If you're of Irish Protestant ancestry, do you consider yourself Irish American?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh god, people who are hung up on their Irish ancestry are the most annoying ethnic group in America. A typical conversation with them:

Them: “I’m Irish.”
Me: “oh, cool. You don’t have an accent. When did you come over?”

Them: “I was born here.”
Me: “oh. When did your parents emigrate?”

Them: “well, actually they were born here, too.”
Me: “oh. So, your grandparents came over from Ireland?”

Them: “….no.”
Me: “ah.”

You’re an idiot. There is a difference between Irish ethnicity and nationality. I suppose you only consider Kurds as either Turks or Iraqis. The US is full of different from different ethnicities. Do you deny descendants of American slaves claims to Africa? How about Poles who retained their Polish identity when the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was wiped off the map of Europe for 125 years?

Are you saying an American whose great grandparents were born in Ireland and who says they are Irish is actually ethnically Irish?

African-Americans are racially different. They have African genes. I doubt they claim to be ethnically African though.

DP this whole discussion is silly. Americans who say they are Irish mean it in the sense of ancestry. They have Irish ancestry. They are not saying they have Irish citizenship or that they were born and raised in Ireland. They know they are American.

Where I grew up in the midwest, people would say "I'm half Irish, half German." Or "I'm a quarter Polish, and 3/4 Czech." Or "I'm Lithuanian." And they all meant that this is where their immigrant ancestors came from. And yes, in Ireland people roll their eyes over there at Americans use of the phrase, in part because they don't know it's just shorthand for Americans of European descent to talk about their ancestry. Not only those of Irish heritage. Americans are obsessed with their ancestry in ways Europeans tend not to be. Not just those with Irish ancestors.

And anyway, when a popular US president whose ancestors came from Ireland is in office, the Irish go nuts over that and claim him as a long lost son. LOL

At least there are no more signs in the US that "no Irish need apply." There's your reason for whatever clannishness you see among those of Irish (Catholic) descent in the US. You make a group of people "others" and they'll stick together.

Are you honestly arguing that in 2024 the "Irish" still need to stick together to combat Irish prejudice? Sorry, you're not an oppressed group.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh god, people who are hung up on their Irish ancestry are the most annoying ethnic group in America. A typical conversation with them:

Them: “I’m Irish.”
Me: “oh, cool. You don’t have an accent. When did you come over?”

Them: “I was born here.”
Me: “oh. When did your parents emigrate?”

Them: “well, actually they were born here, too.”
Me: “oh. So, your grandparents came over from Ireland?”

Them: “….no.”
Me: “ah.”

My Irish friend visited here and rolled his eyes at all the policemen with their Irish insignia.

Sure they did.

The Irish don’t consider Irish-Americans to be Irish. They consider them to be Americans. Which they are.

American citizens who won’t easily qualify to become Irish citizens but who have Irish ethnic roots. Again, American is not an ethnicity.

It’s actually easier than I would have thought to become an Irish citizen.

One of my children, born in the US to US born parents, has dual Irish citizenship as 3 of her 4 Grandparents were born in Ireland/Northern Ireland.

I was somewhat surprised when she was granted Irish citizenship.

Ditto several other European countries because now that the WWs are over (and many aren’t having to rebuild like they were in the mid-1900s) many are willing to grant citizenship due to a person’s … wait for it … ethnic roots aka ethnicity going back several generations.

Great! Get the passport and I'll agree you're Irish.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh god, people who are hung up on their Irish ancestry are the most annoying ethnic group in America. A typical conversation with them:

Them: “I’m Irish.”
Me: “oh, cool. You don’t have an accent. When did you come over?”

Them: “I was born here.”
Me: “oh. When did your parents emigrate?”

Them: “well, actually they were born here, too.”
Me: “oh. So, your grandparents came over from Ireland?”

Them: “….no.”
Me: “ah.”

My Irish friend visited here and rolled his eyes at all the policemen with their Irish insignia.

Sure they did.

The Irish don’t consider Irish-Americans to be Irish. They consider them to be Americans. Which they are.

American citizens who won’t easily qualify to become Irish citizens but who have Irish ethnic roots. Again, American is not an ethnicity.

It’s actually easier than I would have thought to become an Irish citizen.

One of my children, born in the US to US born parents, has dual Irish citizenship as 3 of her 4 Grandparents were born in Ireland/Northern Ireland.

I was somewhat surprised when she was granted Irish citizenship.

Ditto several other European countries because now that the WWs are over (and many aren’t having to rebuild like they were in the mid-1900s) many are willing to grant citizenship due to a person’s … wait for it … ethnic roots aka ethnicity going back several generations.

Great! Get the passport and I'll agree you're Irish.

Nobody needs your approval in how they identify.

[Anonymous]

My Fathers Family moved to Ireland around 1520 from England. Unlike my Father my mothers side is true Irish always in Ireland.

My whole Irish mothers side considers my fathers side English. They have only been in country 500 years. Not true Irish.

And religion don’t matter my father converted to Catholic (big deal back then)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god, people who are hung up on their Irish ancestry are the most annoying ethnic group in America. A typical conversation with them:

Them: “I’m Irish.”
Me: “oh, cool. You don’t have an accent. When did you come over?”

Them: “I was born here.”
Me: “oh. When did your parents emigrate?”

Them: “well, actually they were born here, too.”
Me: “oh. So, your grandparents came over from Ireland?”

Them: “….no.”
Me: “ah.”

You’re an idiot. There is a difference between Irish ethnicity and nationality. I suppose you only consider Kurds as either Turks or Iraqis. The US is full of different from different ethnicities. Do you deny descendants of American slaves claims to Africa? How about Poles who retained their Polish identity when the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was wiped off the map of Europe for 125 years?

Are you saying an American whose great grandparents were born in Ireland and who says they are Irish is actually ethnically Irish?

African-Americans are racially different. They have African genes. I doubt they claim to be ethnically African though.

DP this whole discussion is silly. Americans who say they are Irish mean it in the sense of ancestry. They have Irish ancestry. They are not saying they have Irish citizenship or that they were born and raised in Ireland. They know they are American.

Where I grew up in the midwest, people would say "I'm half Irish, half German." Or "I'm a quarter Polish, and 3/4 Czech." Or "I'm Lithuanian." And they all meant that this is where their immigrant ancestors came from. And yes, in Ireland people roll their eyes over there at Americans use of the phrase, in part because they don't know it's just shorthand for Americans of European descent to talk about their ancestry. Not only those of Irish heritage. Americans are obsessed with their ancestry in ways Europeans tend not to be. Not just those with Irish ancestors.

And anyway, when a popular US president whose ancestors came from Ireland is in office, the Irish go nuts over that and claim him as a long lost son. LOL

At least there are no more signs in the US that "no Irish need apply." There's your reason for whatever clannishness you see among those of Irish (Catholic) descent in the US. You make a group of people "others" and they'll stick together.

Are you honestly arguing that in 2024 the "Irish" still need to stick together to combat Irish prejudice? Sorry, you're not an oppressed group.

Are you honestly arguing that events and practices from 100 years ago have absolutely no reverberations over decades and leave no lasting impact? You’re clearly not a historian or sociologist. Ground zero does not exist for each new generation.

[Anonymous]

Grew up in North East area that was very Irish American. Never met a person who identified as such who wasn’t raised Catholic. Probably b/c all the Catholics settled in that area originally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My Fathers Family moved to Ireland around 1520 from England. Unlike my Father my mothers side is true Irish always in Ireland.

My whole Irish mothers side considers my fathers side English. They have only been in country 500 years. Not true Irish.

And religion don’t matter my father converted to Catholic (big deal back then)

So something like your father's 12x great grandparents moved to Ireland and account for a teeny % of his ancestry? I bet your mother's family have a few Norse genes mixed in which they rather conveniently don't know about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god, people who are hung up on their Irish ancestry are the most annoying ethnic group in America. A typical conversation with them:

Them: “I’m Irish.”
Me: “oh, cool. You don’t have an accent. When did you come over?”

Them: “I was born here.”
Me: “oh. When did your parents emigrate?”

Them: “well, actually they were born here, too.”
Me: “oh. So, your grandparents came over from Ireland?”

Them: “….no.”
Me: “ah.”

+1
Absolutely incorrigible. Single-handedly the most annoying identity group in the United States.

Nah, its it the italians that are worst

"it's not sauce, its GRAVY"

"capiCOUL" "gabaGHOUL"

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god, people who are hung up on their Irish ancestry are the most annoying ethnic group in America. A typical conversation with them:

Them: “I’m Irish.”
Me: “oh, cool. You don’t have an accent. When did you come over?”

Them: “I was born here.”
Me: “oh. When did your parents emigrate?”

Them: “well, actually they were born here, too.”
Me: “oh. So, your grandparents came over from Ireland?”

Them: “….no.”
Me: “ah.”

You think that is annoying but I think it is one of the most charming characteristics of those of Irish decent. Having one great, great, great, great grandparent from Ireland is enough to get you into the club. It is hard to believe that you would be bothered by this.

+1

My great-grandparents were all born in Ireland and although I'm not Irish, it is noticeable to me how many certain Irish turns of speech and customs my family has retained. There's no question in my mind that my Irish ancestry has played a role in how I've developed as a person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god, people who are hung up on their Irish ancestry are the most annoying ethnic group in America. A typical conversation with them:

Them: “I’m Irish.”
Me: “oh, cool. You don’t have an accent. When did you come over?”

Them: “I was born here.”
Me: “oh. When did your parents emigrate?”

Them: “well, actually they were born here, too.”
Me: “oh. So, your grandparents came over from Ireland?”

Them: “….no.”
Me: “ah.”

You’re an idiot. There is a difference between Irish ethnicity and nationality. I suppose you only consider Kurds as either Turks or Iraqis. The US is full of different from different ethnicities. Do you deny descendants of American slaves claims to Africa? How about Poles who retained their Polish identity when the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was wiped off the map of Europe for 125 years?

Are you saying an American whose great grandparents were born in Ireland and who says they are Irish is actually ethnically Irish?

African-Americans are racially different. They have African genes. I doubt they claim to be ethnically African though.

According to my DNA testing, I am 96% Irish. All of my great-grandparents were born in Ireland.

Conan O'Brien is 100% Irish, but he was born in the United States.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_1SrUquSmU

So neither of us is Irish, ethnically speaking?

[Anonymous]

^^^ RE: Conan O'Brien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ayIJed2dn4

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting piece here about why Irish Catholics are one of the most prosperous ethnic groups in America while Irish Protestants are one of the least successful ethnic groups in America: https://www.irishamerica.com/2023/03/have-the-irish-made-it-in-america/#:~:text=A%20little%20less%20than%20half,and%20place%20of%20their%20immigration.

That was a very interesting article, thanks for posting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god, people who are hung up on their Irish ancestry are the most annoying ethnic group in America. A typical conversation with them:

Them: “I’m Irish.”
Me: “oh, cool. You don’t have an accent. When did you come over?”

Them: “I was born here.”
Me: “oh. When did your parents emigrate?”

Them: “well, actually they were born here, too.”
Me: “oh. So, your grandparents came over from Ireland?”

Them: “….no.”
Me: “ah.”

My Irish friend visited here and rolled his eyes at all the policemen with their Irish insignia.

How rude of him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god, people who are hung up on their Irish ancestry are the most annoying ethnic group in America. A typical conversation with them:

Them: “I’m Irish.”
Me: “oh, cool. You don’t have an accent. When did you come over?”

Them: “I was born here.”
Me: “oh. When did your parents emigrate?”

Them: “well, actually they were born here, too.”
Me: “oh. So, your grandparents came over from Ireland?”

Them: “….no.”
Me: “ah.”

You’re an idiot. There is a difference between Irish ethnicity and nationality. I suppose you only consider Kurds as either Turks or Iraqis. The US is full of different from different ethnicities. Do you deny descendants of American slaves claims to Africa? How about Poles who retained their Polish identity when the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was wiped off the map of Europe for 125 years?

Are you saying an American whose great grandparents were born in Ireland and who says they are Irish is actually ethnically Irish?

African-Americans are racially different. They have African genes. I doubt they claim to be ethnically African though.

DP this whole discussion is silly. Americans who say they are Irish mean it in the sense of ancestry. They have Irish ancestry. They are not saying they have Irish citizenship or that they were born and raised in Ireland. They know they are American.

Where I grew up in the midwest, people would say "I'm half Irish, half German." Or "I'm a quarter Polish, and 3/4 Czech." Or "I'm Lithuanian." And they all meant that this is where their immigrant ancestors came from. And yes, in Ireland people roll their eyes over there at Americans use of the phrase, in part because they don't know it's just shorthand for Americans of European descent to talk about their ancestry. Not only those of Irish heritage. Americans are obsessed with their ancestry in ways Europeans tend not to be. Not just those with Irish ancestors.

And anyway, when a popular US president whose ancestors came from Ireland is in office, the Irish go nuts over that and claim him as a long lost son. LOL

At least there are no more signs in the US that "no Irish need apply." There's your reason for whatever clannishness you see among those of Irish (Catholic) descent in the US. You make a group of people "others" and they'll stick together.

Are you honestly arguing that in 2024 the "Irish" still need to stick together to combat Irish prejudice? Sorry, you're not an oppressed group.

where did the PP argue what you are saying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god, people who are hung up on their Irish ancestry are the most annoying ethnic group in America. A typical conversation with them:

Them: “I’m Irish.”
Me: “oh, cool. You don’t have an accent. When did you come over?”

Them: “I was born here.”
Me: “oh. When did your parents emigrate?”

Them: “well, actually they were born here, too.”
Me: “oh. So, your grandparents came over from Ireland?”

Them: “….no.”
Me: “ah.”

You think that is annoying but I think it is one of the most charming characteristics of those of Irish decent. Having one great, great, great, great grandparent from Ireland is enough to get you into the club. It is hard to believe that you would be bothered by this.

+1

My great-grandparents were all born in Ireland and although I'm not Irish, it is noticeable to me how many certain Irish turns of speech and customs my family has retained. There's no question in my mind that my Irish ancestry has played a role in how I've developed as a person.

Same. My siblings and I got off the airplane in Dublin and after walking a few moments through the airport, my brother asked if anyone else felt like they had just landed in a family reunion. Everyone was eerily familiar. That feeling did not go away no matte where we went. It was such a strange feeling.