the pocket when leaving the period. Hell no. My kid is not putting their equipment in a fu$&ing shoe tree.

Then they should leave it at home. Easy solution.

Nope. They need it for after school. My kid doesn’t abuse their phone and it’s not necessary for them to put it in the communal shoe tree just become some other yahoo in class can’t control themselves. The kid who is using it in class should have to put it in the shoe tree. You don’t punish the entire class for one kid’s behavior.

Just have him do what the other kids do and put his fake phone in the shoe tree.

[Anonymous]

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For one thing, college is voluntary and high school is compulsory.

No it isn't. There is no requirement to attend HS after one's 16th birthday.

Unless you live in Virginia or another state that mandates kids stay in school till their 18th birthday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oakton HS has no/few lockers to keep a phone in.

My kid said a teacher had a shoe pocket tree on the wall, and if they caught one student with a phone during class, the whole class had to go put their phones up, and if you didn't it was obvious who didn't as each pocket had a name on it for each period.

Next thing you know, some kid “accidentally” takes my kid’s $1,000 Smartphone from the pocket when leaving the period. Hell no. My kid is not putting their equipment in a fu$&ing shoe tree.

Then they should leave it at home. Easy solution.

Nope. They need it for after school. My kid doesn’t abuse their phone and it’s not necessary for them to put it in the communal shoe tree just become some other yahoo in class can’t control themselves. The kid who is using it in class should have to put it in the shoe tree. You don’t punish the entire class for one kid’s behavior.

Youngkin has "punished" the entire state.

Complain to him about your choice to get your DC an irreplaceable flagship phone.

For years parents have been complaining on this page about banning cell phones at school; do they not want it anymore?

[Anonymous]

This is great. Equity demands all students get free cell phones. It's basic infrastructure like lights and plumbing.