Petworth

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Anonymous wrote:I've lived in Petworth since 2001. Raised my children here (lotteried into WOTP schools, although I see more and more neighborhood folks walking their kids to local schools each morning). Crime, while not great, is not the hellscape some try to describe. It's a great neighborhood that is accessible to other parts of the city and it's easy to get into Maryland

You’re likely just used to the crime. ANY shootings in a residential neighborhood is unacceptable and not a place to raise a family. There is notably higher crime in Petworth and anyone choosing to live there has either low standards or is delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:We live in petworth!
Both attorneys with kids at the local public. We're in our 30s and 40s. We love it here. I've been here since my 20s, so I've lived in Petworth for 15 years in all life stages.

Same here! Plenty of government attorneys/other feds with kids in the local elementary schools. Middle and high school not so much, but people figure it out.

To answer PP our house has doubled in value over the last 12 years, and the market is slowing like everywhere, but we don't plan on selling (if we moved, we'd rent it out). That said, buying a decade ago then refinancing and buying today at today's rates are apples and oranges. If my mortgage was $6-7k a month, I wouldn't want to be somewhere I'd have to "figure out" middle school.

Most people do not send their kids to the local school in Petworth. I live in Petworth and only know one neighbor that send their kids to the local elementary school. Everyone else send it to charters or private. data of where kids go to school showed a participation rate of around 35% in Petworth schools.

My kids are in a Petworth DCPS, but not our IB. There are many OOB high SES families like us that are in the neighborhood (within a 10 min drive or so), but not the "local school." Still plenty of kids at DCI feeders, but many more families sticking with DCPS through elementary than 7-10 years ago. Despite middle school concerns, we turned down DCB and MV for second grade because the academics at our DCPS are stronger.

Not really according to these data: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1110151.page

You’re making my point. The IB participation rate is lower than the neighborhood participation rate. Kids that are a 10 minute walk from school but OOB aren’t showing in that data (unless you want to show me where). It doesn’t mean that kids aren’t staying local and using neighborhood schools. They’re just not the zoned neighborhood school. Out of my third grader’s closest friends, 3 are IB and 3 (her included) within 1-2 miles away and OOB. I’m telling you how my kids’ classrooms are.

The last column data tells you where kids from X school are going instead of their IB. Sure you can see few DCPS, but most of them are going to charter schools. Data do not include kids in private school, which will make the % even lower.

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Anonymous wrote:I've lived in Petworth since 2001. Raised my children here (lotteried into WOTP schools, although I see more and more neighborhood folks walking their kids to local schools each morning). Crime, while not great, is not the hellscape some try to describe. It's a great neighborhood that is accessible to other parts of the city and it's easy to get into Maryland

You’re likely just used to the crime. ANY shootings in a residential neighborhood is unacceptable and not a place to raise a family. There is notably higher crime in Petworth and anyone choosing to live there has either low standards or is delusional.

Thank you for confirming that people who live in the "nice" and "good" neighborhoods are generally snobs that I don't want my kid around anyway. Where do you live that is so perfect?

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to disabuse you but:

1. TH to TH is a Redfin-generated 1-year long mean comparison; so it’s not cherry-picked and I can’t teach you math at this stage in life (if I included SFH etc it’d be not even a fair fight)

2. Moved from 20009 to what you would probably call Whiteopia to be offensive to me but is CP: have not seen a rat, an ATV or any crime since; good riddance it’s been years (have seen: deer, bunnies and chipmunks)

3. Why are you so aggro if Logan and Petworth are such paradise? I said Logan had nice townhomes. I found that the neighbors varied and you could be getting secondary mold, sewer and vermin problems through the shared walls. I genuinely cannot stand the illegal activity like the ATVs so am delighted to not have to have them spoil every nice evening. How are you not bothered?

Ok Karen.

I feel misgendered.

Also the math is correct. There’s almost a half mil difference between a median TH sold in Logan and in CP.

Logan Jan 23 just north of 1m; Jan 24 just south of 1.2m. There’s nothing much out of the wacc in the graph.

In CP, the TH are limited but the median is 1.6m. SFH is north of $2m to north of $3m in Jan 24.

Petworth TH $800k-$1m same period

Can you find the data confirming Logan is the more expensive real estate including than Cleveland Park? Seems counterintuitive but I’d love to see it.

Sure. There are endless listings confirming that the price of housing per square foot is higher in Logan than CP. Logan is much more dense. Also, I’d love to see an actual listing/sale for a full sized townhome in Logan. The Redfin estimate for ours is $1.8 mil and the tax assessment is $1.7 mil. We paid over $1 million more than a decade ago. The only townhomes in Logan that sell for $1.2 are fixer uppers.

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to disabuse you but:

1. TH to TH is a Redfin-generated 1-year long mean comparison; so it’s not cherry-picked and I can’t teach you math at this stage in life (if I included SFH etc it’d be not even a fair fight)

2. Moved from 20009 to what you would probably call Whiteopia to be offensive to me but is CP: have not seen a rat, an ATV or any crime since; good riddance it’s been years (have seen: deer, bunnies and chipmunks)

3. Why are you so aggro if Logan and Petworth are such paradise? I said Logan had nice townhomes. I found that the neighbors varied and you could be getting secondary mold, sewer and vermin problems through the shared walls. I genuinely cannot stand the illegal activity like the ATVs so am delighted to not have to have them spoil every nice evening. How are you not bothered?

Ok Karen.

I feel misgendered.

Also the math is correct. There’s almost a half mil difference between a median TH sold in Logan and in CP.

Logan Jan 23 just north of 1m; Jan 24 just south of 1.2m. There’s nothing much out of the wacc in the graph.

In CP, the TH are limited but the median is 1.6m. SFH is north of $2m to north of $3m in Jan 24.

Petworth TH $800k-$1m same period

Can you find the data confirming Logan is the more expensive real estate including than Cleveland Park? Seems counterintuitive but I’d love to see it.

Sure. There are endless listings confirming that the price of housing per square foot is higher in Logan than CP. Logan is much more dense. Also, I’d love to see an actual listing/sale for a full sized townhome in Logan. The Redfin estimate for ours is $1.8 mil and the tax assessment is $1.7 mil. We paid over $1 million more than a decade ago. The only townhomes in Logan that sell for $1.2 are fixer uppers.

Here for example is a recent sale in the heart of Logan. HALF of a rowhome for over $1.2 million and with a $700 a month condo fee. Sold in less than a week.

https://redf.in/OOM7ac

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry you can’t afford Cleveland park.

As I said in an earlier post, I live in Logan. I can afford Cleveland Park easily. That’s not what this is about.

Logan is a lot cheaper per sqft. Also many smaller places in Logan

CP >> Logan >> Pet.

I own a rowhome in the heart of Logan. It’s not cheaper than Cleveland Park per square foot. Prove me wrong.

So to recap, you’re a 54 yr old relative newcomer * to DC who owns a $4-5 million rowhome. Who takes really long walks in the middle of the workday with some frequency


And then you come home and post your “impressions” on neighborhoods on a parenting website


* newcomer because you don’t know what Cleveland Park actually entails. So you shelled out millions of dollars on a residence without at least driving by $4-5 million comps in the all of few neighborhoods that actually have $4-5 million comps (such as CP).

Not a newcomer. I’ve lived in the DMV my entire adult life, and in the city itself for two decades.

Wait, you’ve lived in DC proper for two decades and have never been to Cleveland Park or Petworth? How??

Where did I say I’ve never been to either? In fact, I said precisely the opposite in my opening post.

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Anonymous wrote:The other day I posted that I took a long walk and ended up in Cleveland Park and found it sterile and boring. Today I ended up in Petworth and found it much more lively and interesting. I’ve never really spent much time there but now I can see why it has so much appeal. I would definitely pick it over Cleveland Park.

Thoughts?

We bought in CC and a friend in Petworth years ago. Friend did lottery and won spot in same jklm schools as our kid so other than the commute they were doing well. Fast forward ten years and the pandemic started and the situation deteriorated. After friend had to duck to the floor a couple of times because there was a shooting outside, friend sold house and moved to a smaller place in CC two years ago. I cannot afford Cleveland park but i would buy there a million times more than in Petworth. I dont GAF about lively if it entails having my kids risk getting hit by a stray bullet while on the porch

I have no time for anyone who says “jklm” schools. So pretentious.

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Anonymous wrote:I've lived in Petworth since 2001. Raised my children here (lotteried into WOTP schools, although I see more and more neighborhood folks walking their kids to local schools each morning). Crime, while not great, is not the hellscape some try to describe. It's a great neighborhood that is accessible to other parts of the city and it's easy to get into Maryland

You’re likely just used to the crime. ANY shootings in a residential neighborhood is unacceptable and not a place to raise a family. There is notably higher crime in Petworth and anyone choosing to live there has either low standards or is delusional.

Agreed, any gun related crime in any neighborhood is simply unacceptable. It becomes too risky (however small the probability may be) to yourself and loved ones.

Frankly the DC Council was far too accommodating to crime over the past few years, coupled with attorneys lack of prosecutions of cases. Hopefully Secure DC will help, at least, to bring the DC area to pre-pandemic crime levels. But I frankly don't think it goes far enough. They really need to reduce juvenile age from 26 back to 18, increase minimum incarceration for carjacking, armed robberies, and any other gun related or violent crimes (I am of the view of 30 year minimum but most would think that's extreme), keep the criminals in jail until their case goes to trial, increased penalties of store robberies, and etc.

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Anonymous wrote:We live in petworth!
Both attorneys with kids at the local public. We're in our 30s and 40s. We love it here. I've been here since my 20s, so I've lived in Petworth for 15 years in all life stages.

Same here! Plenty of government attorneys/other feds with kids in the local elementary schools. Middle and high school not so much, but people figure it out.

To answer PP our house has doubled in value over the last 12 years, and the market is slowing like everywhere, but we don't plan on selling (if we moved, we'd rent it out). That said, buying a decade ago then refinancing and buying today at today's rates are apples and oranges. If my mortgage was $6-7k a month, I wouldn't want to be somewhere I'd have to "figure out" middle school.

Most people do not send their kids to the local school in Petworth. I live in Petworth and only know one neighbor that send their kids to the local elementary school. Everyone else send it to charters or private. data of where kids go to school showed a participation rate of around 35% in Petworth schools.

My kids are in a Petworth DCPS, but not our IB. There are many OOB high SES families like us that are in the neighborhood (within a 10 min drive or so), but not the "local school." Still plenty of kids at DCI feeders, but many more families sticking with DCPS through elementary than 7-10 years ago. Despite middle school concerns, we turned down DCB and MV for second grade because the academics at our DCPS are stronger.

Not really according to these data: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1110151.page

You’re making my point. The IB participation rate is lower than the neighborhood participation rate. Kids that are a 10 minute walk from school but OOB aren’t showing in that data (unless you want to show me where). It doesn’t mean that kids aren’t staying local and using neighborhood schools. They’re just not the zoned neighborhood school. Out of my third grader’s closest friends, 3 are IB and 3 (her included) within 1-2 miles away and OOB. I’m telling you how my kids’ classrooms are.

The last column data tells you where kids from X school are going instead of their IB. Sure you can see few DCPS, but most of them are going to charter schools. Data do not include kids in private school, which will make the % even lower.

Is there data that goes the other way? Where OOB kids are coming from for a particular school? I think there used to be an interactive map that showed that type of data, but it may have just been for charters. I agree that if you look at the % of kids that live in the 3 blocks surrounding West or Powell, for example, it may be low overall. But if a classroom at that school is mostly kids that live in the wider neighborhood (even if not within 3 blocks), it still feels like a neighborhood school for the purposes of playdates, carpooling, etc.

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The other day I posted that I took a long walk and ended up in Cleveland Park and found it sterile and boring. Today I ended up in Petworth and found it much more lively and interesting. I’ve never really spent much time there but now I can see why it has so much appeal.

Used to frequent Petworth which I agree seems more lively (younger? certainly more newbuild construction) and interesting (lower commercial rents?) then Cleveland Park, the land of gracious old homes and depressing old retail strips. But after not one by two separate rat incidents while dining at Petworth cafes, the charm kind of waned for me, and obviously the crime reports are sobering. Too bad. Not sure Cleveland Park is the answer, but I'd want to see measurable evidence of a turnaround -- not just DCUM chatter -- before committing to Petworth, and if i were considering buying not renting I'd try to understand why the post-boom situation in Petworth seems to have deteriorated further and faster than in comparable DC neighborhoods.

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LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:I've lived in Petworth since 2001. Raised my children here (lotteried into WOTP schools, although I see more and more neighborhood folks walking their kids to local schools each morning). Crime, while not great, is not the hellscape some try to describe. It's a great neighborhood that is accessible to other parts of the city and it's easy to get into Maryland

You’re likely just used to the crime. ANY shootings in a residential neighborhood is unacceptable and not a place to raise a family. There is notably higher crime in Petworth and anyone choosing to live there has either low standards or is delusional.

NP. People live in Petworth for many reasons, not due to low standards. Petworth is in a great location, in addition neighbors are very nice and down to earth (unlike you.)

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to disabuse you but:

1. TH to TH is a Redfin-generated 1-year long mean comparison; so it’s not cherry-picked and I can’t teach you math at this stage in life (if I included SFH etc it’d be not even a fair fight)

2. Moved from 20009 to what you would probably call Whiteopia to be offensive to me but is CP: have not seen a rat, an ATV or any crime since; good riddance it’s been years (have seen: deer, bunnies and chipmunks)

3. Why are you so aggro if Logan and Petworth are such paradise? I said Logan had nice townhomes. I found that the neighbors varied and you could be getting secondary mold, sewer and vermin problems through the shared walls. I genuinely cannot stand the illegal activity like the ATVs so am delighted to not have to have them spoil every nice evening. How are you not bothered?

Ok Karen.

I feel misgendered.

Also the math is correct. There’s almost a half mil difference between a median TH sold in Logan and in CP.

Logan Jan 23 just north of 1m; Jan 24 just south of 1.2m. There’s nothing much out of the wacc in the graph.

In CP, the TH are limited but the median is 1.6m. SFH is north of $2m to north of $3m in Jan 24.

Petworth TH $800k-$1m same period

Can you find the data confirming Logan is the more expensive real estate including than Cleveland Park? Seems counterintuitive but I’d love to see it.

Sure. There are endless listings confirming that the price of housing per square foot is higher in Logan than CP. Logan is much more dense. Also, I’d love to see an actual listing/sale for a full sized townhome in Logan. The Redfin estimate for ours is $1.8 mil and the tax assessment is $1.7 mil. We paid over $1 million more than a decade ago. The only townhomes in Logan that sell for $1.2 are fixer uppers.

I am very confused by this -- there are renovated THs here that all sell for well over $2m. Redfin says median is $1.2m there and $1.6m here. $1.6m townhome in CP is a massive fixer upper. I am really perplexed with this issue? Seems like good for Logan good for CP, not so good for the buyer? But to claim that Logan Circle is somehow a superior neighborhood by the property price and appreciation compared to Cleveland Park seems very dishonest and just genuinely perplexing? What exactly is your thing about the CP and Logan on the Petworth thread? I am genuinely confused.

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Anonymous wrote:I've lived in Petworth since 2001. Raised my children here (lotteried into WOTP schools, although I see more and more neighborhood folks walking their kids to local schools each morning). Crime, while not great, is not the hellscape some try to describe. It's a great neighborhood that is accessible to other parts of the city and it's easy to get into Maryland

You’re likely just used to the crime. ANY shootings in a residential neighborhood is unacceptable and not a place to raise a family. There is notably higher crime in Petworth and anyone choosing to live there has either low standards or is delusional.

NP. People live in Petworth for many reasons, not due to low standards. Petworth is in a great location, in addition neighbors are very nice and down to earth (unlike you.)

I agree that Petworth seems lovely. And should be. But he crime stats and the stories out of Petworth are chilling. So what gives and what would make the change? There are two historic Council recalls in the works and the crime bill just passed? What are the issues? What will make the difference? There is no reason any part of DC should put fear in anyone. I love Petworth for its relative affordability, fun spaces and nice houses, and nice people. But then what happens? Is the crime from within or comes into the locale and why?

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Am I the only person who worries about my kid being hit by a car on Connecticut or Georgia Avenues way more than I worry about any of us being a victim of violent crime? All of this waxing on about crime, but it's the drivers and the overbuilt roads we should actually be worried about.