Vacancies

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Hm, we are at an AAP Center and there are two AAP teacher positions left unfilled.

Interesting. I wonder if the boundary changes and consolidation have anything to do with teacher shortages. I would not be surprised. The situation is pretty bad.

There are no boundary changes around any AAP Center elementary schools right now, stop making things up.

They are making “holistic boundary changes” meaning EVERYONE can be affected. I didn’t take a job here because I like to settle into schools and stay a while. That is not going to happen in FCPS. I would advise any teacher to think before taking a contract especially if you took a contract with FCPS because you like the approach of the principal you interviewed with. Yes, I have written to my school board member to say this and just got a form letter back. Vacancies and boundary changes will definitely be intertwined in a year or two if they aren’t already. there is a drastic change to the economy, things will be bad

Teacher here. I am all for holistic boundary changes as there are many under enrolled schools next to over enrolled schools. I do feel that every school should have an apartment complex or lower income housing to bring more diversity to schools. It will also help balance the needs of a school. I don’t think they can force teachers to move unless they are destaffed. Many factors go into someone choosing where to teach such as time, commute, admin. With collective bargaining happening, it won’t happen.

This happened when a new development was put up in our school boundary. I noticed that a good number of the kids that lived in that development often had behavioral issues. The teachers didn't really know how to deal with some of these kids and they were very distracting to have in class. I think that the idea is to balance out the school but it doesn't always work out that way.

Let me guess, you are at an al white & asian school and you are appalled that some hispanic kids showed up. Oh no, not the brown and black kids!!! They are tainting your perfect angel school!!!

This was not the case. You must be a racist for thinking that behavior problems is specifically for the people you mentioned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There aren't nearly as many vacancies as there have been the last few years. Stop with the drama.

+1 sick of the drama around vacancies that crops up every year at the same time predictably. And cue the posts about how all the good teachers are snapped up at trans fair and in place before the summer and if your school doesn’t have everyone hired by then they are screwed. Hint: there’s a reason they are transferring or maybe they got destaffed or traded. Somehow life manages to go on come fall and it all works out.

Boohoo for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There aren't nearly as many vacancies as there have been the last few years. Stop with the drama.

+1 sick of the drama around vacancies that crops up every year at the same time predictably. And cue the posts about how all the good teachers are snapped up at trans fair and in place before the summer and if your school doesn’t have everyone hired by then they are screwed. Hint: there’s a reason they are transferring or maybe they got destaffed or traded. Somehow life manages to go on come fall and it all works out.

Oh look the NAVY sub/mom returned It's not baseball honey teachers don't get traded. Life will go on....but depending who is teaching your kids-it might be a rough life. But you are correct there is nothing you can do but get those tutors ready.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There aren't nearly as many vacancies as there have been the last few years. Stop with the drama.

+1 sick of the drama around vacancies that crops up every year at the same time predictably. And cue the posts about how all the good teachers are snapped up at trans fair and in place before the summer and if your school doesn’t have everyone hired by then they are screwed. Hint: there’s a reason they are transferring or maybe they got destaffed or traded. Somehow life manages to go on come fall and it all works out.

Oh look the NAVY sub/mom returned It's not baseball honey teachers don't get traded. Life will go on....but depending who is teaching your kids-it might be a rough life. But you are correct there is nothing you can do but get those tutors ready.

+1 what she said.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t we just go without those positions. If it’s a Gen Ed position, the other Gen Ed teachers in that grade or content level simply have bigger classes to absorb the students that teacher would’ve theoretically taught. If it’s an EL position, the kids who need El support in their class may not have an EL teacher to do that. If it’s a sped position, the same. It creates issues with class size, staff workload, and student support, but you can’t make people take these jobs and fewer and fewer people want them.

Also, as a general rule, the later in the year that someone is hired, the greater the likelihood they are not a great candidate. The good people are snatched up early when hiring begins. If someone is getting hired in July/August, it’s usually a “there aren’t any other options” situation where the school needs a body and hopes for the best. There’s some exceptions to this, like someone happens to just move to this area in late summer and they’re really good, but generally speaking, the last minute fill-ins for these jobs leave something to be desired.

How would they do that if classes are already maxed out? For example, let's say "County Middle School" should have three Civics teachers, but they have an unfilled vacancy. Teacher #1 already has 150 students, Teacher #2 already has 150 students, and the vacancy should have 150 students. If they tried to split those 150 students between the other two teachers, they'd have 225 students each. Even if they both get put on extended contracts (teaching six classes rather than five), that would still make each class have 35-38 students. That's outrageous.

I’m gonna hold your hand when I say this. There is no real “maxed out.” You would have a class of 35 students.

They have to pay an additional stipend if a core teacher teaches more than 150 students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t we just go without those positions. If it’s a Gen Ed position, the other Gen Ed teachers in that grade or content level simply have bigger classes to absorb the students that teacher would’ve theoretically taught. If it’s an EL position, the kids who need El support in their class may not have an EL teacher to do that. If it’s a sped position, the same. It creates issues with class size, staff workload, and student support, but you can’t make people take these jobs and fewer and fewer people want them.

Also, as a general rule, the later in the year that someone is hired, the greater the likelihood they are not a great candidate. The good people are snatched up early when hiring begins. If someone is getting hired in July/August, it’s usually a “there aren’t any other options” situation where the school needs a body and hopes for the best. There’s some exceptions to this, like someone happens to just move to this area in late summer and they’re really good, but generally speaking, the last minute fill-ins for these jobs leave something to be desired.

How would they do that if classes are already maxed out? For example, let's say "County Middle School" should have three Civics teachers, but they have an unfilled vacancy. Teacher #1 already has 150 students, Teacher #2 already has 150 students, and the vacancy should have 150 students. If they tried to split those 150 students between the other two teachers, they'd have 225 students each. Even if they both get put on extended contracts (teaching six classes rather than five), that would still make each class have 35-38 students. That's outrageous.

I’m gonna hold your hand when I say this. There is no real “maxed out.” You would have a class of 35 students.

+1, VA class size limits (per state regulations) are for K-6, not middle school.

English classes also arent supposed to have more than 25 students, but they always do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t we just go without those positions. If it’s a Gen Ed position, the other Gen Ed teachers in that grade or content level simply have bigger classes to absorb the students that teacher would’ve theoretically taught. If it’s an EL position, the kids who need El support in their class may not have an EL teacher to do that. If it’s a sped position, the same. It creates issues with class size, staff workload, and student support, but you can’t make people take these jobs and fewer and fewer people want them.

Also, as a general rule, the later in the year that someone is hired, the greater the likelihood they are not a great candidate. The good people are snatched up early when hiring begins. If someone is getting hired in July/August, it’s usually a “there aren’t any other options” situation where the school needs a body and hopes for the best. There’s some exceptions to this, like someone happens to just move to this area in late summer and they’re really good, but generally speaking, the last minute fill-ins for these jobs leave something to be desired.

How would they do that if classes are already maxed out? For example, let's say "County Middle School" should have three Civics teachers, but they have an unfilled vacancy. Teacher #1 already has 150 students, Teacher #2 already has 150 students, and the vacancy should have 150 students. If they tried to split those 150 students between the other two teachers, they'd have 225 students each. Even if they both get put on extended contracts (teaching six classes rather than five), that would still make each class have 35-38 students. That's outrageous.

I’m gonna hold your hand when I say this. There is no real “maxed out.” You would have a class of 35 students.

They have to pay an additional stipend if a core teacher teaches more than 150 students.

okayyyy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There aren't nearly as many vacancies as there have been the last few years. Stop with the drama.

+1 sick of the drama around vacancies that crops up every year at the same time predictably. And cue the posts about how all the good teachers are snapped up at trans fair and in place before the summer and if your school doesn’t have everyone hired by then they are screwed. Hint: there’s a reason they are transferring or maybe they got destaffed or traded. Somehow life manages to go on come fall and it all works out.

Oh look the NAVY sub/mom returned It's not baseball honey teachers don't get traded. Life will go on....but depending who is teaching your kids-it might be a rough life. But you are correct there is nothing you can do but get those tutors ready.

I’m very worried about you. You seem to have an odd fascination with Navy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There aren't nearly as many vacancies as there have been the last few years. Stop with the drama.

+1 sick of the drama around vacancies that crops up every year at the same time predictably. And cue the posts about how all the good teachers are snapped up at trans fair and in place before the summer and if your school doesn’t have everyone hired by then they are screwed. Hint: there’s a reason they are transferring or maybe they got destaffed or traded. Somehow life manages to go on come fall and it all works out.

Oh look the NAVY sub/mom returned It's not baseball honey teachers don't get traded. Life will go on....but depending who is teaching your kids-it might be a rough life. But you are correct there is nothing you can do but get those tutors ready.

If you only knew…principals can absolutely ask a favor of another principal to pick that teacher up if they want to get rid of them. Like in the case of a teacher who gets bad evaluations and is at trans fair - the principal who interviewed the teacher will call the former principal and ask what the deal is. The principal will tell them and often as a favor the new principal will take the bad teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There aren't nearly as many vacancies as there have been the last few years. Stop with the drama.

+1 sick of the drama around vacancies that crops up every year at the same time predictably. And cue the posts about how all the good teachers are snapped up at trans fair and in place before the summer and if your school doesn’t have everyone hired by then they are screwed. Hint: there’s a reason they are transferring or maybe they got destaffed or traded. Somehow life manages to go on come fall and it all works out.

Oh look the NAVY sub/mom returned It's not baseball honey teachers don't get traded. Life will go on....but depending who is teaching your kids-it might be a rough life. But you are correct there is nothing you can do but get those tutors ready.

I’m very worried about you. You seem to have an odd fascination with Navy.

There are several wacky navy obsessed posters on here that get really worked up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There aren't nearly as many vacancies as there have been the last few years. Stop with the drama.

+1 sick of the drama around vacancies that crops up every year at the same time predictably. And cue the posts about how all the good teachers are snapped up at trans fair and in place before the summer and if your school doesn’t have everyone hired by then they are screwed. Hint: there’s a reason they are transferring or maybe they got destaffed or traded. Somehow life manages to go on come fall and it all works out.

Oh look the NAVY sub/mom returned It's not baseball honey teachers don't get traded. Life will go on....but depending who is teaching your kids-it might be a rough life. But you are correct there is nothing you can do but get those tutors ready.

I’m very worried about you. You seem to have an odd fascination with Navy.

There are several wacky navy obsessed posters on here that get really worked up

+1 yes and they seem to infiltrate multiple threads. Lol.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t we just go without those positions. If it’s a Gen Ed position, the other Gen Ed teachers in that grade or content level simply have bigger classes to absorb the students that teacher would’ve theoretically taught. If it’s an EL position, the kids who need El support in their class may not have an EL teacher to do that. If it’s a sped position, the same. It creates issues with class size, staff workload, and student support, but you can’t make people take these jobs and fewer and fewer people want them.

Also, as a general rule, the later in the year that someone is hired, the greater the likelihood they are not a great candidate. The good people are snatched up early when hiring begins. If someone is getting hired in July/August, it’s usually a “there aren’t any other options” situation where the school needs a body and hopes for the best. There’s some exceptions to this, like someone happens to just move to this area in late summer and they’re really good, but generally speaking, the last minute fill-ins for these jobs leave something to be desired.

How would they do that if classes are already maxed out? For example, let's say "County Middle School" should have three Civics teachers, but they have an unfilled vacancy. Teacher #1 already has 150 students, Teacher #2 already has 150 students, and the vacancy should have 150 students. If they tried to split those 150 students between the other two teachers, they'd have 225 students each. Even if they both get put on extended contracts (teaching six classes rather than five), that would still make each class have 35-38 students. That's outrageous.

I’m gonna hold your hand when I say this. There is no real “maxed out.” You would have a class of 35 students.

They have to pay an additional stipend if a core teacher teaches more than 150 students.

okayyyy.

Why are you responding that way? It's in the contract.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they don’t we just go without those positions. If it’s a Gen Ed position, the other Gen Ed teachers in that grade or content level simply have bigger classes to absorb the students that teacher would’ve theoretically taught. If it’s an EL position, the kids who need El support in their class may not have an EL teacher to do that. If it’s a sped position, the same. It creates issues with class size, staff workload, and student support, but you can’t make people take these jobs and fewer and fewer people want them.

Also, as a general rule, the later in the year that someone is hired, the greater the likelihood they are not a great candidate. The good people are snatched up early when hiring begins. If someone is getting hired in July/August, it’s usually a “there aren’t any other options” situation where the school needs a body and hopes for the best. There’s some exceptions to this, like someone happens to just move to this area in late summer and they’re really good, but generally speaking, the last minute fill-ins for these jobs leave something to be desired.

How would they do that if classes are already maxed out? For example, let's say "County Middle School" should have three Civics teachers, but they have an unfilled vacancy. Teacher #1 already has 150 students, Teacher #2 already has 150 students, and the vacancy should have 150 students. If they tried to split those 150 students between the other two teachers, they'd have 225 students each. Even if they both get put on extended contracts (teaching six classes rather than five), that would still make each class have 35-38 students. That's outrageous.

I’m gonna hold your hand when I say this. There is no real “maxed out.” You would have a class of 35 students.

They have to pay an additional stipend if a core teacher teaches more than 150 students.

okayyyy.

Why are you responding that way? It's in the contract.

That doesn’t mean it actually happens. The only time I’ve seen anyone get a Jefferson contract, which is the stipend you’re referring to, is when the additional students mean there’s a 6th section of classes, which takes away one planning period. Then they get the 20% stipend. Those are RARE. Admin will do anything to not have to give someone a Jefferson. Just having a high number of students in the normal number of sections? You are not getting extra $.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There aren't nearly as many vacancies as there have been the last few years. Stop with the drama.

+1 sick of the drama around vacancies that crops up every year at the same time predictably. And cue the posts about how all the good teachers are snapped up at trans fair and in place before the summer and if your school doesn’t have everyone hired by then they are screwed. Hint: there’s a reason they are transferring or maybe they got destaffed or traded. Somehow life manages to go on come fall and it all works out.

Oh look the NAVY sub/mom returned It's not baseball honey teachers don't get traded. Life will go on....but depending who is teaching your kids-it might be a rough life. But you are correct there is nothing you can do but get those tutors ready.

I’m very worried about you. You seem to have an odd fascination with Navy.

LOL sure Jan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they don’t we just go without those positions. If it’s a Gen Ed position, the other Gen Ed teachers in that grade or content level simply have bigger classes to absorb the students that teacher would’ve theoretically taught. If it’s an EL position, the kids who need El support in their class may not have an EL teacher to do that. If it’s a sped position, the same. It creates issues with class size, staff workload, and student support, but you can’t make people take these jobs and fewer and fewer people want them.

Also, as a general rule, the later in the year that someone is hired, the greater the likelihood they are not a great candidate. The good people are snatched up early when hiring begins. If someone is getting hired in July/August, it’s usually a “there aren’t any other options” situation where the school needs a body and hopes for the best. There’s some exceptions to this, like someone happens to just move to this area in late summer and they’re really good, but generally speaking, the last minute fill-ins for these jobs leave something to be desired.

How would they do that if classes are already maxed out? For example, let's say "County Middle School" should have three Civics teachers, but they have an unfilled vacancy. Teacher #1 already has 150 students, Teacher #2 already has 150 students, and the vacancy should have 150 students. If they tried to split those 150 students between the other two teachers, they'd have 225 students each. Even if they both get put on extended contracts (teaching six classes rather than five), that would still make each class have 35-38 students. That's outrageous.

I’m gonna hold your hand when I say this. There is no real “maxed out.” You would have a class of 35 students.

+1, VA class size limits (per state regulations) are for K-6, not middle school.

English classes also arent supposed to have more than 25 students, but they always do.

"(iv) 24 to one in English classes in grades six through 12. After September 30 of any school year, anytime the number of students in a class exceeds the class size limit established by this subsection, the local school division shall notify the parent of each student in such class of such fact no later than 10 days after the date on which the class exceeded the class size limit. Such notification shall state the reason that the class size exceeds the class size limit and describe the measures that the local school division will take to reduce the class size to comply with this subsection."

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title22.1/chapter13.2/section22.1-253.13:2/

I've never received the notification.