was 1/6 an insurrection and are we in the throes of a civil war?
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Anonymous
Or your stretching to make this out to be much worse than it was because you hate these people politically. |
Anonymous
It’s not “both sides”. I’d be equally appalled at trespassing and interruption of government proceedings during the BK hearings being stretched into insurrection/revolution charges. I’d feel the same way about the attacks on the federal courthouse in Portland. But believe me that it wouldn’t take many changes to the indictments in the Jan 6 cases to be applied to the people trying to stop the BK confirmation hearings. |
Anonymous
The people trying to overthrow our democracy? Didn't realize that was a political difference. Also, the proud boys trials have proven that there was a cache of weapons at their nova hotel room and a self-described quick reaction force ready to bring them in once trump utilized the Insurrection Act. So please stop gaslighting. |
Anonymous
Except for that whole trying to overthrow the election part. It's kind of a big distinction. |
Anonymous
But the vast majority of Jan 6 defendants are facing charges for disorderly conduct (and such type offenses), entering and remaining in a restricted space, protesting in the capitol building and interrupting official government proceedings. All of which would be applicable to the BK hearing protestors, even if the intent is different. |
Anonymous
You are absolutely both siding this even if that isn't your intention. The idea that you think what happened on 1/6 is now being stretched by the DOJ and prosecutors into insurrection/revolution, when, you know, it actually was based on the guilty pleas and the guilty convictions, is actually quite stunning. The reason the BK protesters were not charged as such was because they were not trying to overthrow the government. But sure, in your mind, they are the same. 
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Anonymous
Not if you expect equal justice under the law. You’re kinda proving the allegation that this is political. The law doesn’t say: it is illegal to interrupt government proceedings to prevent an electoral count but it is okay to interrupt BK confirmation hearings. The law doesn’t say: it is illegal to trespass and remain in the capitol building to stop and electoral count but it is legal to trespass and remain in the capital to prevent/protest BK hearings. Again, this isn’t a defense of the J6 rioters. But your distinctions only matter if you bring politics into it. |
Anonymous
No, they actually had weapons and a full military scale plan. That is why they are spending the next couple of decades in jail. Maybe read the indictment and conviction papers so you can see the evidence, you know, primary sources, yourself. Don't believe me, read what some of these folks have voluntarily plead guilty to. |
Anonymous
LOL actually it does. Well not exactly. The people who interrupted the BK hearings could certainly have been brought up on disorderly conduct charges. But the charges around a seditious conspiracy and disrupting a constitutionally mandated action is distinct and separate. Maybe read up on what these people have been charged and convicted of before you comment. |
Anonymous
Let me clarify: I don’t believe that J6 was an insurrection/revolution and neither does DOJ. A tiny minority of the defendants charged out of J6 faced indictments that fall into the family of “insurrection/revolution”. Indeed, even amongst the longest sentences handed out, once you get past the Proud Boys leaders, the serious sentences are for assuaging police. Once you get past the proud boys and assaulting police charges; Then, the overwhelming majority of indictments are for disorderly conduct type offenses. And yes, the BK hearing protestors meet the elements for the crimes that the vast vast majority of J6 rioters have faced. If you can’t see it, then you’re the one blinded by political bias. |
Anonymous
You clearly have no idea how prosecution works. You indict for the most prosecutable crimes. The prosecuting documents outline the seditious conspiracy, but the indictments are for the things that were cut and dried, no-brainer convictions. Understand, there were several classes of people on the mall and at the Capitol. 1) the "normies" as the Oath Keepers and Proud boys called them. These are the regular people who bought into the hype of a revolution and provided cover for the paramiliary that were on site. These are the people who generally got 30 days to a few months for being in restricted areas and otherwise being disorderly at the Capitol 2) the paramilitary participants - these are the oath keeper and proud boys members who partook in the planned activities, who coordinated and communicated locations and movements 3) the field organizers - these are the ones who were sentenced this week, the Biggs.Tarrios of the plan. The ones who have not been indicted yet, the planners on the other side, the Roger Stones, Ali's people of that ilk and the funders, like the publix Grocery Store heiress, Ginni Thomas and people of that ilk. I hope/suspect those are coming. |
Anonymous
Imagine if the people storming Congress were non-white. Would you think it was just a protest gone wrong as well? |
Anonymous
+1 And would Tucker be lying to you and saying that none of them had weapons? |
Anonymous
| I don’t think it would be like a literal civil war. More like fringe nuts or something like The Troubles in Ireland. |
Anonymous
This. |