anyone know about the "Virginia Valor Fathers Day Fiesta" or the "FPYC Fathers Day Tournament"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should try and get individual rec teams to sign up. Loudoun has an in house soccer tournament the week before all-stars and gets 4-8 teams per age group to pay $300.

They are charging way more than that

Just looked it up, $600 yikes
The Alexandria fall rec tournament charged half that.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone have a dc whose team is playing in this tournament?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our rec basketball all stars is just one extra game for fun. No big deal.

Yep this is what our league does. My child’s coach last year had the players vote on who should play in the game. I thought that was really cool

That would be great if all star soccer built their teams like that. Teams getting an equal number of players that their teammates voted in would remove the doubt and bs. It would also result in better stronger teams.

All star soccer = coach's kid and their two closest friends. It doesn't matter if they are popular or if they are skilled. That's who gets in at CYA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The combined ages are ugly, an all one year team playing all one year older teams, yeah not pretty

The kids (ok really their parents) WANT to do this. They want to show up. Right now there is a U8 all stars team playing in the U9 age bracket.

The schedule posted is from last year. There will be even fewer teams this year because it was so bad last year, orgs like Herndon and CYA are going back to FPYC.

Can't even wrap my brain around the travel team from Puerto Rico. Their families must have spent so much money to travel here. They were done dirty.

CYA IS Valor. Can they really bow out of the Valor tournament when they partially fund it?

[Anonymous]

CYA doesn't fund Valor. Valor exists because the dudes in charge wanted to pay themselves a lot more and charge a lot more than "community travel soccer rates" and keep from sharing the profits with the larger CYA rec org, so they created a financially separate non profit. They happily use CYA's assets like field space and mailing lists for free though.

Maybe the CYA All Star coaches refused to coach if they returned to the same bad tournament.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand the point of this tournament. Why compete directly with an established tournament and charge more?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CYA doesn't fund Valor. Valor exists because the dudes in charge wanted to pay themselves a lot more and charge a lot more than "community travel soccer rates" and keep from sharing the profits with the larger CYA rec org, so they created a financially separate non profit. They happily use CYA's assets like field space and mailing lists for free though.

Maybe the CYA All Star coaches refused to coach if they returned to the same bad tournament.

The cya all star coaches are just some volunteer dudes happy to be there. They're not real coaches with any influence or pull to demand anything from anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our rec basketball all stars is just one extra game for fun. No big deal.

Yep this is what our league does. My child’s coach last year had the players vote on who should play in the game. I thought that was really cool

That would be great if all star soccer built their teams like that. Teams getting an equal number of players that their teammates voted in would remove the doubt and bs. It would also result in better stronger teams.

All star soccer = coach's kid and their two closest friends. It doesn't matter if they are popular or if they are skilled. That's who gets in at CYA.

Sometimes even more than just 2 friends. Some coaches field the whole team with his DC's friends and leaves other out of the process team making process. Then lose every season and wonder why. Valor and CYA deserve each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the point of this tournament. Why compete directly with an established tournament and charge more?

They are losing players on their travel teams. Just look at the Valor thread. They are trying to make up revenue elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The combined ages are ugly, an all one year team playing all one year older teams, yeah not pretty

The kids (ok really their parents) WANT to do this. They want to show up. Right now there is a U8 all stars team playing in the U9 age bracket.

The schedule posted is from last year. There will be even fewer teams this year because it was so bad last year, orgs like Herndon and CYA are going back to FPYC.

Can't even wrap my brain around the travel team from Puerto Rico. Their families must have spent so much money to travel here. They were done dirty.

CYA IS Valor. Can they really bow out of the Valor tournament when they partially fund it?

I think CYA and SYA are forced to participate in it. After all Valor is their creation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The combined ages are ugly, an all one year team playing all one year older teams, yeah not pretty

The kids (ok really their parents) WANT to do this. They want to show up. Right now there is a U8 all stars team playing in the U9 age bracket.

The schedule posted is from last year. There will be even fewer teams this year because it was so bad last year, orgs like Herndon and CYA are going back to FPYC.

Can't even wrap my brain around the travel team from Puerto Rico. Their families must have spent so much money to travel here. They were done dirty.

CYA IS Valor. Can they really bow out of the Valor tournament when they partially fund it?

I think CYA and SYA are forced to participate in it. After all Valor is their creation.

You have it reversed, Valor split off on purpose as a separate nonprofit from the rec leagues (which are big community rec leagues that run lots of different sports) in order to be able to pay themselves more, charge more in fees, and not share any profits with CYA and SYA. However, the professional employees who are paid to run rec soccer for CYA are also paid separately on the side by Valor, so alot of their decisions put Valor interests above the interests of the rec league players. So Valor wanted to capture the all star fees from our CYA rec players by holding their own bad tournament and CYA soccer said sure who cares its just rec soccer. That's why the fees are so much higher than FPYC-they are getting guaranteed customers so why not gowge them. (If Valor was running this tournament to benefit the rec kids, wouldn't the CYA teams be playing for free instead of paying $600+ per team?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The combined ages are ugly, an all one year team playing all one year older teams, yeah not pretty

The kids (ok really their parents) WANT to do this. They want to show up. Right now there is a U8 all stars team playing in the U9 age bracket.

The schedule posted is from last year. There will be even fewer teams this year because it was so bad last year, orgs like Herndon and CYA are going back to FPYC.

Can't even wrap my brain around the travel team from Puerto Rico. Their families must have spent so much money to travel here. They were done dirty.

CYA IS Valor. Can they really bow out of the Valor tournament when they partially fund it?

I think CYA and SYA are forced to participate in it. After all Valor is their creation.

You have it reversed, Valor split off on purpose as a separate nonprofit from the rec leagues (which are big community rec leagues that run lots of different sports) in order to be able to pay themselves more, charge more in fees, and not share any profits with CYA and SYA. However, the professional employees who are paid to run rec soccer for CYA are also paid separately on the side by Valor, so alot of their decisions put Valor interests above the interests of the rec league players. So Valor wanted to capture the all star fees from our CYA rec players by holding their own bad tournament and CYA soccer said sure who cares its just rec soccer. That's why the fees are so much higher than FPYC-they are getting guaranteed customers so why not gowge them. (If Valor was running this tournament to benefit the rec kids, wouldn't the CYA teams be playing for free instead of paying $600+ per team?)

That's some high level conspiracy stuff for me. That's a lot to process.

This is what I know. CYA stinks. Valor stinks. They deserve each other. The end. See you all south of the border mochachos!

[Anonymous]

How lucrative are these tournaments?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: How lucrative are these tournaments?

If they are charging $600 a team, very lucrative. The only costs would be referees and any admin costs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: How lucrative are these tournaments?

If they are charging $600 a team, very lucrative. The only costs would be referees and any admin costs.

They can charge $600 a team but if only 2 teams show up…