COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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Anonymous wrote:Good Lord OP’s obsession and anger is so weird.

You know it's not, you'll just never be able to reconcile the fact that you were so mislead and duped. It takes strength and courage to admit you were wrong. Maybe you'll get there someday.

Yeah. It really is. You are a complete loon.

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I teach in a very high poverty school and very few families wanted to send their kids to school even when schools reopened a YEAR after they were shut down. They had family members die so I can't say I blame them.

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Anonymous wrote:Good Lord OP’s obsession and anger is so weird.

You know it's not, you'll just never be able to reconcile the fact that you were so mislead and duped. It takes strength and courage to admit you were wrong. Maybe you'll get there someday.

Yeah. It really is. You are a complete loon.

Your name calling suggests this makes you very uncomfortable. Since you're still working to understand science, this will likely be a long process for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Our healthcare system was very close to collapsing. That is why we did what we did.

No it was not close to collapsing.

Did you work in the ER during, say, the heights of omicron? Or even December 2020? Because omg. It was not sustainable.

Well, everything was open during the height of Omicron …

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I enjoyed lockdown, personally.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

Because it was an EMERGENCY situation.
Having known several people who died or spent months in the hospital with Covid it was not something most of us wanted to just take our chances with.

Questions and dissent are most important during an emergency. No you don’t get to memory hole this.

What do you think should happen today? Are you advocating for anything in particular?

I think laws should be passed that require schools to remain open. Public health authories should be sent to school to understand risks and benefits. Strong protection of 1A rights in the pending Supreme Court case. Fixing the learning loss is going to be a long term project but the new understanding of the importance of phonics is a great step. We need to do the same for math.

I agree with this. What happened in DC public schools and many other schools needs to be addressed. The idea that publicly funded public schools can just close for an entire school year, is insane.

I think we need rules in place linking prolonged school closures with teacher furloughs. You want to keep the schools closed for a year or more? Okay, then we need to furlough the staff and the money saved should be sent to families as a tax rebate that can be used toward private school, tutoring, etc.

DP. I don't know if I agree with that, but we need an urgent and ongoing evaluation of where students stand now and each year going forward to inform future decisions. My primary concern with the way public schools handled COVID is not necessarily that decision-makers were trying to protect the health, particularly the health of adults who would be in school buildings, but how little consideration has been given to the consequences of that protection for students. If unprecedented measures were needed to protect life, why weren't unprecedented options for flexibility or remediation considered (even for a fleeting second) to mitigate harm to children? With the seasonality we have seen, school in the summers and closures around the winter holidays would have mitigated risk and allowed some normalcy, yet that was never on the table.

You want to spend time punishing for past buy what do you want to do for kids on school now? The kids in school on 2023, 2024, at this moment in time, how do you want to serve them? Scoring political points by litigating the past won't.

I don't want to punish anyone. But I will point out that "experts" who lobbied for closed schools offered assurances that kids would be just fine when schools reopened, and they were wrong. I don't even have kids in primary education anymore, but it is clear that what we are doing isn't working, and no one is offering any solutions. All I hear is blame for parents and students. I want to hear ideas for solving these problems that aren't just business as usual.

Yes, parents are ultimately responsible for their kids. Surprised you are now in favor of a nanny state.

No one is going to accept a solution where we defenestrate the teachers who were part of the lockdown during COVID so don't spend precious time waiting for that. We will also not get rid of the concept of public schools. So with that out of the way what are your solutions?

funny how you’re still trying to silence criticism

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Anonymous wrote:Who is still obsessed and mad over “lockdowns” (which isn’t anything we ever did in this country anyway).

the National Guard wouldn’t let me sit in the park in April 2020.

What park was that, dearie?

I don’t remember any National Guard deployments related to Covid so I am going to call “bullshit” on this one.

Again, I don’t understand the obsession with this. As was previously stated, public health officials did the best they could with the information available at the time. And the goal was to not overwhelm hospitals— to slow the spread, not prevent people from getting sick. They just didn’t want people sick all at once. To that end, social distancing (not “lockdowns” we never had actual lockdowns) were largely effective. Somehow these obsessed people have moved the goalposts and think the objective was preventing people from getting it. That was never the stated objective.

It was in DC. But sure, continue to lie all you want. It’s all you have now.

Liar.

Nope: https://www.113wg.ang.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2452350/a-look-back-at-2020-dc-national-guard-covid-19-response-efforts/

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Anonymous wrote:I teach in a very high poverty school and very few families wanted to send their kids to school even when schools reopened a YEAR after they were shut down. They had family members die so I can't say I blame them.

Let me guess - you are now at a chronic truancy rate 100% larger than 2019?

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Anonymous wrote:Good Lord OP’s obsession and anger is so weird.

You know it's not, you'll just never be able to reconcile the fact that you were so mislead and duped. It takes strength and courage to admit you were wrong. Maybe you'll get there someday.

Yeah. It really is. You are a complete loon.

Your name calling suggests this makes you very uncomfortable. Since you're still working to understand science, this will likely be a long process for you.

I am completely comfortable. You are just annoying the phuck out of me with your Dunning Krueger and weird fixation.

Love to hear it. But I'm not OP. There are multiple people in here agreeing about the failure. If you can't handle the conversation you can keep scrolling.

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Anonymous wrote:Good Lord OP’s obsession and anger is so weird.

You know it's not, you'll just never be able to reconcile the fact that you were so mislead and duped. It takes strength and courage to admit you were wrong. Maybe you'll get there someday.

Yeah. It really is. You are a complete loon.

Your name calling suggests this makes you very uncomfortable. Since you're still working to understand science, this will likely be a long process for you.

I am completely comfortable. You are just annoying the phuck out of me with your Dunning Krueger and weird fixation.

Love to hear it. But I'm not OP. There are multiple people in here agreeing about the failure. If you can't handle the conversation you can keep scrolling.

Sure. I just think it is completely bizarre y’all are all so completely worked up about this. Take a chill pill. It’s all good now.

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Anonymous wrote:Good Lord OP’s obsession and anger is so weird.

You know it's not, you'll just never be able to reconcile the fact that you were so mislead and duped. It takes strength and courage to admit you were wrong. Maybe you'll get there someday.

Yeah. It really is. You are a complete loon.

Your name calling suggests this makes you very uncomfortable. Since you're still working to understand science, this will likely be a long process for you.

I am completely comfortable. You are just annoying the phuck out of me with your Dunning Krueger and weird fixation.

Love to hear it. But I'm not OP. There are multiple people in here agreeing about the failure. If you can't handle the conversation you can keep scrolling.

Sure. I just think it is completely bizarre y’all are all so completely worked up about this. Take a chill pill. It’s all good now.

You're the one so "phucking" annoyed. Take your own advice.

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Anonymous wrote:It kept my family safe so I got no issues with it.

So you have never had Covid?

Not so far.

I know you think it was a gotcha question, lol!

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Idk anybody who actually quarantined.

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Anonymous wrote:Good Lord OP’s obsession and anger is so weird.

You know it's not, you'll just never be able to reconcile the fact that you were so mislead and duped. It takes strength and courage to admit you were wrong. Maybe you'll get there someday.

Yeah. It really is. You are a complete loon.

Your name calling suggests this makes you very uncomfortable. Since you're still working to understand science, this will likely be a long process for you.

I am completely comfortable. You are just annoying the phuck out of me with your Dunning Krueger and weird fixation.

Love to hear it. But I'm not OP. There are multiple people in here agreeing about the failure. If you can't handle the conversation you can keep scrolling.

Sure. I just think it is completely bizarre y’all are all so completely worked up about this. Take a chill pill. It’s all good now.

You're the one so "phucking" annoyed. Take your own advice.

Naw. I instructed you to stop posting, didn’t I? Comply.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

Because it was an EMERGENCY situation.
Having known several people who died or spent months in the hospital with Covid it was not something most of us wanted to just take our chances with.

Questions and dissent are most important during an emergency. No you don’t get to memory hole this.

What do you think should happen today? Are you advocating for anything in particular?

I think laws should be passed that require schools to remain open. Public health authories should be sent to school to understand risks and benefits. Strong protection of 1A rights in the pending Supreme Court case. Fixing the learning loss is going to be a long term project but the new understanding of the importance of phonics is a great step. We need to do the same for math.

I agree with this. What happened in DC public schools and many other schools needs to be addressed. The idea that publicly funded public schools can just close for an entire school year, is insane.

I think we need rules in place linking prolonged school closures with teacher furloughs. You want to keep the schools closed for a year or more? Okay, then we need to furlough the staff and the money saved should be sent to families as a tax rebate that can be used toward private school, tutoring, etc.

DP. I don't know if I agree with that, but we need an urgent and ongoing evaluation of where students stand now and each year going forward to inform future decisions. My primary concern with the way public schools handled COVID is not necessarily that decision-makers were trying to protect the health, particularly the health of adults who would be in school buildings, but how little consideration has been given to the consequences of that protection for students. If unprecedented measures were needed to protect life, why weren't unprecedented options for flexibility or remediation considered (even for a fleeting second) to mitigate harm to children? With the seasonality we have seen, school in the summers and closures around the winter holidays would have mitigated risk and allowed some normalcy, yet that was never on the table.

You want to spend time punishing for past buy what do you want to do for kids on school now? The kids in school on 2023, 2024, at this moment in time, how do you want to serve them? Scoring political points by litigating the past won't.

I don't want to punish anyone. But I will point out that "experts" who lobbied for closed schools offered assurances that kids would be just fine when schools reopened, and they were wrong. I don't even have kids in primary education anymore, but it is clear that what we are doing isn't working, and no one is offering any solutions. All I hear is blame for parents and students. I want to hear ideas for solving these problems that aren't just business as usual.

Yes, parents are ultimately responsible for their kids. Surprised you are now in favor of a nanny state.

No one is going to accept a solution where we defenestrate the teachers who were part of the lockdown during COVID so don't spend precious time waiting for that. We will also not get rid of the concept of public schools. So with that out of the way what are your solutions?

funny how you’re still trying to silence criticism

Not wanting to throw teachers out of windows or get rid of public schools is "silencing criticism"?