Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with a previous poster that this system is broken. The gamesmanship just cannot be what schools intended with test-optional. My son also has a 1380, which is why I clicked on this, and he is submitting it everywhere. It’s a good score and he worked hard for it. A school that would reject him KNOWING that many test-optional students didn’t score nearly as well is really not a school worth going to.

?? I readily agree that test optional gamesmanship is an unfortuate development and can cause kids (and parents) too much stress. But there are several legitimmate reasons that a child might be rejected apart from submitting an SAT score of 1380. The OP's child, for example, has a GPA that is below the 25th percentile for both UVA and W&M.

Depends on how those school will recalculate that GPA from that particular school, which no one can guess. At some schools thatbgrade hard, that is a very high GPA.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with a previous poster that this system is broken. The gamesmanship just cannot be what schools intended with test-optional. My son also has a 1380, which is why I clicked on this, and he is submitting it everywhere. It’s a good score and he worked hard for it. A school that would reject him KNOWING that many test-optional students didn’t score nearly as well is really not a school worth going to.

It may just be me, but I feel like university admissions are a lottery. I had a kid that scored a 35 (first sitting) on the ACT with a good GPA.

Good take. Never heard that before.

For around 20 schools, random lottery.

For around 30 additional schools, hard to read.

For literally every other school: pretty straightforward.

NYU (for example) had 120,000 applications last year for 5,700 seats, that’s a 5% admit rate, I can’t imagine anything they care less about than whether you are confused about their test policy or not. Shut up and apply, dummy.

BTW at $80 per applicant that’s $9.6 Million in revenue where 95% of the players lose, and the winners get to hand them $95k a year for four years.

Literally better odds playing roulette at a casino.

The number of applicants will go up in 2024.

Funny you use NYU for your straightforward example. NYU does not include more than 25% of admitted freshman in those stats. If the applicant's acceptance is moved to the school of Liberal Studies, they don't include that in their admissions stats, that is 25% of first years. If admitted to a First Year Away program, also not included in the stats.

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Anonymous wrote:The only reason to submit is because the GPA is low so it doesn’t hurt. But if you had a 4.5 + and a 1380 SAT or 31 ACT you shouldn’t because it would be weak compared to the GPA.

Actually a 1380 is equal to a 30 ACT

But the bottom 25th percentile of last year's incoming class reports having a 32. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp.

With what percentage of students reporting an ACT though?

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Anonymous wrote:Business is one of the biggest majors at WM, and it’s a decent program. It’s not as well known as some other big business school names, but I’d hire a WM undergrad business degree any day.

W&M undergraduate business graduates rank 21st for earnings net of debt payments out of over 1,300 colleges according to the report below. That is better than decent. It ranks 6th out of all publics.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

William and Mary grads with a Bachelors degree make $5500 per month, W&M grads with a Masters make $5700 per month. How many years of making an extra $200 per month would it take to earn back that tuition plus the $66,000 in lost earnings?

$5500 a month is piss. A mortgage in DC is $6000.

Who takes out a mortgage at 22?

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Anonymous wrote:The only reason to submit is because the GPA is low so it doesn’t hurt. But if you had a 4.5 + and a 1380 SAT or 31 ACT you shouldn’t because it would be weak compared to the GPA.

Actually a 1380 is equal to a 30 ACT

But the bottom 25th percentile of last year's incoming class reports having a 32. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp.

With what percentage of students reporting an ACT though?

You can see that in the link. It is 17% at W&M, 16% at UVA, and 9% at VT.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how VT is considered a safety by NOVA parents. Keep the laughs coming!

I wouldn’t say safe. I would say more realistic.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you submit SAT for the following schools:

UVA
W&M
VA Tech

White male, Business major. (Pre business for uva).

I know these are reach schools btw.

Based on <50 percentile I would not, but 1380 is in the 92nd percentile overall and I don’t want them to think it’s like an 1100 if he doesnt submit.

He will be competitive at all of them.

What do you base this on?

Experience. Acceptances of my own two white kids, albeit from LCPS. Similar numbers.

UVA may depends on course rigor and other intangibles and how they construct class rank (I know FCPS doesn’t rank, but believe be the admissions offices do and UVa wants top 10%). Similar for W&M (although why W&M for business?). VT the supplementals matter but the numbers are a stronger fit. Demonstrated interest with admissions counselor assigned to VT also helps.

My two were 3-for-3 with these schools with 1420 and 1150 and 4.66 and 3.98 weighted, respectively.

Hi - Can you elaborate on this? I thought VT doesn't care about demonstrated interest.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you submit SAT for the following schools:

UVA
W&M
VA Tech

White male, Business major. (Pre business for uva).

I know these are reach schools btw.

Based on <50 percentile I would not, but 1380 is in the 92nd percentile overall and I don’t want them to think it’s like an 1100 if he doesnt submit.

He will be competitive at all of them.

What do you base this on?

Experience. Acceptances of my own two white kids, albeit from LCPS. Similar numbers.

UVA may depends on course rigor and other intangibles and how they construct class rank (I know FCPS doesn’t rank, but believe be the admissions offices do and UVa wants top 10%). Similar for W&M (although why W&M for business?). VT the supplementals matter but the numbers are a stronger fit. Demonstrated interest with admissions counselor assigned to VT also helps.

My two were 3-for-3 with these schools with 1420 and 1150 and 4.66 and 3.98 weighted, respectively.

Hi - Can you elaborate on this? I thought VT doesn't care about demonstrated interest.

VT says demonstrated interest does not count. The kids applying to VT from DS's high school would fill their auditorium - I don't think the VT regional admissions counselor was taking notes on attendance.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you submit SAT for the following schools:

UVA
W&M
VA Tech

White male, Business major. (Pre business for uva).

I know these are reach schools btw.

Based on <50 percentile I would not, but 1380 is in the 92nd percentile overall and I don’t want them to think it’s like an 1100 if he doesnt submit.

He will be competitive at all of them.

What do you base this on?

Experience. Acceptances of my own two white kids, albeit from LCPS. Similar numbers.

UVA may depends on course rigor and other intangibles and how they construct class rank (I know FCPS doesn’t rank, but believe be the admissions offices do and UVa wants top 10%). Similar for W&M (although why W&M for business?). VT the supplementals matter but the numbers are a stronger fit. Demonstrated interest with admissions counselor assigned to VT also helps.

My two were 3-for-3 with these schools with 1420 and 1150 and 4.66 and 3.98 weighted, respectively.

Hi - Can you elaborate on this? I thought VT doesn't care about demonstrated interest.

VT says demonstrated interest does not count. The kids applying to VT from DS's high school would fill their auditorium - I don't think the VT regional admissions counselor was taking notes on attendance.

I say this with no data at my disposal, just an observation. This is the first admissions cycle in a while that ED is NOT part of the admissions process. You could argue that demonstrated interest was very important historically with ED and communications describing high stat kids being denied. There also appears to be a surprisingly small number of TJ kids attending considering its the "tech school" of Virginia. Tech will be very interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you submit SAT for the following schools:

UVA
W&M
VA Tech

White male, Business major. (Pre business for uva).

I know these are reach schools btw.

Based on <50 percentile I would not, but 1380 is in the 92nd percentile overall and I don’t want them to think it’s like an 1100 if he doesnt submit.

He will be competitive at all of them.

What do you base this on?

Experience. Acceptances of my own two white kids, albeit from LCPS. Similar numbers.

UVA may depends on course rigor and other intangibles and how they construct class rank (I know FCPS doesn’t rank, but believe be the admissions offices do and UVa wants top 10%). Similar for W&M (although why W&M for business?). VT the supplementals matter but the numbers are a stronger fit. Demonstrated interest with admissions counselor assigned to VT also helps.

My two were 3-for-3 with these schools with 1420 and 1150 and 4.66 and 3.98 weighted, respectively.

Hi - Can you elaborate on this? I thought VT doesn't care about demonstrated interest.

VT says demonstrated interest does not count. The kids applying to VT from DS's high school would fill their auditorium - I don't think the VT regional admissions counselor was taking notes on attendance.

I say this with no data at my disposal, just an observation. This is the first admissions cycle in a while that ED is NOT part of the admissions process. You could argue that demonstrated interest was very important historically with ED and communications describing high stat kids being denied. There also appears to be a surprisingly small number of TJ kids attending considering its the "tech school" of Virginia. Tech will be very interesting.

Tech has routinely been rejecting high stats kids out of TJ to protect yield.. Kids that got into UVA, UMD, UIUC, Michigan, Purdue, Cornell, etc. Word spreads..

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Anonymous wrote:APS doesn’t rank students. How can someone claim anyone outside of the top 5% gets excluded?

Same with FCPS. How do they know the rank?

High Schools provide school profiles to each college you apply to. In that profiles is a breakdown of about what gpa you need to be top 5%, top 10%, etc. Its all available. Admissions definitely know who is top 5% and who is not.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you submit SAT for the following schools:

UVA
W&M
VA Tech

White male, Business major. (Pre business for uva).

I know these are reach schools btw.

Based on <50 percentile I would not, but 1380 is in the 92nd percentile overall and I don’t want them to think it’s like an 1100 if he doesnt submit.

He will be competitive at all of them.

What do you base this on?

Experience. Acceptances of my own two white kids, albeit from LCPS. Similar numbers.

UVA may depends on course rigor and other intangibles and how they construct class rank (I know FCPS doesn’t rank, but believe be the admissions offices do and UVa wants top 10%). Similar for W&M (although why W&M for business?). VT the supplementals matter but the numbers are a stronger fit. Demonstrated interest with admissions counselor assigned to VT also helps.

My two were 3-for-3 with these schools with 1420 and 1150 and 4.66 and 3.98 weighted, respectively.

Hi - Can you elaborate on this? I thought VT doesn't care about demonstrated interest.

VT says demonstrated interest does not count. The kids applying to VT from DS's high school would fill their auditorium - I don't think the VT regional admissions counselor was taking notes on attendance.

I say this with no data at my disposal, just an observation. This is the first admissions cycle in a while that ED is NOT part of the admissions process. You could argue that demonstrated interest was very important historically with ED and communications describing high stat kids being denied. There also appears to be a surprisingly small number of TJ kids attending considering its the "tech school" of Virginia. Tech will be very interesting.

Tech has routinely been rejecting high stats kids out of TJ to protect yield.. Kids that got into UVA, UMD, UIUC, Michigan, Purdue, Cornell, etc. Word spreads..

PP, yep. Wonder if that will now change since they got rid of ED??

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you submit SAT for the following schools:

UVA
W&M
VA Tech

White male, Business major. (Pre business for uva).

I know these are reach schools btw.

Based on <50 percentile I would not, but 1380 is in the 92nd percentile overall and I don’t want them to think it’s like an 1100 if he doesnt submit.

He will be competitive at all of them.

What do you base this on?

Experience. Acceptances of my own two white kids, albeit from LCPS. Similar numbers.

UVA may depends on course rigor and other intangibles and how they construct class rank (I know FCPS doesn’t rank, but believe be the admissions offices do and UVa wants top 10%). Similar for W&M (although why W&M for business?). VT the supplementals matter but the numbers are a stronger fit. Demonstrated interest with admissions counselor assigned to VT also helps.

My two were 3-for-3 with these schools with 1420 and 1150 and 4.66 and 3.98 weighted, respectively.

Hi - Can you elaborate on this? I thought VT doesn't care about demonstrated interest.

VT says demonstrated interest does not count. The kids applying to VT from DS's high school would fill their auditorium - I don't think the VT regional admissions counselor was taking notes on attendance.

I say this with no data at my disposal, just an observation. This is the first admissions cycle in a while that ED is NOT part of the admissions process. You could argue that demonstrated interest was very important historically with ED and communications describing high stat kids being denied. There also appears to be a surprisingly small number of TJ kids attending considering its the "tech school" of Virginia. Tech will be very interesting.

Tech has routinely been rejecting high stats kids out of TJ to protect yield.. Kids that got into UVA, UMD, UIUC, Michigan, Purdue, Cornell, etc. Word spreads..

PP, yep. Wonder if that will now change since they got rid of ED??

Not sure.. Other schools have stepped up.. UMD and NorthEastern gave my kid enough money to make the cost come down to about the same as UVA, Purdue doesn't cost that much more that VA instate, etc. and all of these are decidedly better schools that Tech.(saying that as a Tech alum). Tech's priorities seem to be different.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you submit SAT for the following schools:

UVA
W&M
VA Tech

White male, Business major. (Pre business for uva).

I know these are reach schools btw.

Based on <50 percentile I would not, but 1380 is in the 92nd percentile overall and I don’t want them to think it’s like an 1100 if he doesnt submit.

He will be competitive at all of them.

What do you base this on?

Experience. Acceptances of my own two white kids, albeit from LCPS. Similar numbers.

UVA may depends on course rigor and other intangibles and how they construct class rank (I know FCPS doesn’t rank, but believe be the admissions offices do and UVa wants top 10%). Similar for W&M (although why W&M for business?). VT the supplementals matter but the numbers are a stronger fit. Demonstrated interest with admissions counselor assigned to VT also helps.

My two were 3-for-3 with these schools with 1420 and 1150 and 4.66 and 3.98 weighted, respectively.

Hi - Can you elaborate on this? I thought VT doesn't care about demonstrated interest.

VT says demonstrated interest does not count. The kids applying to VT from DS's high school would fill their auditorium - I don't think the VT regional admissions counselor was taking notes on attendance.

I say this with no data at my disposal, just an observation. This is the first admissions cycle in a while that ED is NOT part of the admissions process. You could argue that demonstrated interest was very important historically with ED and communications describing high stat kids being denied. There also appears to be a surprisingly small number of TJ kids attending considering its the "tech school" of Virginia. Tech will be very interesting.

Tech has routinely been rejecting high stats kids out of TJ to protect yield.. Kids that got into UVA, UMD, UIUC, Michigan, Purdue, Cornell, etc. Word spreads..

PP, yep. Wonder if that will now change since they got rid of ED??

Not sure.. Other schools have stepped up.. UMD and NorthEastern gave my kid enough money to make the cost come down to about the same as UVA, Purdue doesn't cost that much more that VA instate, etc. and all of these are decidedly better schools that Tech.(saying that as a Tech alum). Tech's priorities seem to be different.

PP, my kid from NOVA got enough merit from UMD to make it comparable to UVA! He didn't bother applying to Tech.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with a previous poster that this system is broken. The gamesmanship just cannot be what schools intended with test-optional. My son also has a 1380, which is why I clicked on this, and he is submitting it everywhere. It’s a good score and he worked hard for it. A school that would reject him KNOWING that many test-optional students didn’t score nearly as well is really not a school worth going to.

It may just be me, but I feel like university admissions are a lottery. I had a kid that scored a 35 (first sitting) on the ACT with a good GPA.

Good take. Never heard that before.

For around 20 schools, random lottery.

For around 30 additional schools, hard to read.

For literally every other school: pretty straightforward.

NYU (for example) had 120,000 applications last year for 5,700 seats, that’s a 5% admit rate, I can’t imagine anything they care less about than whether you are confused about their test policy or not. Shut up and apply, dummy.

BTW at $80 per applicant that’s $9.6 Million in revenue where 95% of the players lose, and the winners get to hand them $95k a year for four years.

Literally better odds playing roulette at a casino.

The number of applicants will go up in 2024.

Funny you use NYU for your straightforward example. NYU does not include more than 25% of admitted freshman in those stats. If the applicant's acceptance is moved to the school of Liberal Studies, they don't include that in their admissions stats, that is 25% of first years. If admitted to a First Year Away program, also not included in the stats.

If you doubled NYU’s acceptance rate it’s still below 10%.

The important part is the 120k applicants, that’s 2x Columbia. DOUBLE.

Entirely possible NYU will be more selective than several Ivies by 2030 which is bonkers for a school that a commuter college in the Bronx and was ready to file for bankruptcy in the early 1970’s.

It’s the original “Northeastern” that went from zero to hero capitalizing on what modern applicants want.