The coordinated attack on D.E.I. is a vast right wing conspiracy

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Anonymous wrote:I was sitting in a management meeting at my company earlier this month.

14 white men. 1 Black man. Two women. It was ridiculous. Those men are not more talented than all the people in the office.

It is like a PP said. Whiny white men who have had every opportunity now don't like it when they have to compete. They always want the finger on the scale in favor of them.

Black males are 6% of the population. One black guy out of 17 people = 6% of the representation. That's exactly on par with the demographics of the country, so what are you complaining about.

I also don't hear you whining about lack representation of women in fields like fishing, logging, oil rig work, etc. You know, the most dangerous and hazardous jobs on the planet. Your beef is that women don't have more representation in cushy white collar jobs with high pay and low risk. It would be better to be honest and admit first you don't want true equality across employment. You just want more female representation in very specific roles and sectors where jobs are easier, safer, and less labor intensive.

Are women welcomed in those professions? Be honest.

Oh, because I'm suuuure the primary issue with very tough, labor intensive jobs is that they aren't safe spaces for women. It couldn't possibly be that women don't like to do those jobs *because* they're tough, labor intensive and dangerous.

Just be honest......all of this equity talk is a joke. You okay want equity in the cushy, white collar, high paying jobs, not across fields though that require back breaking work that's dangerous and yet the county still needs to function.

Have you ever read accounts about women who try to break into male dominated fields?

Sure, if there are jobs that you need particular strength to perform, then it's not a surprise that fewer women will be aiming for those jobs. If women can perform them then they should be welcome into those fields.

But what a crock to say women avoid tough, labor intensive, and dangerous jobs. Have you ever looked to see who are doing those back-breaking health care jobs? You really want to say that those aren't labor intensive and tough or even dangerous (how many health care people died from covid during the first year of the crisis?). Do you know what it's like to have to turn bed-ridden patients over? What about women who do all the nasty cleaning jobs - would you want to do those? Especially for such paltry salaries.

Lol, what a joke. Health care is no where near as dangerous as iron work, sewer work, fishing, logging, power line work, etc. where you risk immediate shock with 100 kilovolts, asphyxiation by hydrogen sulfide, and falls of over 150 feet. The COVID pandemic is a one off event and a historic pandemic that happens once every 100 years.


Try moving 4000 lb drill bits in a matter of seconds on an oil rig, risking your limbs being crushed or severed if you don’t do it right. The vast, vaaaaaaast majority of work place deaths are men, not women. Healthcare isn’t even remotely as backbreaking as working on something like a fishing boat. Let’s see you do a 12 hour shift in sub zero temperatures hauling in catches all night that weigh multiple tons. Big whoop, you turn over a patient in bed while the fisherman is feeding thousands of people and risking life and limb working exhausting hours around ropes and chains with multiple tons of tension that can cut them in half on a whim if they make a mistake.

So you think therefore that white men therefore deserve to be given advantages in white collar jobs because of this? Is that what you're saying?

You won't say "big whoop" when a health care worker takes care of and maybe even saves a loved one's life. Good lord.

You’re really dim, aren’t you.


All of these charades about equity in the work place really aren’t about true equity. Women may want more representation in the most lucrative cushy jobs that exist, they don’t want true equality across ALL employment. If they did then they’d start dying at equal rates as men in the job because women would start doing the most dangerous and most laborious jobs out there. But that’s not what we are talking about. There are tons of women who clamor for special treatment in STEM fields and the corporate sector in tech, for example. But where are all of the women’s groups demanding more representation of women in sewer cleaning work, fishing, and iron work? Oh that’s right, women don’t want to do the latter jobs, because they’re too dangerous and too labor intensive for the pay. Women don’t want true equality, they just want the most high paying easy jobs. Gee, who DOESN’T want those?

Where are all of the male house cleaners, the male child care workers, teachers are starting to include men but that's only recent? Etc. Etc. Etc. These are all traditionally grossly underpaid jobs. Guess who always has them? Women. Look, no one wants anyone dying on the job, but that's not the way to look at it (and the fact that the jobs you claim are so risky aren't where the deaths are). But the jobs you're describing are well paid, unionized work that of course women want to break into. You're just wrong for suggesting that women don't want really good paying work, even with risk. Because you also forget - women face risk just being women. Risk on the job isn't something that factors in for many.

Oh please, if men tried to do child care work they’d be immediately labeled as a potential sex predator. Be honest. Would you hire a man to watch you 1, 2, or 3 year old daughters while you and your husband went on your monthly date. The lion’s share of moms out there would throw a hissy fit because they have biased gendered notions against men even if a man tried to do something like childcare work.

Biased but true

Men are something like 400x more likely than women to commit sex assault in child care

Women are also 10000x more likely to commit infantcide and commit nearly 100% of all infant murders. Yet you don’t have a problem hiring a woman to watch your infant now do you?

They also commit 100.0% of abortions

Also not relevant to which sex you trust more to take care of children

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Anonymous wrote:I was sitting in a management meeting at my company earlier this month.

14 white men. 1 Black man. Two women. It was ridiculous. Those men are not more talented than all the people in the office.

It is like a PP said. Whiny white men who have had every opportunity now don't like it when they have to compete. They always want the finger on the scale in favor of them.

Black males are 6% of the population. One black guy out of 17 people = 6% of the representation. That's exactly on par with the demographics of the country, so what are you complaining about.

I also don't hear you whining about lack representation of women in fields like fishing, logging, oil rig work, etc. You know, the most dangerous and hazardous jobs on the planet. Your beef is that women don't have more representation in cushy white collar jobs with high pay and low risk. It would be better to be honest and admit first you don't want true equality across employment. You just want more female representation in very specific roles and sectors where jobs are easier, safer, and less labor intensive.

Are women welcomed in those professions? Be honest.

Oh, because I'm suuuure the primary issue with very tough, labor intensive jobs is that they aren't safe spaces for women. It couldn't possibly be that women don't like to do those jobs *because* they're tough, labor intensive and dangerous.

Just be honest......all of this equity talk is a joke. You okay want equity in the cushy, white collar, high paying jobs, not across fields though that require back breaking work that's dangerous and yet the county still needs to function.

Have you ever read accounts about women who try to break into male dominated fields?

Sure, if there are jobs that you need particular strength to perform, then it's not a surprise that fewer women will be aiming for those jobs. If women can perform them then they should be welcome into those fields.

But what a crock to say women avoid tough, labor intensive, and dangerous jobs. Have you ever looked to see who are doing those back-breaking health care jobs? You really want to say that those aren't labor intensive and tough or even dangerous (how many health care people died from covid during the first year of the crisis?). Do you know what it's like to have to turn bed-ridden patients over? What about women who do all the nasty cleaning jobs - would you want to do those? Especially for such paltry salaries.

Lol, what a joke. Health care is no where near as dangerous as iron work, sewer work, fishing, logging, power line work, etc. where you risk immediate shock with 100 kilovolts, asphyxiation by hydrogen sulfide, and falls of over 150 feet. The COVID pandemic is a one off event and a historic pandemic that happens once every 100 years.


Try moving 4000 lb drill bits in a matter of seconds on an oil rig, risking your limbs being crushed or severed if you don’t do it right. The vast, vaaaaaaast majority of work place deaths are men, not women. Healthcare isn’t even remotely as backbreaking as working on something like a fishing boat. Let’s see you do a 12 hour shift in sub zero temperatures hauling in catches all night that weigh multiple tons. Big whoop, you turn over a patient in bed while the fisherman is feeding thousands of people and risking life and limb working exhausting hours around ropes and chains with multiple tons of tension that can cut them in half on a whim if they make a mistake.

So you think therefore that white men therefore deserve to be given advantages in white collar jobs because of this? Is that what you're saying?

You won't say "big whoop" when a health care worker takes care of and maybe even saves a loved one's life. Good lord.

You’re really dim, aren’t you.


All of these charades about equity in the work place really aren’t about true equity. Women may want more representation in the most lucrative cushy jobs that exist, they don’t want true equality across ALL employment. If they did then they’d start dying at equal rates as men in the job because women would start doing the most dangerous and most laborious jobs out there. But that’s not what we are talking about. There are tons of women who clamor for special treatment in STEM fields and the corporate sector in tech, for example. But where are all of the women’s groups demanding more representation of women in sewer cleaning work, fishing, and iron work? Oh that’s right, women don’t want to do the latter jobs, because they’re too dangerous and too labor intensive for the pay. Women don’t want true equality, they just want the most high paying easy jobs. Gee, who DOESN’T want those?

Where are all of the male house cleaners, the male child care workers, teachers are starting to include men but that's only recent? Etc. Etc. Etc. These are all traditionally grossly underpaid jobs. Guess who always has them? Women. Look, no one wants anyone dying on the job, but that's not the way to look at it (and the fact that the jobs you claim are so risky aren't where the deaths are). But the jobs you're describing are well paid, unionized work that of course women want to break into. You're just wrong for suggesting that women don't want really good paying work, even with risk. Because you also forget - women face risk just being women. Risk on the job isn't something that factors in for many.

Oh please, if men tried to do child care work they’d be immediately labeled as a potential sex predator. Be honest. Would you hire a man to watch you 1, 2, or 3 year old daughters while you and your husband went on your monthly date. The lion’s share of moms out there would throw a hissy fit because they have biased gendered notions against men even if a man tried to do something like childcare work.

They don’t do it bc they’re grossly underpaid positions so pigeonholed as women’s work. Gtfoh with you pretend ignorance.

How about OB/GYNs? Most women prefer a female OB/GYN and something like less than 10% of women prefer a male OB/GYN.

But until recent times most ob/gyns were male. That is a fact. Thank goodness for diversification. Thought I will admit my favorite ob of all time was a man. Even though he had personally never experienced what it felt like to have a period or push a baby through a vagina.

Also how many men prefer male doctors to be checking their privates?

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Anonymous wrote:I was sitting in a management meeting at my company earlier this month.

14 white men. 1 Black man. Two women. It was ridiculous. Those men are not more talented than all the people in the office.

It is like a PP said. Whiny white men who have had every opportunity now don't like it when they have to compete. They always want the finger on the scale in favor of them.

Black males are 6% of the population. One black guy out of 17 people = 6% of the representation. That's exactly on par with the demographics of the country, so what are you complaining about.

I also don't hear you whining about lack representation of women in fields like fishing, logging, oil rig work, etc. You know, the most dangerous and hazardous jobs on the planet. Your beef is that women don't have more representation in cushy white collar jobs with high pay and low risk. It would be better to be honest and admit first you don't want true equality across employment. You just want more female representation in very specific roles and sectors where jobs are easier, safer, and less labor intensive.

Are women welcomed in those professions? Be honest.

Oh, because I'm suuuure the primary issue with very tough, labor intensive jobs is that they aren't safe spaces for women. It couldn't possibly be that women don't like to do those jobs *because* they're tough, labor intensive and dangerous.

Just be honest......all of this equity talk is a joke. You okay want equity in the cushy, white collar, high paying jobs, not across fields though that require back breaking work that's dangerous and yet the county still needs to function.

Have you ever read accounts about women who try to break into male dominated fields?

Sure, if there are jobs that you need particular strength to perform, then it's not a surprise that fewer women will be aiming for those jobs. If women can perform them then they should be welcome into those fields.

But what a crock to say women avoid tough, labor intensive, and dangerous jobs. Have you ever looked to see who are doing those back-breaking health care jobs? You really want to say that those aren't labor intensive and tough or even dangerous (how many health care people died from covid during the first year of the crisis?). Do you know what it's like to have to turn bed-ridden patients over? What about women who do all the nasty cleaning jobs - would you want to do those? Especially for such paltry salaries.

Lol, what a joke. Health care is no where near as dangerous as iron work, sewer work, fishing, logging, power line work, etc. where you risk immediate shock with 100 kilovolts, asphyxiation by hydrogen sulfide, and falls of over 150 feet. The COVID pandemic is a one off event and a historic pandemic that happens once every 100 years.


Try moving 4000 lb drill bits in a matter of seconds on an oil rig, risking your limbs being crushed or severed if you don’t do it right. The vast, vaaaaaaast majority of work place deaths are men, not women. Healthcare isn’t even remotely as backbreaking as working on something like a fishing boat. Let’s see you do a 12 hour shift in sub zero temperatures hauling in catches all night that weigh multiple tons. Big whoop, you turn over a patient in bed while the fisherman is feeding thousands of people and risking life and limb working exhausting hours around ropes and chains with multiple tons of tension that can cut them in half on a whim if they make a mistake.

So you think therefore that white men therefore deserve to be given advantages in white collar jobs because of this? Is that what you're saying?

You won't say "big whoop" when a health care worker takes care of and maybe even saves a loved one's life. Good lord.

You’re really dim, aren’t you.


All of these charades about equity in the work place really aren’t about true equity. Women may want more representation in the most lucrative cushy jobs that exist, they don’t want true equality across ALL employment. If they did then they’d start dying at equal rates as men in the job because women would start doing the most dangerous and most laborious jobs out there. But that’s not what we are talking about. There are tons of women who clamor for special treatment in STEM fields and the corporate sector in tech, for example. But where are all of the women’s groups demanding more representation of women in sewer cleaning work, fishing, and iron work? Oh that’s right, women don’t want to do the latter jobs, because they’re too dangerous and too labor intensive for the pay. Women don’t want true equality, they just want the most high paying easy jobs. Gee, who DOESN’T want those?

Where are all of the male house cleaners, the male child care workers, teachers are starting to include men but that's only recent? Etc. Etc. Etc. These are all traditionally grossly underpaid jobs. Guess who always has them? Women. Look, no one wants anyone dying on the job, but that's not the way to look at it (and the fact that the jobs you claim are so risky aren't where the deaths are). But the jobs you're describing are well paid, unionized work that of course women want to break into. You're just wrong for suggesting that women don't want really good paying work, even with risk. Because you also forget - women face risk just being women. Risk on the job isn't something that factors in for many.

Oh please, if men tried to do child care work they’d be immediately labeled as a potential sex predator. Be honest. Would you hire a man to watch you 1, 2, or 3 year old daughters while you and your husband went on your monthly date. The lion’s share of moms out there would throw a hissy fit because they have biased gendered notions against men even if a man tried to do something like childcare work.

My DS used to babysit the family next door when he was in high school.

But why don't you tell us why so many people would be hesitant to hire men to look after children?

That family, I’m guessing, knew your family and your son before hiring him

Hardly (not at all?) relevant to the larger question of which people generally prefer

Why don't you tell us why so many people would be hesitant to hire men to look after children?

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Anonymous wrote:I was sitting in a management meeting at my company earlier this month.

14 white men. 1 Black man. Two women. It was ridiculous. Those men are not more talented than all the people in the office.

It is like a PP said. Whiny white men who have had every opportunity now don't like it when they have to compete. They always want the finger on the scale in favor of them.

Black males are 6% of the population. One black guy out of 17 people = 6% of the representation. That's exactly on par with the demographics of the country, so what are you complaining about.

I also don't hear you whining about lack representation of women in fields like fishing, logging, oil rig work, etc. You know, the most dangerous and hazardous jobs on the planet. Your beef is that women don't have more representation in cushy white collar jobs with high pay and low risk. It would be better to be honest and admit first you don't want true equality across employment. You just want more female representation in very specific roles and sectors where jobs are easier, safer, and less labor intensive.

Are women welcomed in those professions? Be honest.

Oh, because I'm suuuure the primary issue with very tough, labor intensive jobs is that they aren't safe spaces for women. It couldn't possibly be that women don't like to do those jobs *because* they're tough, labor intensive and dangerous.

Just be honest......all of this equity talk is a joke. You okay want equity in the cushy, white collar, high paying jobs, not across fields though that require back breaking work that's dangerous and yet the county still needs to function.

Have you ever read accounts about women who try to break into male dominated fields?

Sure, if there are jobs that you need particular strength to perform, then it's not a surprise that fewer women will be aiming for those jobs. If women can perform them then they should be welcome into those fields.

But what a crock to say women avoid tough, labor intensive, and dangerous jobs. Have you ever looked to see who are doing those back-breaking health care jobs? You really want to say that those aren't labor intensive and tough or even dangerous (how many health care people died from covid during the first year of the crisis?). Do you know what it's like to have to turn bed-ridden patients over? What about women who do all the nasty cleaning jobs - would you want to do those? Especially for such paltry salaries.

Lol, what a joke. Health care is no where near as dangerous as iron work, sewer work, fishing, logging, power line work, etc. where you risk immediate shock with 100 kilovolts, asphyxiation by hydrogen sulfide, and falls of over 150 feet. The COVID pandemic is a one off event and a historic pandemic that happens once every 100 years.


Try moving 4000 lb drill bits in a matter of seconds on an oil rig, risking your limbs being crushed or severed if you don’t do it right. The vast, vaaaaaaast majority of work place deaths are men, not women. Healthcare isn’t even remotely as backbreaking as working on something like a fishing boat. Let’s see you do a 12 hour shift in sub zero temperatures hauling in catches all night that weigh multiple tons. Big whoop, you turn over a patient in bed while the fisherman is feeding thousands of people and risking life and limb working exhausting hours around ropes and chains with multiple tons of tension that can cut them in half on a whim if they make a mistake.

So you think therefore that white men therefore deserve to be given advantages in white collar jobs because of this? Is that what you're saying?

You won't say "big whoop" when a health care worker takes care of and maybe even saves a loved one's life. Good lord.

You’re really dim, aren’t you.


All of these charades about equity in the work place really aren’t about true equity. Women may want more representation in the most lucrative cushy jobs that exist, they don’t want true equality across ALL employment. If they did then they’d start dying at equal rates as men in the job because women would start doing the most dangerous and most laborious jobs out there. But that’s not what we are talking about. There are tons of women who clamor for special treatment in STEM fields and the corporate sector in tech, for example. But where are all of the women’s groups demanding more representation of women in sewer cleaning work, fishing, and iron work? Oh that’s right, women don’t want to do the latter jobs, because they’re too dangerous and too labor intensive for the pay. Women don’t want true equality, they just want the most high paying easy jobs. Gee, who DOESN’T want those?

Where are all of the male house cleaners, the male child care workers, teachers are starting to include men but that's only recent? Etc. Etc. Etc. These are all traditionally grossly underpaid jobs. Guess who always has them? Women. Look, no one wants anyone dying on the job, but that's not the way to look at it (and the fact that the jobs you claim are so risky aren't where the deaths are). But the jobs you're describing are well paid, unionized work that of course women want to break into. You're just wrong for suggesting that women don't want really good paying work, even with risk. Because you also forget - women face risk just being women. Risk on the job isn't something that factors in for many.

Oh please, if men tried to do child care work they’d be immediately labeled as a potential sex predator. Be honest. Would you hire a man to watch you 1, 2, or 3 year old daughters while you and your husband went on your monthly date. The lion’s share of moms out there would throw a hissy fit because they have biased gendered notions against men even if a man tried to do something like childcare work.

My DS used to babysit the family next door when he was in high school.

But why don't you tell us why so many people would be hesitant to hire men to look after children?

That family, I’m guessing, knew your family and your son before hiring him

Hardly (not at all?) relevant to the larger question of which people generally prefer

Why don't you tell us why so many people would be hesitant to hire men to look after children?

Testosterone

Everything it does is bad for child care

Plus statistics

Going from memory I think men are 5-10% of child care workers and 80-90% of sex abuse perps hence the math in the post above

Of course when you know someone personally you may have a level of trust that overcomes the stats

Or not

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Anonymous wrote:I was sitting in a management meeting at my company earlier this month.

14 white men. 1 Black man. Two women. It was ridiculous. Those men are not more talented than all the people in the office.

It is like a PP said. Whiny white men who have had every opportunity now don't like it when they have to compete. They always want the finger on the scale in favor of them.

Black males are 6% of the population. One black guy out of 17 people = 6% of the representation. That's exactly on par with the demographics of the country, so what are you complaining about.

I also don't hear you whining about lack representation of women in fields like fishing, logging, oil rig work, etc. You know, the most dangerous and hazardous jobs on the planet. Your beef is that women don't have more representation in cushy white collar jobs with high pay and low risk. It would be better to be honest and admit first you don't want true equality across employment. You just want more female representation in very specific roles and sectors where jobs are easier, safer, and less labor intensive.

Are women welcomed in those professions? Be honest.

Oh, because I'm suuuure the primary issue with very tough, labor intensive jobs is that they aren't safe spaces for women. It couldn't possibly be that women don't like to do those jobs *because* they're tough, labor intensive and dangerous.

Just be honest......all of this equity talk is a joke. You okay want equity in the cushy, white collar, high paying jobs, not across fields though that require back breaking work that's dangerous and yet the county still needs to function.

Have you ever read accounts about women who try to break into male dominated fields?

Sure, if there are jobs that you need particular strength to perform, then it's not a surprise that fewer women will be aiming for those jobs. If women can perform them then they should be welcome into those fields.

But what a crock to say women avoid tough, labor intensive, and dangerous jobs. Have you ever looked to see who are doing those back-breaking health care jobs? You really want to say that those aren't labor intensive and tough or even dangerous (how many health care people died from covid during the first year of the crisis?). Do you know what it's like to have to turn bed-ridden patients over? What about women who do all the nasty cleaning jobs - would you want to do those? Especially for such paltry salaries.

Lol, what a joke. Health care is no where near as dangerous as iron work, sewer work, fishing, logging, power line work, etc. where you risk immediate shock with 100 kilovolts, asphyxiation by hydrogen sulfide, and falls of over 150 feet. The COVID pandemic is a one off event and a historic pandemic that happens once every 100 years.


Try moving 4000 lb drill bits in a matter of seconds on an oil rig, risking your limbs being crushed or severed if you don’t do it right. The vast, vaaaaaaast majority of work place deaths are men, not women. Healthcare isn’t even remotely as backbreaking as working on something like a fishing boat. Let’s see you do a 12 hour shift in sub zero temperatures hauling in catches all night that weigh multiple tons. Big whoop, you turn over a patient in bed while the fisherman is feeding thousands of people and risking life and limb working exhausting hours around ropes and chains with multiple tons of tension that can cut them in half on a whim if they make a mistake.

So you think therefore that white men therefore deserve to be given advantages in white collar jobs because of this? Is that what you're saying?

You won't say "big whoop" when a health care worker takes care of and maybe even saves a loved one's life. Good lord.

You’re really dim, aren’t you.


All of these charades about equity in the work place really aren’t about true equity. Women may want more representation in the most lucrative cushy jobs that exist, they don’t want true equality across ALL employment. If they did then they’d start dying at equal rates as men in the job because women would start doing the most dangerous and most laborious jobs out there. But that’s not what we are talking about. There are tons of women who clamor for special treatment in STEM fields and the corporate sector in tech, for example. But where are all of the women’s groups demanding more representation of women in sewer cleaning work, fishing, and iron work? Oh that’s right, women don’t want to do the latter jobs, because they’re too dangerous and too labor intensive for the pay. Women don’t want true equality, they just want the most high paying easy jobs. Gee, who DOESN’T want those?

Where are all of the male house cleaners, the male child care workers, teachers are starting to include men but that's only recent? Etc. Etc. Etc. These are all traditionally grossly underpaid jobs. Guess who always has them? Women. Look, no one wants anyone dying on the job, but that's not the way to look at it (and the fact that the jobs you claim are so risky aren't where the deaths are). But the jobs you're describing are well paid, unionized work that of course women want to break into. You're just wrong for suggesting that women don't want really good paying work, even with risk. Because you also forget - women face risk just being women. Risk on the job isn't something that factors in for many.

Oh please, if men tried to do child care work they’d be immediately labeled as a potential sex predator. Be honest. Would you hire a man to watch you 1, 2, or 3 year old daughters while you and your husband went on your monthly date. The lion’s share of moms out there would throw a hissy fit because they have biased gendered notions against men even if a man tried to do something like childcare work.

My DS used to babysit the family next door when he was in high school.

But why don't you tell us why so many people would be hesitant to hire men to look after children?

That family, I’m guessing, knew your family and your son before hiring him

Hardly (not at all?) relevant to the larger question of which people generally prefer

Why don't you tell us why so many people would be hesitant to hire men to look after children?

Testosterone

Everything it does is bad for child care

Plus statistics

Going from memory I think men are 5-10% of child care workers and 80-90% of sex abuse perps hence the math in the post above

Of course when you know someone personally you may have a level of trust that overcomes the stats

Or not

That's rich.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/babysitter-charged-murder-girl-sandy-springs-georgia/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marissa-tietsort-babysitter-killed-baby-boy-gave-body-to-mother-wausau-wisconsin-homicide-charges/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-nanny-stabbed-children-death-sentenced-today/story?id=55145044

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-babysitter-charged-murder-37-years-later-n1275118

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/no-bond-babysitter-killing-4-month-old-girl/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/las-vegas-babysitter-boy-5-video-abuse-urinating

https://abcnews.go.com/US/year-ohio-girl-dies-days-babysitter-allegedly-assaulted/story?id=53845752

https://www.journal-news.com/news/case-of-butler-county-babysitter-convicted-of-killing-3-year-old-featured-on-national-tv-show/XVIXFEPMFJAIVNAISN2EA34YXI/


https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/roseville-1-year-old-dies-after-alleged-abuse-babysitter-charged


And I'm just getting warmed up. A looooooota children being killed by your female childcare worker. Yet women get no stigma wrt childcare.

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Anonymous wrote:I was sitting in a management meeting at my company earlier this month.

14 white men. 1 Black man. Two women. It was ridiculous. Those men are not more talented than all the people in the office.

It is like a PP said. Whiny white men who have had every opportunity now don't like it when they have to compete. They always want the finger on the scale in favor of them.

Black males are 6% of the population. One black guy out of 17 people = 6% of the representation. That's exactly on par with the demographics of the country, so what are you complaining about.

I also don't hear you whining about lack representation of women in fields like fishing, logging, oil rig work, etc. You know, the most dangerous and hazardous jobs on the planet. Your beef is that women don't have more representation in cushy white collar jobs with high pay and low risk. It would be better to be honest and admit first you don't want true equality across employment. You just want more female representation in very specific roles and sectors where jobs are easier, safer, and less labor intensive.

Are women welcomed in those professions? Be honest.

Oh, because I'm suuuure the primary issue with very tough, labor intensive jobs is that they aren't safe spaces for women. It couldn't possibly be that women don't like to do those jobs *because* they're tough, labor intensive and dangerous.

Just be honest......all of this equity talk is a joke. You okay want equity in the cushy, white collar, high paying jobs, not across fields though that require back breaking work that's dangerous and yet the county still needs to function.

Have you ever read accounts about women who try to break into male dominated fields?

Sure, if there are jobs that you need particular strength to perform, then it's not a surprise that fewer women will be aiming for those jobs. If women can perform them then they should be welcome into those fields.

But what a crock to say women avoid tough, labor intensive, and dangerous jobs. Have you ever looked to see who are doing those back-breaking health care jobs? You really want to say that those aren't labor intensive and tough or even dangerous (how many health care people died from covid during the first year of the crisis?). Do you know what it's like to have to turn bed-ridden patients over? What about women who do all the nasty cleaning jobs - would you want to do those? Especially for such paltry salaries.

Lol, what a joke. Health care is no where near as dangerous as iron work, sewer work, fishing, logging, power line work, etc. where you risk immediate shock with 100 kilovolts, asphyxiation by hydrogen sulfide, and falls of over 150 feet. The COVID pandemic is a one off event and a historic pandemic that happens once every 100 years.


Try moving 4000 lb drill bits in a matter of seconds on an oil rig, risking your limbs being crushed or severed if you don’t do it right. The vast, vaaaaaaast majority of work place deaths are men, not women. Healthcare isn’t even remotely as backbreaking as working on something like a fishing boat. Let’s see you do a 12 hour shift in sub zero temperatures hauling in catches all night that weigh multiple tons. Big whoop, you turn over a patient in bed while the fisherman is feeding thousands of people and risking life and limb working exhausting hours around ropes and chains with multiple tons of tension that can cut them in half on a whim if they make a mistake.

So you think therefore that white men therefore deserve to be given advantages in white collar jobs because of this? Is that what you're saying?

You won't say "big whoop" when a health care worker takes care of and maybe even saves a loved one's life. Good lord.

You’re really dim, aren’t you.


All of these charades about equity in the work place really aren’t about true equity. Women may want more representation in the most lucrative cushy jobs that exist, they don’t want true equality across ALL employment. If they did then they’d start dying at equal rates as men in the job because women would start doing the most dangerous and most laborious jobs out there. But that’s not what we are talking about. There are tons of women who clamor for special treatment in STEM fields and the corporate sector in tech, for example. But where are all of the women’s groups demanding more representation of women in sewer cleaning work, fishing, and iron work? Oh that’s right, women don’t want to do the latter jobs, because they’re too dangerous and too labor intensive for the pay. Women don’t want true equality, they just want the most high paying easy jobs. Gee, who DOESN’T want those?

Where are all of the male house cleaners, the male child care workers, teachers are starting to include men but that's only recent? Etc. Etc. Etc. These are all traditionally grossly underpaid jobs. Guess who always has them? Women. Look, no one wants anyone dying on the job, but that's not the way to look at it (and the fact that the jobs you claim are so risky aren't where the deaths are). But the jobs you're describing are well paid, unionized work that of course women want to break into. You're just wrong for suggesting that women don't want really good paying work, even with risk. Because you also forget - women face risk just being women. Risk on the job isn't something that factors in for many.

Oh please, if men tried to do child care work they’d be immediately labeled as a potential sex predator. Be honest. Would you hire a man to watch you 1, 2, or 3 year old daughters while you and your husband went on your monthly date. The lion’s share of moms out there would throw a hissy fit because they have biased gendered notions against men even if a man tried to do something like childcare work.

My DS used to babysit the family next door when he was in high school.

But why don't you tell us why so many people would be hesitant to hire men to look after children?

That family, I’m guessing, knew your family and your son before hiring him

Hardly (not at all?) relevant to the larger question of which people generally prefer

Why don't you tell us why so many people would be hesitant to hire men to look after children?

Testosterone

Everything it does is bad for child care

Plus statistics

Going from memory I think men are 5-10% of child care workers and 80-90% of sex abuse perps hence the math in the post above

Of course when you know someone personally you may have a level of trust that overcomes the stats

Or not

That's rich.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/babysitter-charged-murder-girl-sandy-springs-georgia/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marissa-tietsort-babysitter-killed-baby-boy-gave-body-to-mother-wausau-wisconsin-homicide-charges/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-nanny-stabbed-children-death-sentenced-today/story?id=55145044

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-babysitter-charged-murder-37-years-later-n1275118

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/no-bond-babysitter-killing-4-month-old-girl/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/las-vegas-babysitter-boy-5-video-abuse-urinating

https://abcnews.go.com/US/year-ohio-girl-dies-days-babysitter-allegedly-assaulted/story?id=53845752

https://www.journal-news.com/news/case-of-butler-county-babysitter-convicted-of-killing-3-year-old-featured-on-national-tv-show/XVIXFEPMFJAIVNAISN2EA34YXI/


https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/roseville-1-year-old-dies-after-alleged-abuse-babysitter-charged


And I'm just getting warmed up. A looooooota children being killed by your female childcare worker. Yet women get no stigma wrt childcare.

Do you know the difference between anecdotes and statistics?

Women are the vast majority of child care workers - say they are 90%

If they commit 10 crimes and the men commit 10 crimes then the men are 9x as likely to commit crimes

But keep surfing for headlines, very scientific

[Anonymous]

An example of statistics

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28957767/

4,237 child sex abuse cases from the courts over 26 years and 70 of them accused female perps - the rest male

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The only conspiracy is how this whole furor either advocating for/railing against this kind of stuff was concocted and used by elites to get the focus off of economic inequality, corporate greed, big finance, and the massive influence money has on politics.

Immediately after the Occupy Wallstreet movement which really got people talking and considering how everyone is being screwed by the über-wealthy, the media puts the focus on race/ethnicity/racism in order to keep us divided.

Yes, and people like OP are perpetuating this. DEI is essentially an anti-labor effort. Wealthy progessives and wealthy conservatives are all in favor of DEI because it takes the focus off of class-based unity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The only conspiracy is how this whole furor either advocating for/railing against this kind of stuff was concocted and used by elites to get the focus off of economic inequality, corporate greed, big finance, and the massive influence money has on politics.

Immediately after the Occupy Wallstreet movement which really got people talking and considering how everyone is being screwed by the über-wealthy, the media puts the focus on race/ethnicity/racism in order to keep us divided.

Yes, and people like OP are perpetuating this. DEI is essentially an anti-labor effort. Wealthy progessives and wealthy conservatives are all in favor of DEI because it takes the focus off of class-based unity.

Not sure it’s part of a bigger plan for most of them

Might be more of a “luxury belief “ thing - an easy way to feel superior to the proles

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The only conspiracy is how this whole furor either advocating for/railing against this kind of stuff was concocted and used by elites to get the focus off of economic inequality, corporate greed, big finance, and the massive influence money has on politics.

Immediately after the Occupy Wallstreet movement which really got people talking and considering how everyone is being screwed by the über-wealthy, the media puts the focus on race/ethnicity/racism in order to keep us divided.

Yes, and people like OP are perpetuating this. DEI is essentially an anti-labor effort. Wealthy progessives and wealthy conservatives are all in favor of DEI because it takes the focus off of class-based unity.

Not sure it’s part of a bigger plan for most of them

Might be more of a “luxury belief “ thing - an easy way to feel superior to the proles

Perhaps but it does conveniently take any emphasis off unions, organizing, class-based oppression, etc. In the DEI hierarchies of oppression, working and middle class unity is never, ever part of the discussion. It lets wealthy liberals act they’re “doing something” (undefined and vague, of course) while simultaneously reaping the fruits of a class-based structure of wealth. It gives wealthy conservatives a convenient target. Both groups are essentially very happy with DEI because it fiercely defends existing wealth structures while allowing those groups to pretend to be advocates for change.

I’m quite sure OP is entirely uninterested in what labor-based DEI would actually look like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?

What makes you a racist is your assumption that someone meeting DEI goals has not ALSO been hired based on merit and qualifications. I would hope for BOTH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The only conspiracy is how this whole furor either advocating for/railing against this kind of stuff was concocted and used by elites to get the focus off of economic inequality, corporate greed, big finance, and the massive influence money has on politics.

Immediately after the Occupy Wallstreet movement which really got people talking and considering how everyone is being screwed by the über-wealthy, the media puts the focus on race/ethnicity/racism in order to keep us divided.

Yes, and people like OP are perpetuating this. DEI is essentially an anti-labor effort. Wealthy progessives and wealthy conservatives are all in favor of DEI because it takes the focus off of class-based unity.

Yep. Just playing into their hands. The conservatives rage about reverse-racism while the left rages about conservative attacks on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?

What makes you a racist is your assumption that someone meeting DEI goals has not ALSO been hired based on merit and qualifications. I would hope for BOTH.

Except it rarely works out that way. You know the airline is gonna hire the female pilot with only 2 years of experience over the white male pilot with 13 years of experience these days because of DEI.

Have fun putting your life in the hands of the diversity hire on your next trip!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?

What makes you a racist is your assumption that someone meeting DEI goals has not ALSO been hired based on merit and qualifications. I would hope for BOTH.

DEI only exists to help precisely those people who can’t get the job otherwise

It doesn’t mean that every e.g. female pilot is unqualified, only that if DEI is involved then some of them are guaranteed to be

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?

What makes you a racist is your assumption that someone meeting DEI goals has not ALSO been hired based on merit and qualifications. I would hope for BOTH.

Except it rarely works out that way. You know the airline is gonna hire the female pilot with only 2 years of experience over the white male pilot with 13 years of experience these days because of DEI.

Have fun putting your life in the hands of the diversity hire on your next trip!

In my field I’ve seen many examples of men with less experience and fewer qualifications get hired over highly qualified women with more experience. Time and again. The male candidates were seen as having potential. Maybe they “looked” the part. But they didn’t get the job based on what they had actually done.