Birth rate plummets

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes, most of you have way too much anxiety. No wonder the kids are so anxious and depressed. Repeat after me. You live in the most prosperous community that has ever existed in human history. If you cannot find a way to have a child that you want in this society, then it's not our country that is the problem (and I'm not saying country is perfect). It's you.

For those who don't want kids, great. Don't have them. It is the people who claim they would love kids but just can't because of x,y,z.

“Yikes, some of you have way too little empathy.”

Global warming isn’t going to spare the US, and just because you’re fat and happy, figuratively speaking, doesn’t mean everyone is. Again, many people are essentially barely surviving despite having done everything “right.” My husband and I did everything right and have a comfortable result, but we understand the enormous luck that we got at various points. I understand that our fellow millennials aren’t all equally situated.

Grow a clue, in other words.

Hahaha

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The U.S. is intentionally an incredibly hostile place to raise children and then wrings its hands over the unwillingness of people to raise children.

In countries that bend over backwards to accommodate/subsidize raising children are seeing the same trend. Stop bashing the US.

+100

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The U.S. is intentionally an incredibly hostile place to raise children and then wrings its hands over the unwillingness of people to raise children.

+1
I cannot fathom how people are making ends meet. Childcare is exorbitant and frequently, not especially high quality for the money.

There is no correlation birth rates in places admired by leftists like the Nordics are just as low if not lower than the US.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Becsuse it costs $3-4000 per mo for daycare, college tuition now almost runs $100k/year, homes cost almost $500k, a minivan for the kids costs $50k, healthcare sucks and bankrupts people, and oh yeah, even afyer paying all of that you're also still expected to save for retirement and pay off your own student loans.


Having children is the biggest financial disaster of a decision one can make.

+1 I think the economic factors are what prevent people from having more kids. They stop at 1, whereas if they were boomers or older Gen X in the 80s/90s they would have had 2 or 3. Economic factors also means that people get started having kids later because they just aren’t stable enough financially in their mid 20s, which also limits fertility because you just run out of time to expand your family.

You can think whatever you want, but polling says otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately, for the progressives, conservatives have a lot more kids. This trend holds within communities and across different density levels. So the conservative people are likely to inherit the earth in the long-run.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes, most of you have way too much anxiety. No wonder the kids are so anxious and depressed. Repeat after me. You live in the most prosperous community that has ever existed in human history. If you cannot find a way to have a child that you want in this society, then it's not our country that is the problem (and I'm not saying country is perfect). It's you.

For those who don't want kids, great. Don't have them. It is the people who claim they would love kids but just can't because of x,y,z.

“Yikes, some of you have way too little empathy.”

Global warming isn’t going to spare the US, and just because you’re fat and happy, figuratively speaking, doesn’t mean everyone is. Again, many people are essentially barely surviving despite having done everything “right.” My husband and I did everything right and have a comfortable result, but we understand the enormous luck that we got at various points. I understand that our fellow millennials aren’t all equally situated.

Grow a clue, in other words.

Hahaha

Interestingly enough, global warming will actually benefit some countries by shifting mean temperatures closer to the optimal levels for GDP growth. https://web.stanford.edu/~mburke/climate/map.php
The US is probably not one of them, but there can be some relocation to more northern areas to mitigate the damage. Countries close to the equator are screwed though, their economies will collapse as it becomes to hot to be livable.

[Anonymous]

As the planet struggles and our late capitalism model of endless consumption finds its natural end, people will have children again because it will be economically necessary.

That could be 100 year away or 10. Beats me.

Pretty sure banning abortion will just make people avoid sex all together.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all you saying that having kids is selfish, that is only true on a social levels, perhaps, if you are obsessed about global warming. On a personal level, in terms of personal growth and development, having kids is absolutely a lesson in humility and self sacrifice. I can't think of anything else more selfless than everything we parents do for our kids on a daily basis.

But us is still all about how you feel in the end. That is the definition of selfishness.

I don't think you understand what selfish means. It's not all about feelings. Real love is never selfish, and the act of parenting is a crash course on the meaning of love.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of factors.

Women wanting a career more than a family.
Young people not wanting to marry let alone start a family.
Young people more interested in social media than actual human contact.
Egocentricity - more concerned with one's own needs and not wanting to worry about the needs of another.
The economy and unwillingness to sacrifice luxuries for the benefit of another.

The world does not need more humans. Having a baby is selfish and done to fulfill one's self. You are not making some grand sacrifice for the world, this is about you and yours.

If everyone stopped having babies, humans would cease to exist. Seems that is what you want.
Despite your beliefs, having children is a sacrifice. It is also a blessing and an experience so rewarding that those who choose to not have children will never experience.

Okay, so it's a sacrifice, but it's also "a blessing and an experience so rewarding." Sounds like you think this blessing and rewarding experience is a terrific benefit to you overall. Great. Go for it. But that's not a grand sacrifice overall that you are doing to benefit humanity instead of yourself. You just contradicted that.

Oh, please. Any parent who tells you that they did not make sacrifices to have children are just lying or are not very good parents.
And, how do you know that one of the children that I gave birth to and sacrificed for is not the next Einstein or Mother Theresa?
There is no contradiction to saying that having kids is both a sacrifice and a blessing and rewarding experience.
You don't want kids? Fine. Don't have them. But, don't go around criticizing others for wanting the joy of having a family.

Oh, why oh why does it not surprise me that you posit this. What a joke.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes, most of you have way too much anxiety. No wonder the kids are so anxious and depressed. Repeat after me. You live in the most prosperous community that has ever existed in human history. If you cannot find a way to have a child that you want in this society, then it's not our country that is the problem (and I'm not saying country is perfect). It's you.

For those who don't want kids, great. Don't have them. It is the people who claim they would love kids but just can't because of x,y,z.

“Yikes, some of you have way too little empathy.”

Global warming isn’t going to spare the US, and just because you’re fat and happy, figuratively speaking, doesn’t mean everyone is. Again, many people are essentially barely surviving despite having done everything “right.” My husband and I did everything right and have a comfortable result, but we understand the enormous luck that we got at various points. I understand that our fellow millennials aren’t all equally situated.

Grow a clue, in other words.

You do realize each generation has faced some major scare right? All this obsession with all the ways the world will fall apart is causing major depression among teenage girls. Stop passing down your anxiety people! Worry about the things you can control. Be good people, be kind, make your corner of the world a better place because of your existence. Why is that not enough? Have children not because you feel forced to but because it teaches you about love in a way no other experience can. If all our children face a harsher life, so be it. They will still be able to find much happiness, just like every generation before us. If we all die in 100 years, so be it, if we've lived good lives. Nothing lasts forever anyways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For all you saying that having kids is selfish, that is only true on a social levels, perhaps, if you are obsessed about global warming. On a personal level, in terms of personal growth and development, having kids is absolutely a lesson in humility and self sacrifice. I can't think of anything else more selfless than everything we parents do for our kids on a daily basis.

And exceedingly humble, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, for the progressives, conservatives have a lot more kids. This trend holds within communities and across different density levels. So the conservative people are likely to inherit the earth in the long-run.

Conservatives give birth to liberals.
They aren’t clones, they’re kids

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For all you saying that having kids is selfish, that is only true on a social levels, perhaps, if you are obsessed about global warming. On a personal level, in terms of personal growth and development, having kids is absolutely a lesson in humility and self sacrifice. I can't think of anything else more selfless than everything we parents do for our kids on a daily basis.

But us is still all about how you feel in the end. That is the definition of selfishness.

I don't think you understand what selfish means. It's not all about feelings. Real love is never selfish, and the act of parenting is a crash course on the meaning of love.

Dp- no one gives AF about how much you love your kids and how that makes you a superior person. We care about the carbon your kids create. We care about the waste they produce. We care about the water and food they consume. Having more than one kid is selfish and irresponsible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of factors.

Women wanting a career more than a family.
Young people not wanting to marry let alone start a family.
Young people more interested in social media than actual human contact.
Egocentricity - more concerned with one's own needs and not wanting to worry about the needs of another.
The economy and unwillingness to sacrifice luxuries for the benefit of another.

The world does not need more humans. Having a baby is selfish and done to fulfill one's self. You are not making some grand sacrifice for the world, this is about you and yours.

If everyone stopped having babies, humans would cease to exist. Seems that is what you want.
Despite your beliefs, having children is a sacrifice. It is also a blessing and an experience so rewarding that those who choose to not have children will never experience.

Okay, so it's a sacrifice, but it's also "a blessing and an experience so rewarding." Sounds like you think this blessing and rewarding experience is a terrific benefit to you overall. Great. Go for it. But that's not a grand sacrifice overall that you are doing to benefit humanity instead of yourself. You just contradicted that.

Oh, please. Any parent who tells you that they did not make sacrifices to have children are just lying or are not very good parents.
And, how do you know that one of the children that I gave birth to and sacrificed for is not the next Einstein or Mother Theresa?
There is no contradiction to saying that having kids is both a sacrifice and a blessing and rewarding experience.
You don't want kids? Fine. Don't have them. But, don't go around criticizing others for wanting the joy of having a family.

Or the next Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, for the progressives, conservatives have a lot more kids. This trend holds within communities and across different density levels. So the conservative people are likely to inherit the earth in the long-run.

Conservatives give birth to liberals.
They aren’t clones, they’re kids

The heritability of political views is 30-50%. Over time this trend will make the average person more politically conservative. People are not clones, but parents transmit political tendencies to their offspring that shift the probability of having certain political views.