Friend has violent Pitbull but wants to hist Girls Nite at her house

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Anonymous wrote:How is it that none of the other friends know about this dog? You need to be direct and honest with your friend group about this. The dog owner is clearly in denial about the problem. Fragile feelings don't trump safety concerns.

I assume they know and don’t care, which is fine. Everything is not for everybody.

Wait, are you OP assuming this? Because OP said:
'The other ladies are not aware of the attacks or the failed training, and some of them have never been to her house or dealt with this dog.'

OP needs to TELL the other friends about this dog, or IMO she is just as responsible if something happens to one of them at this party that SHE chose not to attend, because she has this information.

Umm no. Only the dog owner is responsible for that. It’s dog owner’s responsibility to inform others of the dog’s issues.

If I was OP I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if one of my friends was injured by this violent animal that OP knows about, but doesn’t want to speak up about because… it might be awkward?

So I disagree, if the friends don’t know, and dog owner isn’t going to mention it, then OP is morally obligated to say something.

But maybe you’re the type to mow down a pedestrian because they weren’t in the crosswalk and you had the right of way? Instead of just slowing down or stopping because “it’s not my responsibility!”

Please tell us you’re not this unhinged in your everyday life.

Responsible behavior = unhinged (apparently)

Yes, I try to act in a responsible manner in my every day life.

[Anonymous]

I mean this very sincerely and my husband is lawyer who has represented dog attack victims: I would cease being friends with someone who got a pit bull or pit bull mix. It would immediately call into question everything I thought I knew about them. You have to have rocks in your head to put one of those breeds in your home. OP describes a knowingly violent one, which is bad, of course, but even more terrifying are the unpredictable violent ones who randomly snap for no reason. And it happens all. the. time. No, just no. Not going to your house and I'm going to fade from being your friend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean this very sincerely and my husband is lawyer who has represented dog attack victims: I would cease being friends with someone who got a pit bull or pit bull mix. It would immediately call into question everything I thought I knew about them. You have to have rocks in your head to put one of those breeds in your home. OP describes a knowingly violent one, which is bad, of course, but even more terrifying are the unpredictable violent ones who randomly snap for no reason. And it happens all. the. time. No, just no. Not going to your house and I'm going to fade from being your friend.

Most sensible post on this thread.

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Dog owners are so obnoxious and gross

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Look, I hate pit bulls, I ask if people have pit bulls when my kids have play dates, but I still would not gossip about someone else's dog to my friends.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, I hate pit bulls, I ask if people have pit bulls when my kids have play dates, but I still would not gossip about someone else's dog to my friends.

It’s not “gossip” you numbskull, it’s sharing potentially life/limb saving information.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, I hate pit bulls, I ask if people have pit bulls when my kids have play dates, but I still would not gossip about someone else's dog to my friends.

It’s not “gossip” you numbskull, it’s sharing potentially life/limb saving information.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean this very sincerely and my husband is lawyer who has represented dog attack victims: I would cease being friends with someone who got a pit bull or pit bull mix. It would immediately call into question everything I thought I knew about them. You have to have rocks in your head to put one of those breeds in your home. OP describes a knowingly violent one, which is bad, of course, but even more terrifying are the unpredictable violent ones who randomly snap for no reason. And it happens all. the. time. No, just no. Not going to your house and I'm going to fade from being your friend.

Overdramatic.

Do you have any actual friends???

[Anonymous]

I would not go, even if dog crated. My experience has been that owners like this think their dog is perfect and uncrates/lets them out half way through the party. I’ve lost all trust.

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Anonymous wrote:How is it that none of the other friends know about this dog? You need to be direct and honest with your friend group about this. The dog owner is clearly in denial about the problem. Fragile feelings don't trump safety concerns.

I assume they know and don’t care, which is fine. Everything is not for everybody.

Wait, are you OP assuming this? Because OP said:
'The other ladies are not aware of the attacks or the failed training, and some of them have never been to her house or dealt with this dog.'

OP needs to TELL the other friends about this dog, or IMO she is just as responsible if something happens to one of them at this party that SHE chose not to attend, because she has this information.

Umm no. Only the dog owner is responsible for that. It’s dog owner’s responsibility to inform others of the dog’s issues.

If I was OP I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if one of my friends was injured by this violent animal that OP knows about, but doesn’t want to speak up about because… it might be awkward?

So I disagree, if the friends don’t know, and dog owner isn’t going to mention it, then OP is morally obligated to say something.

But maybe you’re the type to mow down a pedestrian because they weren’t in the crosswalk and you had the right of way? Instead of just slowing down or stopping because “it’s not my responsibility!”

Please tell us you’re not this unhinged in your everyday life.

Responsible behavior = unhinged (apparently)

Yes, I try to act in a responsible manner in my every day life.

I don't trust anything OP says given how hysterical all of her posts are.

OP, this is not difficult. You cannot control your other friend. You either go or you don't. End of story. You don't get to make demands about her dog and where the dog will be or not be unless you come clean about your feelings. Seeing as you're really not that concerned, if you can't have that conversation, then you either go or don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean this very sincerely and my husband is lawyer who has represented dog attack victims: I would cease being friends with someone who got a pit bull or pit bull mix. It would immediately call into question everything I thought I knew about them. You have to have rocks in your head to put one of those breeds in your home. OP describes a knowingly violent one, which is bad, of course, but even more terrifying are the unpredictable violent ones who randomly snap for no reason. And it happens all. the. time. No, just no. Not going to your house and I'm going to fade from being your friend.

Girl, bye.

No, I don't have a pittie but anyone who makes sweeping generalizations about a breed -any breed- is too stupid to argue with. (And Im a lawyer, too).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean this very sincerely and my husband is lawyer who has represented dog attack victims: I would cease being friends with someone who got a pit bull or pit bull mix. It would immediately call into question everything I thought I knew about them. You have to have rocks in your head to put one of those breeds in your home. OP describes a knowingly violent one, which is bad, of course, but even more terrifying are the unpredictable violent ones who randomly snap for no reason. And it happens all. the. time. No, just no. Not going to your house and I'm going to fade from being your friend.

If I was your friend I would be happy to lose you as one because clearly you are not a good person ( judging all pit bulls based on a few) why is it the dogs' fault when clearly its the owners?

As you can tell I have a American pit bull terrier/ Siberan husky mix.

Maybe you friends will all get pit bulls to get rid of you? Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, I hate pit bulls, I ask if people have pit bulls when my kids have play dates, but I still would not gossip about someone else's dog to my friends.

So you would hate a dog that was 75 percent lab and 25 american pit bull terrier?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean this very sincerely and my husband is lawyer who has represented dog attack victims: I would cease being friends with someone who got a pit bull or pit bull mix. It would immediately call into question everything I thought I knew about them. You have to have rocks in your head to put one of those breeds in your home. OP describes a knowingly violent one, which is bad, of course, but even more terrifying are the unpredictable violent ones who randomly snap for no reason. And it happens all. the. time. No, just no. Not going to your house and I'm going to fade from being your friend.

Girl, bye.

No, I don't have a pittie but anyone who makes sweeping generalizations about a breed -any breed- is too stupid to argue with. (And Im a lawyer, too).

What about someone who makes sweeping generalizations about a “breed” of human? (e.g. the kind who recognize that pit bulls are inherently violent and savage and it only takes ONE TIME for them to end/ruin someone’s life…)

(In case I’m not being clear, PP, you are both stupid and a hypocrite, and undoubtedly a terrible lawyer as well.)

[Anonymous]

How has nobody called animal control on this nuisance yet?

A pit bull is not an inherently dangerous dog, they can be very sweet.
Pits do get a bad rap as there are so many falsehoods floating around about them, such as the lie that it can lock its jaws (a pits mandible is the same as every other dogs is, so the notion it can lock its jaw is ridiculous).

However, as they say, there are no bad dogs, only bad owners... and your friend is a VERY bad owner.

One of the key responsibilities of being a good, responsible dog owner, is socialization and obedience training when the dog is very young... the fact that this dog failed socialization training and she sort of just gave up on it after that, is terribly irresponsible.
She should have went to another, better equipped trainer, specifically for her dogs temperament.

You don't go to one and say "oh well" if they fail, you find another, and then another, or you surrender your dog if you cannot control it. THAT is being a responsible dog owner. Your vet can usually recommend a trainer barf on your dog's needs.
Speaking of which, what does their vet say?
I imagine the dig definitely has to be muzzled when at the vet? That's a huge red flag if it does.

As I said, the pit breed can be very sweet, but there are plenty of pits that are not sweet at all.
The aggressive tendencies of the pit bull are due to breeding and genetics. They have a natural tendency to protective and aggressive towards other dogs. In some cases, due to lack of proper behavioral training or socialization, this behavior can actually progress to aggressiveness towards people. This behavior has nothing to do with the size of the brain or going crazy (another common fallacy).

They can be very unpredictable and snap at a moments notice from either being inbred incestuously, over and over again for generations (this is a twofer, it's bad breeding AND genetics) or they were abused as puppies, so they have PTSD and then they are taken in by rescue groups and adopted out. That leaves emotional scars, which can lead to physically acting out if they feel threatened, scared or anxious.
Combine that with this breed having a super high prey drive, and it's the perfect storm.

Pits are very strong dogs, so an attack from a pit has a much higher chance of becoming fatal, as comparing it with another popular breed of dog, such as a lab or retriever.

Didn't the two puppies owners call animal control when the attacks occurred??

If they both had called after their puppies were attacked, she would've either been FORCED by law to get her dog additional training, or she would have been forced to surrender it.

The best thing you can honestly do, is call animal control yourself -- they may need your name and number in case they have to contact you, but you can request to remain anonymous on the report (and they're super diligent about keeping that information anonymous, as they know that nobody would call in if they couldn't trust that their identity would remain safe, because most anonymous calls come from those with close relationships to the owner, such as family members and neighbors).

Inform animal control of the dogs exact history and anything that's occurred in the past.... even if you think it may not be relevant (yourevnot a trained professional, you don't know what may be relevant).

Calling animal control truly is the best thing for this dog and for your friend. Although she may not believe this right now, it absolutely is, because I guarantee that both your friend and this dog don't have the quality of life that they should.

Btw, calling animal control has NOTHING to do with your holiday party - it has EVERYTHING to do with keeping your friend and anyone else exposed to that dog alive.

I'll give you one last tip... if ANY dog goes into attack mode and attacks another dog, it goes into a frenzy and it's like humans when they say they see red and have no control over themselves -- nor will they remember it afterward (which is why you see so many dogs go right back into normal or playful behavior once they're pulled from the fray and snap out of the frenzy).

To safely pull a fighting dog away from the fray, simply grab it by its hind legs and pull backward, like a wheelbarrow. This is baked the wheelbarrow position.
The physiology of a dogs neck (I'm talking about every breed of dog) is not long enough that it will allow them to whip around and bite you, so you are completely safe pulling back like this. Once you've pulled them back at least 8 - 10 feet away from the fray, the dog will almost always snap out of the frenzy.

ALWAYS use the wheelbarrow either to pull your dog off of another dog, human, etc OR to pull another dog off of yours. Only use the wheelbarrow on the aggressor of the two. If the dog won't calm down, simply continue to pull it back further or hold it in the wheelbarrow position and have someone call 911.

Never, ever, ever attempt to get in between two fighting dogs -- as they will not know what they're doing in the moment and will attack you, as well.

We have a dog who's half German Shepherd and half Rottweiler (the breed is called a Shottie) and he is THE sweetest dog to everyone -- adults, children, babies, other dogs, cats, birds... you name it, and he's sweet and gentle toward it. He started socialization and obedience training at 8 weeks old, and we exposed him to all ages of humans and all manner of animal life.
We knew that it was our responsibility as owners of two very large dog breeds combined together, to have him safe around anyone and everyone he encounters, no matter who it is (with the exception of someone breaking in or looking to do us harm, of course, but that's training for another post).

-- Former dog trainer of 10 years.