Williams or Princeton?

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I know tons of people who didn’t make it.

DP, also Princeton alum. I know many who didn’t make it as well.

The shame is at a less rigorous school they probably would have been fine. The rigor is intense.

According to studies, the failure rate for organic chemistry classes nationwide is roughly 25-50%. Organic chemistry is considered a difficult class at, among other schools, Williams: see https://wso.williams.edu/wiki/index.php/Hard_classes#Organic_Chemistry

I think some at Ivies expect to sail through all their courses and treat any setbacks as unfair, but the point of going to an Ivy shouldn't be to be completely insulated from the challenges that students face at other universities. As a general matter, grade inflation is higher at Ivies than at many other schools.

Thus is just incorrect, Princeton stem doesn’t have the grade inflation you’ll find at Harvard or Yale. My child is pre med and currently taking orgo at a non-Ivy. Yes, there are kids not passing the course but most kids are scoring in the 70s and above. Her friends at Princeton reported a class average of 30 something in a regular chem class test this fall, and lower than that for Calc 1. It’s several orders of magnitude more difficult grading than STEM at peer schools.

I got a 40% on the first quiz in my Econ 101 class at Princeton and still got an A in the class. It was a test to let us know that we should stay on top of the course work or we'd fall behind later when it mattered more.

Class average and you having a bad test are different, no?

No, the class average on the first quiz was low, but we learned how to raise our game.

This notion that Princeton is exponential more difficult than other top schools is a load of bullshit.

Weird because that isn’t what I hear from current and past STEM students. In any case, it’s just a consideration for op and her student to explore, not a debate point.

Strange because you haven’t said much previously that would suggest current and past STEM students would go out of their way to confide in you.

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Anonymous wrote:

I know tons of people who didn’t make it.

DP, also Princeton alum. I know many who didn’t make it as well.

The shame is at a less rigorous school they probably would have been fine. The rigor is intense.

According to studies, the failure rate for organic chemistry classes nationwide is roughly 25-50%. Organic chemistry is considered a difficult class at, among other schools, Williams: see https://wso.williams.edu/wiki/index.php/Hard_classes#Organic_Chemistry

I think some at Ivies expect to sail through all their courses and treat any setbacks as unfair, but the point of going to an Ivy shouldn't be to be completely insulated from the challenges that students face at other universities. As a general matter, grade inflation is higher at Ivies than at many other schools.

Thus is just incorrect, Princeton stem doesn’t have the grade inflation you’ll find at Harvard or Yale. My child is pre med and currently taking orgo at a non-Ivy. Yes, there are kids not passing the course but most kids are scoring in the 70s and above. Her friends at Princeton reported a class average of 30 something in a regular chem class test this fall, and lower than that for Calc 1. It’s several orders of magnitude more difficult grading than STEM at peer schools.

The class is curved, so grade deflation would only occur if they grade along a tougher curve.

The average in the class sets the curve. I gather any kid scoring say a 40 got an A.

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Anonymous wrote:

I know tons of people who didn’t make it.

DP, also Princeton alum. I know many who didn’t make it as well.

The shame is at a less rigorous school they probably would have been fine. The rigor is intense.

According to studies, the failure rate for organic chemistry classes nationwide is roughly 25-50%. Organic chemistry is considered a difficult class at, among other schools, Williams: see https://wso.williams.edu/wiki/index.php/Hard_classes#Organic_Chemistry

I think some at Ivies expect to sail through all their courses and treat any setbacks as unfair, but the point of going to an Ivy shouldn't be to be completely insulated from the challenges that students face at other universities. As a general matter, grade inflation is higher at Ivies than at many other schools.

Thus is just incorrect, Princeton stem doesn’t have the grade inflation you’ll find at Harvard or Yale. My child is pre med and currently taking orgo at a non-Ivy. Yes, there are kids not passing the course but most kids are scoring in the 70s and above. Her friends at Princeton reported a class average of 30 something in a regular chem class test this fall, and lower than that for Calc 1. It’s several orders of magnitude more difficult grading than STEM at peer schools.

I got a 40% on the first quiz in my Econ 101 class at Princeton and still got an A in the class. It was a test to let us know that we should stay on top of the course work or we'd fall behind later when it mattered more.

Class average and you having a bad test are different, no?

No, the class average on the first quiz was low, but we learned how to raise our game.

This notion that Princeton is exponential more difficult than other top schools is a load of bullshit.

Weird because that isn’t what I hear from current and past STEM students. In any case, it’s just a consideration for op and her student to explore, not a debate point.

Strange because you haven’t said much previously that would suggest current and past STEM students would go out of their way to confide in you.

If your trying to sound like a pompous ass, declare success.