For Which Elite Colleges and Universities Would You Pay Full Price ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(OP here. Thank you for all of your responses.)

Just finished looking over a study titled Revealed Preferences in Ranking of Colleges from 2004 (almost 20 years ago). The group studied 105 colleges & universities and listed them together in order of preference from #1 to #105. Below, I separate the schools into two broad categories: National Universities and LACs (although the #30 preferred school--Furman University--falls into neither category and the same for the #82 school--Rose Hulman Inst. of Tech.)

From a 2004 study, list in order of preferred colleges and universities:

National Universities:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Stanford
4) CalTech
5) MIT

6) Princeton
7) Brown
8) Columbia
9) Dartmouth (among both LACs & Nat'l Universities, Amherst College, the first LAC to be listed, was #9).
10) U Penn

11) Notre Dame
12) Cornell
13) Georgetown
14) Rice
15) Duke

16) Virginia
17) Northwestern
18) UCal-Berkeley
19) Georgia Tech
20) U Chicago

21) Johns Hopkins
22) USC
23) UNC-Chapel hill
24) Vanderbilt
25) UCLA

26) Texas-Austin
27) NYU
28) Tufts
29) Michigan
30) Illinois

31) Carnegie Mellon (CMU)
32) U Maryland
33) College of William & Mary
34) Wake Forest U. (WFU)
35) U Miami

36) Emory
37) WashUStL
38) SMU
39) Lehigh
40) RPI

41) Fla. State (FSU)
42) UC-Santa Barbara
43) George Washington (GWU)
44) Fordham
45) Catolic U.

46) U Colorado
47) Wisconsin
48) ASU (Arizona State)
49) UC-Santa Cruz
50) Boston University

51) UC-San Diego
52) Tulane
53) Case Western Reserve
54) Indiana
55) Penn State

56) American U.
57) U Washington-Seattle
58) U Rochester
59) Purdue
60) Syracuse
61) Loyola (did not specify which campus/city)

Liberal Arts Colleges:

1) Amherst College
2) Wellesley College
3) Swarthmore College
4) Williams College
5) Pomona College

6) Middlebury College
7) Wesleyan University
8) Barnard
9) Oberlin
10) Carleton College

11) Davidson College
12) Wash & Lee
13) Vassar
14) Grinnell
15) Bowdoin College

16) Claremont McKenna College (CMC)
17) Macalester
18) Colgate
19) Smith
20) Haverford

21) Mount Holyoke
22) Conn College
23) Bates
24) Kenyon
25) Occidental College

26) Bryn Mawr
27) Holy Cross
28) Reed
29) Colby
30) Sarah Lawrence

31) Bucknell
32) Wheaton (Illinois)
33) U Richmond
34) Trinity Coll. (Conn)
35) Colorado College

36) Hamilton
37) Lewis & Clark
38) Wheaton (Mass.)
39) Clark
40) Skidmore
41) Scripps

Again, this study is almost 20 years old.

Obviously UVA booster pretending not to be.

Wrongo Bucko. Wasn't my study--just sharing the results.

I have seen Virginia rednecks use the term "Wrongo Bucko" before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(OP here. Thank you for all of your responses.)

Just finished looking over a study titled Revealed Preferences in Ranking of Colleges from 2004 (almost 20 years ago). The group studied 105 colleges & universities and listed them together in order of preference from #1 to #105. Below, I separate the schools into two broad categories: National Universities and LACs (although the #30 preferred school--Furman University--falls into neither category and the same for the #82 school--Rose Hulman Inst. of Tech.)

From a 2004 study, list in order of preferred colleges and universities:

National Universities:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Stanford
4) CalTech
5) MIT

6) Princeton
7) Brown
8) Columbia
9) Dartmouth (among both LACs & Nat'l Universities, Amherst College, the first LAC to be listed, was #9).
10) U Penn

11) Notre Dame
12) Cornell
13) Georgetown
14) Rice
15) Duke

16) Virginia
17) Northwestern
18) UCal-Berkeley
19) Georgia Tech
20) U Chicago

21) Johns Hopkins
22) USC
23) UNC-Chapel hill
24) Vanderbilt
25) UCLA

26) Texas-Austin
27) NYU
28) Tufts
29) Michigan
30) Illinois

31) Carnegie Mellon (CMU)
32) U Maryland
33) College of William & Mary
34) Wake Forest U. (WFU)
35) U Miami

36) Emory
37) WashUStL
38) SMU
39) Lehigh
40) RPI

41) Fla. State (FSU)
42) UC-Santa Barbara
43) George Washington (GWU)
44) Fordham
45) Catolic U.

46) U Colorado
47) Wisconsin
48) ASU (Arizona State)
49) UC-Santa Cruz
50) Boston University

51) UC-San Diego
52) Tulane
53) Case Western Reserve
54) Indiana
55) Penn State

56) American U.
57) U Washington-Seattle
58) U Rochester
59) Purdue
60) Syracuse
61) Loyola (did not specify which campus/city)

Liberal Arts Colleges:

1) Amherst College
2) Wellesley College
3) Swarthmore College
4) Williams College
5) Pomona College

6) Middlebury College
7) Wesleyan University
8) Barnard
9) Oberlin
10) Carleton College

11) Davidson College
12) Wash & Lee
13) Vassar
14) Grinnell
15) Bowdoin College

16) Claremont McKenna College (CMC)
17) Macalester
18) Colgate
19) Smith
20) Haverford

21) Mount Holyoke
22) Conn College
23) Bates
24) Kenyon
25) Occidental College

26) Bryn Mawr
27) Holy Cross
28) Reed
29) Colby
30) Sarah Lawrence

31) Bucknell
32) Wheaton (Illinois)
33) U Richmond
34) Trinity Coll. (Conn)
35) Colorado College

36) Hamilton
37) Lewis & Clark
38) Wheaton (Mass.)
39) Clark
40) Skidmore
41) Scripps

Again, this study is almost 20 years old.

Obviously UVA booster pretending not to be.

Wrongo Bucko. Wasn't my study--just sharing the results.

I have seen Virginia rednecks use the term "Wrongo Bucko" before.

Darn. There is just no fooling some folks. You're FBI--aren't you ? Right ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, and UChicago.

MIT/Caltech if they're insistent on engineering.

Not paying full freight over 4 years for Northwestern. Sorry.

Okay. We'll take you off the list. Thanks for the heads-up.

Never wanted to be on the Northwestern "list" in the first place.

I'm on for the others

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, and UChicago.

MIT/Caltech if they're insistent on engineering.

Not paying full freight over 4 years for Northwestern. Sorry.

Okay. We'll take you off the list. Thanks for the heads-up.

Never wanted to be on the Northwestern "list" in the first place.

I'm on for the others

No kidding. I think everyone understands that you have an issue with NU.

[Anonymous]

We let our kids pick their colleges. Had we needed to take a loan out for one and not another, we would have asked for an explanation why they felt the more expensive was better. If they could convincingly articulate how they would learn more at the more expensive school, we would’ve done our best to support them regardless of choice. In the end they both chose LACs but no loans were needed.

[Anonymous]

Who in their right minds would pay full freight for UPenn?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who in their right minds would pay full freight for UPenn?

U Penn-Wharton is worth the investment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who in their right minds would pay full freight for UPenn?

? A lot of people. It’s a top school, I’d argue equal to or better than Yale at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, and UChicago.

MIT/Caltech if they're insistent on engineering.

Not paying full freight over 4 years for Northwestern. Sorry.

Okay. We'll take you off the list. Thanks for the heads-up.

Hey Charlie!

What?

Take 13:29 off the list for Northwestern.

(Leafs through thick log book) Got it! No Northwestern for 13:29!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who in their right minds would pay full freight for UPenn?

Lol I don’t have CDS in front of me but I would bet 40% of the class pays full freight.

[Anonymous]

HYPSM plus Hopkins, Cal Tech and Georgetown.


That's because we can afford any college.

As a PP said, I would never take out loans to pay for college, even the ones above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

HYPSM plus Hopkins, Cal Tech and Georgetown.


That's because we can afford any college.

As a PP said, I would never take out loans to pay for college, even the ones above.

Federal direct undergrad loans have a 5.5% interest rate for this school year and were just under 5% for last year. It isn't a terrible idea to have your kids take loans at this rate (especially if you can help with repayment). You would have almost certainly done a lot better over the last year taking loans and leaving the $$ invested in an index fund.

Some debt isn't awful, especially when your money is doing well elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

HYPSM plus Hopkins, Cal Tech and Georgetown.


That's because we can afford any college.

As a PP said, I would never take out loans to pay for college, even the ones above.

Georgetown and Hopkins over Penn and Duke? That needs explanation, the ROI on Penn and Duke are probably a decent amount better. I’m guessing proximity to home?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

HYPSM plus Hopkins, Cal Tech and Georgetown.


That's because we can afford any college.

As a PP said, I would never take out loans to pay for college, even the ones above.

Georgetown and Hopkins over Penn and Duke? That needs explanation, the ROI on Penn and Duke are probably a decent amount better. I’m guessing proximity to home?

If you got into a few of those other schools and let Duke know, they are likely to find some $$ for you too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

HYPSM plus Hopkins, Cal Tech and Georgetown.


That's because we can afford any college.

As a PP said, I would never take out loans to pay for college, even the ones above.

Georgetown and Hopkins over Penn and Duke? That needs explanation, the ROI on Penn and Duke are probably a decent amount better. I’m guessing proximity to home?

Duke has always felt more southern to me than some like to admit both in terms of leadership and students. They are always looking to strengthen that old "Duke family" as President Price has said.