It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t have happened. That was the strength of his foreign policy. No one wanted to be on the receiving end of batsh*t crazy.

Now the know America will do nothing.

+1. Only two wars so far started under Biden but hey, still another 14 months to go.

Putin would not have needed to invade Ukraine, because the Orange Man would have given Putin Ukraine.

This. Trump would have handed Ukraine over to Russia with no support. He invited the Taliban to Camp David (and left the Afghani Govt out) which led to the awful withdrawal, he gave the Saudi govt to assimilate that journalist and he betrayed Kurdish allies in support of Russia.

There was nothing peaceful or stabilizing about Trump’s chaotic foreign policy approach. The only consistent things were him kissing Putin’s a&$ and grifting his way through the Middle East and his daughter through China.

Trump's foreign policy is to make nice with evil dictators. It was horrifying watching him kowtow to them.

-former R

I doubt you're a former R.

I am not a R and never was but even I acknowledge there were realist aspects to Trump's foreign policy that now makes even more sense in light of the events of the last few years. But I know there are posters on here who cannot see him as anything but the Devil reincarnate so it's pointless having these threads.

DP What was his foreign policy? Other than “I need you to do me a favor though” because he was impeached for that.

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So it turns out Bibi is responsible for Hamas. This story will come out soon. It is so Trumpian.

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Anonymous wrote:So it turns out Bibi is responsible for Hamas. This story will come out soon. It is so Trumpian.

A failure of the security state so massive does feel a little… not real. Like Trump revealed secrets or as if it was allowed to happen in order to declare war. And it’s going to be so horrific for civilians on both sides.

I’m just glad Trump is no longer in office.

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I heard Trump on C-SPAN radio yesterday, talking from a Monday event. He was making a reptillian call for Jews to vote for him.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, let's just wait and see if some of the intelligence Trump gave to foreign governments helped this war along.

Bingo. Bibi has already said there were security breaches. Do we really think those came from Israeli soldiers?

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t have happened. That was the strength of his foreign policy. No one wanted to be on the receiving end of batsh*t crazy.

Now the know America will do nothing.

Lol the strength of his foreign policy? The guy who saluted North Korean general, sold a journalist, and congratulated Putin?

DP. Wow. Someone has a very selective memory:

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t have happened. That was the strength of his foreign policy. No one wanted to be on the receiving end of batsh*t crazy.

Now the know America will do nothing.

+1. Only two wars so far started under Biden but hey, still another 14 months to go.

Putin would not have needed to invade Ukraine, because the Orange Man would have given Putin Ukraine.

This. Trump would have handed Ukraine over to Russia with no support. He invited the Taliban to Camp David (and left the Afghani Govt out) which led to the awful withdrawal, he gave the Saudi govt to assimilate that journalist and he betrayed Kurdish allies in support of Russia.

There was nothing peaceful or stabilizing about Trump’s chaotic foreign policy approach. The only consistent things were him kissing Putin’s a&$ and grifting his way through the Middle East and his daughter through China.

Trump's foreign policy is to make nice with evil dictators. It was horrifying watching him kowtow to them.

-former R

I doubt you're a former R.

I am not a R and never was but even I acknowledge there were realist aspects to Trump's foreign policy that now makes even more sense in light of the events of the last few years. But I know there are posters on here who cannot see him as anything but the Devil reincarnate so it's pointless having these threads.

DP What was his foreign policy? Other than “I need you to do me a favor though” because he was impeached for that.

:crickets:

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The current climate and destabilization we are seeing is the lasting effects of the Trump presidency.

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Anonymous wrote:So it turns out Bibi is responsible for Hamas. This story will come out soon. It is so Trumpian.

The opinion pieces are already coming out that this is a direct result of Netanyahu’s policies over the years.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, thank god Trump isn't President. By now he would have made up some lie about how the US had definitive evidence that Iran ordered the Hamas attack, and he would have scribbled with a sharpie on a napkin that he sent with some 25 yo Republican aide to the Joint Chief Milley ordering the US to nuke Iran.

He would have said North Korea and Russia are such good friends that he was gonna make them give weapons to Israel thus saving the US taxpayers money.

Meanwhile Trump would be encouraging Netanyahu to take the moment to shove the the vote on the Israeli Supreme Court thru and declare some kind of authoritarian state of emergency ensuring his power forever. (Which Bibi would love to do because otherwise at the end of this war, he would have to resign in shame when the magnitude of his failures becomes clear.)

Then Trump would probably promise to move the US Embassy to Gaza.

Melania would be busy bumping reporters off the plane scheduled to visit Israel in order to fit several extra suitcases of clothing.

The Joint Chiefs would be running around trying to figure out if it's legal to carry out napkin orders, and back-channeling to Bolton, who would probably be completely out of the loop and torn by his hatred of Iran but still clinging to the intellectual reality that starting a nuclear war probably isn't a good idea. Bolton would be skulking in the Office of the NSC Exec Sec every day rifling thru the outbox and pulling any papers that looked like they could be an official order from the Commander in Chief. Thankfully for Bolton, thy'll never be such an order because Meadows would have assigned the drafting to yet another completely unqualified 25 yo white male recent graduate, and the best he would be able to come up with would be an improvement on the napkin, but still only be crayon on lined paper.

Jared would be busy figuring what kind of settlement he could push for that he could monetize for future Israeli and Saudi contributions to his post-presidency investment fund. Ivanka would have flown in immediately to do humanitarian pics with Israeli mothers. At home at night Jared and Ivanka would probably be arguing about whether it's more important to secure their financial future with the Arab world or her dream of inheriting the presidency from her dad.

This is sadly very accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of delusional people here. None of this would have even happened if Trump had won. Turns out mean tweeting and then doing selective strikes when some nutjob leader pushes a boundary is fairly effective to keep people in line.

There's a reason foreign policy was not a topic in the last Presidential debates- there was nothing to debate!

Our foreign policy became weaker under Trump.

-former R

I'm not sure how you can say that with a straight face when we had several years of world peace for the first time in decades under Trump.

That was correlation rather than causation.

Once again, Trump weakened NATO, so Putin didn't feel the need to invade Ukraine. Once Trump left office, Putin knew that Biden would go back to supporting NATO. Hence the attack on Ukraine to create a buffer between western Europe and Russia.

Trump's foreign policy is basically to capitulate to evil dictators. I suppose to MAGA, that's how they role. They like evil dictators.

Well yeah how about not tormenting Putin with NATO and avoiding a big war? Works for me!
There are too many evil dictators the US doesn’t care about - how about we don’t care indiscriminately?

so, you agree that the only reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine under Trump's regime is because Trump wanted to weaken NATO, our allies, right?

A weak NATO is also a weaker US.

And Putin has been tormenting its neighbors for many years; he has been wanting to reanimate the USSR for a while. That is a threat against peace and stability in Europe and the world.

I think we should have left Russia alone, that’s what I think.
No tampering with Georgia Republic or Ukraine or whatever countries in his orbit so to speak
I don’t believe in NATO growth for growth’s sake
It may not sound right but it may have saved many innocent people from being in the war

NATO is a defensive alliance. It doesn't "grow for growth's sake". It doesn't seek out new members. Instead it has what is called an "open door policy". States who have an interest in Euro-Atlantic security and who are stable democracies capable of contributing to security can *apply* to be members. They must be voted in by all NATO members. "Open Door Policy" means that no country outside of NATO can determine who is in NATO.

Those countries who sought NATO membership did so at the behest of their national leadership and citizens. Since the devolution of the Soviet Union under Gorbachev, the states that have joined - Czechia, Slovakia, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Hungary, Romania - all applied out of well-justified historic fear of being attacked by Russia.

As for the idea of the US and Russia carving up the world into agreed upon spheres of influence - well Yalta didn't really work out well for those who were carved up there. We don't need a second Yalta in which Russia is given power over countries whose influence it couldn't earn by example or practice. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and created "statelets" run by criminal elite who didn't know how to run the government. Instead they just trashed the place.

Nobody entertains the idea of joining NATO unless they are given a hint that there is hope.
As for Yalta, it worked out well enough in that there were no wars in Europe
Good enough for me!

Plenty of countries have publicly aspired to join NATO and have been waiting for years to do so - Bosnia, Georgia and Ukraine. Sweden would also like to join, but because Turkey, a current NATO member, has beef with the swedes about how the Swedes handle some Kurds that Turkey views as terrorists, Erdogan refers to sign the treaty allow them to accede.

When Poland, Hungary and Slovenia first aspired to join NATO, it was so unthinkable that the US and other NATO members made ip a program called "Partnership for Peace" as a holding place where those armies/countries could work on their democracies and military interoperability and capabilities and civilian control of military necessary for NATO membership. Poland joined PfP in 1994 and did not become a full NATO member until 1999. Slovenia joined in 1994 and did not enter NATO until 2004.

Read more here about how Poland's path to NATO was "not easy and certain", and how involved the Polish diaspora in the US was in pushing for Polish NATO membership.

As for Yalta "working out well enough that there were no wars in Europe", you might consider that "peace" in Europe came at the cost of the subjugation of millions in Europe and at times invasion and installation of puppet governments (1956 Soviet Invasion of Hungary, 1968 Warsaw Pact invasion Of Czechoslovakia). People were not allowed to leave to travel or work abroad, were not permitted to have newspapers or books from the West, many dissidents spent years in jail, etc.

Your lack of knowledge about history and the outside world is shocking.

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Anonymous wrote:Was just reading Biden's statement on Israel/ Hamas and thinking - it's EXACTLY these times that Trump would have gone bananas and done something batsh*t.

That is funny!!!

Since Biden has taken office we have lost in Afghanistan and gave the Taliban and terrorists military equiopment through Biden's disaster

Russia invades Ukraine

Biden alienates Saudis to the point Trump's work on Saudi-Israeli peace talks fail

Iran shoots missles are US embassy in Iraq

Biden gives Iran 6 BILLION DOLLARS!!! Iran uses it to fun Hamas which in turn makes Biden the number one Hamas donation giver

War in Israel.


Under Trump:
Good economy
No new wars
Russia in check
Iran in check
China in check
low energy costs
massive wealth growth
lowest Black unemployment in history
Booming housing market
Booming Stock market
Massive wealth creation

Under Biden:
Massive inflation
Skyrocketing energy costs
Massive rise in food costs
More credit card defaults in American history
Americans spending 720 extra a month to just survive
Russia invades Ukraine
Iran shoots US embassy with missiles
Biden donates 6 billion to Hamas
Palestine massacres innocent Israelis sparking a war
Stagnant wages
Massive rise in auto and home loan defaults

You have to ask yourself...are you and the world better off under Biden? The answer for many of us is no...the answer for Israel is no...the answer for world peace is no.

Poll numbers don't lie, they see the fact this regime has literally turn America into a laughing stock.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of delusional people here. None of this would have even happened if Trump had won. Turns out mean tweeting and then doing selective strikes when some nutjob leader pushes a boundary is fairly effective to keep people in line.

There's a reason foreign policy was not a topic in the last Presidential debates- there was nothing to debate!

Our foreign policy became weaker under Trump.

-former R

I'm not sure how you can say that with a straight face when we had several years of world peace for the first time in decades under Trump.

That was correlation rather than causation.

Once again, Trump weakened NATO, so Putin didn't feel the need to invade Ukraine. Once Trump left office, Putin knew that Biden would go back to supporting NATO. Hence the attack on Ukraine to create a buffer between western Europe and Russia.

Trump's foreign policy is basically to capitulate to evil dictators. I suppose to MAGA, that's how they role. They like evil dictators.

Well yeah how about not tormenting Putin with NATO and avoiding a big war? Works for me!
There are too many evil dictators the US doesn’t care about - how about we don’t care indiscriminately?

so, you agree that the only reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine under Trump's regime is because Trump wanted to weaken NATO, our allies, right?

A weak NATO is also a weaker US.

And Putin has been tormenting its neighbors for many years; he has been wanting to reanimate the USSR for a while. That is a threat against peace and stability in Europe and the world.

I think we should have left Russia alone, that’s what I think.
No tampering with Georgia Republic or Ukraine or whatever countries in his orbit so to speak
I don’t believe in NATO growth for growth’s sake
It may not sound right but it may have saved many innocent people from being in the war

that's a populist view, not Reagan view.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t have happened. That was the strength of his foreign policy. No one wanted to be on the receiving end of batsh*t crazy.

Now the know America will do nothing.

+1. Only two wars so far started under Biden but hey, still another 14 months to go.

Putin would not have needed to invade Ukraine, because the Orange Man would have given Putin Ukraine.

This. Trump would have handed Ukraine over to Russia with no support. He invited the Taliban to Camp David (and left the Afghani Govt out) which led to the awful withdrawal, he gave the Saudi govt to assimilate that journalist and he betrayed Kurdish allies in support of Russia.

There was nothing peaceful or stabilizing about Trump’s chaotic foreign policy approach. The only consistent things were him kissing Putin’s a&$ and grifting his way through the Middle East and his daughter through China.

Trump's foreign policy is to make nice with evil dictators. It was horrifying watching him kowtow to them.

-former R

I doubt you're a former R.

I am not a R and never was but even I acknowledge there were realist aspects to Trump's foreign policy that now makes even more sense in light of the events of the last few years. But I know there are posters on here who cannot see him as anything but the Devil reincarnate so it's pointless having these threads.

You're not a R and have never been, so you have no idea what the Reagan R's worldview was like. Your view is more inline with populists, like the RINOs of today. The Reagan R want to fund Ukraine; the RINO populists do not.

yes, I am a former R, and I fully support funding Ukraine. Putin needs to be pushed back.

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Anonymous wrote:Was just reading Biden's statement on Israel/ Hamas and thinking - it's EXACTLY these times that Trump would have gone bananas and done something batsh*t.

That is funny!!!

Since Biden has taken office we have lost in Afghanistan and gave the Taliban and terrorists military equiopment through Biden's disaster

Russia invades Ukraine

Biden alienates Saudis to the point Trump's work on Saudi-Israeli peace talks fail

Iran shoots missles are US embassy in Iraq

Biden gives Iran 6 BILLION DOLLARS!!! Iran uses it to fun Hamas which in turn makes Biden the number one Hamas donation giver

War in Israel.


Under Trump:
Good economy
No new wars
Russia in check
Iran in check
China in check
low energy costs
massive wealth growth
lowest Black unemployment in history
Booming housing market
Booming Stock market
Massive wealth creation

Under Biden:
Massive inflation
Skyrocketing energy costs
Massive rise in food costs
More credit card defaults in American history
Americans spending 720 extra a month to just survive
Russia invades Ukraine
Iran shoots US embassy with missiles
Biden donates 6 billion to Hamas
Palestine massacres innocent Israelis sparking a war
Stagnant wages
Massive rise in auto and home loan defaults

You have to ask yourself...are you and the world better off under Biden? The answer for many of us is no...the answer for Israel is no...the answer for world peace is no.

Poll numbers don't lie, they see the fact this regime has literally turn America into a laughing stock.

You are sadly misinformed (no surprise). We did not "lose" Afghanistan. Trump started the pull out with his brand of negotiations with the Taliban.

We lost Afghanistan, the minute the US entered Iraq to get Hussein.