s/o ideological politics of MoCo

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do know that the more educated a person is, the more likely they are to vote as a Democrat? Look it it. Voting patterns largely line-up with education level.

I don't think anyone is complaining about voting Democrat. It's voting ultra-progressive that is a problem. And that is just a segment of the Democratic spectrum. About 12% of the registered party (nationally).

Nobody on the County Council is "ultra-progressive", not even your bugaboos.

Come on man. Kristin Mink is as far-left and insane as it gets.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Upcounty barely votes. Silver Spring, Kensington, Garrett Park, and Bethesda vote like their lives depend on it.

If upcounty came out to vote in anywhere near the same percentages, we'd have moderates in office. Dawn Luedtke and Marilyn Balcombe are proof. But they are here because they are district Councilmembers. Upcounty won't see an at-large moderate until they actually get off their butts and vote.

It can't just be upcountry though. Normal people are everywhere. Again, what percent of MoCo is woke to the point of Kristin Mink-level insanity? 10? 20%? It can't be that high can it?

Normal people are everywhere, but in many districts, they get drowned out by super-progressives.

If you watch Council public hearings, you will see a very small group of fanatical progressives who testify at every single public hearing. They are small but they are very loud, and that's who the Council listens to. Because their voices are so loud, the Council naturally feels those are the prevailing opinions. And they manage their bills, amendments, and votes accordingly.

Normal people are everywhere, and they vote. The idea that the Council is made up of "super progressives" is bonkers.

Then how did we end up with males playing girls' sports (I know that's the BOE), a county that businesses are allergic to, and a "Racial Equity & Social Justice Policy" ? These are all far-left aka super progressive. Heck, even CE Elrich is a card-carrying DSA member.

That was the last 9 member Council and Elrich’s first term that did all that. The 11 member Council is a tad more sane.

Counterpoint: Kristin Mink

Oh, did the voters elect someone you disagree with? Well, that happens.

Do you think Kristin Mink is a good council member? Other than promoting drag queen story hour and calling African and Arab immigrants white supremacists because they don't want their kids taught gender ideology what has she done?

How about jawando taking away the ability for cops to pull anyone over.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Upcounty barely votes. Silver Spring, Kensington, Garrett Park, and Bethesda vote like their lives depend on it.

If upcounty came out to vote in anywhere near the same percentages, we'd have moderates in office. Dawn Luedtke and Marilyn Balcombe are proof. But they are here because they are district Councilmembers. Upcounty won't see an at-large moderate until they actually get off their butts and vote.

It can't just be upcountry though. Normal people are everywhere. Again, what percent of MoCo is woke to the point of Kristin Mink-level insanity? 10? 20%? It can't be that high can it?

Normal people are everywhere, but in many districts, they get drowned out by super-progressives.

If you watch Council public hearings, you will see a very small group of fanatical progressives who testify at every single public hearing. They are small but they are very loud, and that's who the Council listens to. Because their voices are so loud, the Council naturally feels those are the prevailing opinions. And they manage their bills, amendments, and votes accordingly.

Normal people are everywhere, and they vote. The idea that the Council is made up of "super progressives" is bonkers.

Then how did we end up with males playing girls' sports (I know that's the BOE), a county that businesses are allergic to, and a "Racial Equity & Social Justice Policy" ? These are all far-left aka super progressive. Heck, even CE Elrich is a card-carrying DSA member.

That was the last 9 member Council and Elrich’s first term that did all that. The 11 member Council is a tad more sane.

Counterpoint: Kristin Mink

Oh, did the voters elect someone you disagree with? Well, that happens.

Do you think Kristin Mink is a good council member? Other than promoting drag queen story hour and calling African and Arab immigrants white supremacists because they don't want their kids taught gender ideology what has she done?

You can have all of the opinions you want, based on all of the alternative facts you want, and they are all completely irrelevant unless you live in her district.

The voters elected her. The voters' opinions are the ones that matter.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do know that the more educated a person is, the more likely they are to vote as a Democrat? Look it it. Voting patterns largely line-up with education level.

I don't think anyone is complaining about voting Democrat. It's voting ultra-progressive that is a problem. And that is just a segment of the Democratic spectrum. About 12% of the registered party (nationally).

Nobody on the County Council is "ultra-progressive", not even your bugaboos.

Come on man. Kristin Mink is as far-left and insane as it gets.

You should be grateful to Kristin Mink. Otherwise you'd be stuck trying to persuade people that Sidney Katz is as far-left and insane as it gets, which would be even more preposterous.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Upcounty barely votes. Silver Spring, Kensington, Garrett Park, and Bethesda vote like their lives depend on it.

If upcounty came out to vote in anywhere near the same percentages, we'd have moderates in office. Dawn Luedtke and Marilyn Balcombe are proof. But they are here because they are district Councilmembers. Upcounty won't see an at-large moderate until they actually get off their butts and vote.

It can't just be upcountry though. Normal people are everywhere. Again, what percent of MoCo is woke to the point of Kristin Mink-level insanity? 10? 20%? It can't be that high can it?

Normal people are everywhere, but in many districts, they get drowned out by super-progressives.

If you watch Council public hearings, you will see a very small group of fanatical progressives who testify at every single public hearing. They are small but they are very loud, and that's who the Council listens to. Because their voices are so loud, the Council naturally feels those are the prevailing opinions. And they manage their bills, amendments, and votes accordingly.

Normal people are everywhere, and they vote. The idea that the Council is made up of "super progressives" is bonkers.

Then how did we end up with males playing girls' sports (I know that's the BOE), a county that businesses are allergic to, and a "Racial Equity & Social Justice Policy" ? These are all far-left aka super progressive. Heck, even CE Elrich is a card-carrying DSA member.

That was the last 9 member Council and Elrich’s first term that did all that. The 11 member Council is a tad more sane.

Counterpoint: Kristin Mink

Oh, did the voters elect someone you disagree with? Well, that happens.

Do you think Kristin Mink is a good council member? Other than promoting drag queen story hour and calling African and Arab immigrants white supremacists because they don't want their kids taught gender ideology what has she done?

How about jawando taking away the ability for cops to pull anyone over.

Yep. He's the 2nd worst.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do know that the more educated a person is, the more likely they are to vote as a Democrat? Look it it. Voting patterns largely line-up with education level.

I don't think anyone is complaining about voting Democrat. It's voting ultra-progressive that is a problem. And that is just a segment of the Democratic spectrum. About 12% of the registered party (nationally).

Nobody on the County Council is "ultra-progressive", not even your bugaboos.

Come on man. Kristin Mink is as far-left and insane as it gets.

You should be grateful to Kristin Mink. Otherwise you'd be stuck trying to persuade people that Sidney Katz is as far-left and insane as it gets, which would be even more preposterous.

Katz is useless but he's not insane like Mink is.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Upcounty barely votes. Silver Spring, Kensington, Garrett Park, and Bethesda vote like their lives depend on it.

If upcounty came out to vote in anywhere near the same percentages, we'd have moderates in office. Dawn Luedtke and Marilyn Balcombe are proof. But they are here because they are district Councilmembers. Upcounty won't see an at-large moderate until they actually get off their butts and vote.

It can't just be upcountry though. Normal people are everywhere. Again, what percent of MoCo is woke to the point of Kristin Mink-level insanity? 10? 20%? It can't be that high can it?

Normal people are everywhere, but in many districts, they get drowned out by super-progressives.

If you watch Council public hearings, you will see a very small group of fanatical progressives who testify at every single public hearing. They are small but they are very loud, and that's who the Council listens to. Because their voices are so loud, the Council naturally feels those are the prevailing opinions. And they manage their bills, amendments, and votes accordingly.

Normal people are everywhere, and they vote. The idea that the Council is made up of "super progressives" is bonkers.

Then how did we end up with males playing girls' sports (I know that's the BOE), a county that businesses are allergic to, and a "Racial Equity & Social Justice Policy" ? These are all far-left aka super progressive. Heck, even CE Elrich is a card-carrying DSA member.

That was the last 9 member Council and Elrich’s first term that did all that. The 11 member Council is a tad more sane.

Counterpoint: Kristin Mink

Oh, did the voters elect someone you disagree with? Well, that happens.

Do you think Kristin Mink is a good council member? Other than promoting drag queen story hour and calling African and Arab immigrants white supremacists because they don't want their kids taught gender ideology what has she done?

You can have all of the opinions you want, based on all of the alternative facts you want, and they are all completely irrelevant unless you live in her district.

The voters elected her. The voters' opinions are the ones that matter.

I posted facts. Are you unaware of her activities or are her activities simply too insane for you to believe?

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Upcounty barely votes. Silver Spring, Kensington, Garrett Park, and Bethesda vote like their lives depend on it.

If upcounty came out to vote in anywhere near the same percentages, we'd have moderates in office. Dawn Luedtke and Marilyn Balcombe are proof. But they are here because they are district Councilmembers. Upcounty won't see an at-large moderate until they actually get off their butts and vote.

It can't just be upcountry though. Normal people are everywhere. Again, what percent of MoCo is woke to the point of Kristin Mink-level insanity? 10? 20%? It can't be that high can it?

Normal people are everywhere, but in many districts, they get drowned out by super-progressives.

If you watch Council public hearings, you will see a very small group of fanatical progressives who testify at every single public hearing. They are small but they are very loud, and that's who the Council listens to. Because their voices are so loud, the Council naturally feels those are the prevailing opinions. And they manage their bills, amendments, and votes accordingly.

Normal people are everywhere, and they vote. The idea that the Council is made up of "super progressives" is bonkers.

Then how did we end up with males playing girls' sports (I know that's the BOE), a county that businesses are allergic to, and a "Racial Equity & Social Justice Policy" ? These are all far-left aka super progressive. Heck, even CE Elrich is a card-carrying DSA member.

That was the last 9 member Council and Elrich’s first term that did all that. The 11 member Council is a tad more sane.

Counterpoint: Kristin Mink

Oh, did the voters elect someone you disagree with? Well, that happens.

Do you think Kristin Mink is a good council member? Other than promoting drag queen story hour and calling African and Arab immigrants white supremacists because they don't want their kids taught gender ideology what has she done?

You can have all of the opinions you want, based on all of the alternative facts you want, and they are all completely irrelevant unless you live in her district.

The voters elected her. The voters' opinions are the ones that matter.

I posted facts. Are you unaware of her activities or are her activities simply too insane for you to believe?

Your definition of "facts" must be different from mine.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Upcounty barely votes. Silver Spring, Kensington, Garrett Park, and Bethesda vote like their lives depend on it.

If upcounty came out to vote in anywhere near the same percentages, we'd have moderates in office. Dawn Luedtke and Marilyn Balcombe are proof. But they are here because they are district Councilmembers. Upcounty won't see an at-large moderate until they actually get off their butts and vote.

It can't just be upcountry though. Normal people are everywhere. Again, what percent of MoCo is woke to the point of Kristin Mink-level insanity? 10? 20%? It can't be that high can it?

Normal people are everywhere, but in many districts, they get drowned out by super-progressives.

If you watch Council public hearings, you will see a very small group of fanatical progressives who testify at every single public hearing. They are small but they are very loud, and that's who the Council listens to. Because their voices are so loud, the Council naturally feels those are the prevailing opinions. And they manage their bills, amendments, and votes accordingly.

Normal people are everywhere, and they vote. The idea that the Council is made up of "super progressives" is bonkers.

Then how did we end up with males playing girls' sports (I know that's the BOE), a county that businesses are allergic to, and a "Racial Equity & Social Justice Policy" ? These are all far-left aka super progressive. Heck, even CE Elrich is a card-carrying DSA member.

That was the last 9 member Council and Elrich’s first term that did all that. The 11 member Council is a tad more sane.

Counterpoint: Kristin Mink

Oh, did the voters elect someone you disagree with? Well, that happens.

Do you think Kristin Mink is a good council member? Other than promoting drag queen story hour and calling African and Arab immigrants white supremacists because they don't want their kids taught gender ideology what has she done?

You can have all of the opinions you want, based on all of the alternative facts you want, and they are all completely irrelevant unless you live in her district.

The voters elected her. The voters' opinions are the ones that matter.

I posted facts. Are you unaware of her activities or are her activities simply too insane for you to believe?

Your definition of "facts" must be different from mine.

Clearly. You're probably using "other ways of knowing" which allows you to create whatever "facts" you desire. I'm using evidence-based facts which can be found using Google.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Upcounty barely votes. Silver Spring, Kensington, Garrett Park, and Bethesda vote like their lives depend on it.

If upcounty came out to vote in anywhere near the same percentages, we'd have moderates in office. Dawn Luedtke and Marilyn Balcombe are proof. But they are here because they are district Councilmembers. Upcounty won't see an at-large moderate until they actually get off their butts and vote.

It can't just be upcountry though. Normal people are everywhere. Again, what percent of MoCo is woke to the point of Kristin Mink-level insanity? 10? 20%? It can't be that high can it?

Normal people are everywhere, but in many districts, they get drowned out by super-progressives.

If you watch Council public hearings, you will see a very small group of fanatical progressives who testify at every single public hearing. They are small but they are very loud, and that's who the Council listens to. Because their voices are so loud, the Council naturally feels those are the prevailing opinions. And they manage their bills, amendments, and votes accordingly.

Normal people are everywhere, and they vote. The idea that the Council is made up of "super progressives" is bonkers.

Then how did we end up with males playing girls' sports (I know that's the BOE), a county that businesses are allergic to, and a "Racial Equity & Social Justice Policy" ? These are all far-left aka super progressive. Heck, even CE Elrich is a card-carrying DSA member.

That was the last 9 member Council and Elrich’s first term that did all that. The 11 member Council is a tad more sane.

Counterpoint: Kristin Mink

Oh, did the voters elect someone you disagree with? Well, that happens.

Do you think Kristin Mink is a good council member? Other than promoting drag queen story hour and calling African and Arab immigrants white supremacists because they don't want their kids taught gender ideology what has she done?

You can have all of the opinions you want, based on all of the alternative facts you want, and they are all completely irrelevant unless you live in her district.

The voters elected her. The voters' opinions are the ones that matter.

I posted facts. Are you unaware of her activities or are her activities simply too insane for you to believe?

Your definition of "facts" must be different from mine.

Clearly. You're probably using "other ways of knowing" which allows you to create whatever "facts" you desire. I'm using evidence-based facts which can be found using Google.

You're complaining about elected officials who were elected by voters. Anonymously, on an internet message board, on a Saturday night. Wooo.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Upcounty barely votes. Silver Spring, Kensington, Garrett Park, and Bethesda vote like their lives depend on it.

If upcounty came out to vote in anywhere near the same percentages, we'd have moderates in office. Dawn Luedtke and Marilyn Balcombe are proof. But they are here because they are district Councilmembers. Upcounty won't see an at-large moderate until they actually get off their butts and vote.

It can't just be upcountry though. Normal people are everywhere. Again, what percent of MoCo is woke to the point of Kristin Mink-level insanity? 10? 20%? It can't be that high can it?

Normal people are everywhere, but in many districts, they get drowned out by super-progressives.

If you watch Council public hearings, you will see a very small group of fanatical progressives who testify at every single public hearing. They are small but they are very loud, and that's who the Council listens to. Because their voices are so loud, the Council naturally feels those are the prevailing opinions. And they manage their bills, amendments, and votes accordingly.

Normal people are everywhere, and they vote. The idea that the Council is made up of "super progressives" is bonkers.

Then how did we end up with males playing girls' sports (I know that's the BOE), a county that businesses are allergic to, and a "Racial Equity & Social Justice Policy" ? These are all far-left aka super progressive. Heck, even CE Elrich is a card-carrying DSA member.

That was the last 9 member Council and Elrich’s first term that did all that. The 11 member Council is a tad more sane.

Counterpoint: Kristin Mink

Oh, did the voters elect someone you disagree with? Well, that happens.

Do you think Kristin Mink is a good council member? Other than promoting drag queen story hour and calling African and Arab immigrants white supremacists because they don't want their kids taught gender ideology what has she done?

You can have all of the opinions you want, based on all of the alternative facts you want, and they are all completely irrelevant unless you live in her district.

The voters elected her. The voters' opinions are the ones that matter.

I posted facts. Are you unaware of her activities or are her activities simply too insane for you to believe?

Your definition of "facts" must be different from mine.

Clearly. You're probably using "other ways of knowing" which allows you to create whatever "facts" you desire. I'm using evidence-based facts which can be found using Google.

You're complaining about elected officials who were elected by voters. Anonymously, on an internet message board, on a Saturday night. Wooo.

Thank you for conceding that Mink is every bit as batty as I said she is.

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You think mink is “moderate”? She’s posted about defunding the police, used to criticize Israel for retaliating against Hamas

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What you guys don't realize is that Elrich is a moderate.

He has a leftist reputation but it's really from decades ago. He's more left-populist, not woke. For example, he's taken positions more sympathetic to the Muslims and immigrants re: MCPS and gender-related content. It's been low key but he's kind of taken on a mediator role and he really doesn't buy into a lot of the modern woke stuff. He's not the pro-business centrist that David Blair would be, he's firmly on the left on most economic issues but is kind of socially conservative in ways you wouldn't expect. Online yuppie progressives hate him.

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Anonymous wrote:You think mink is “moderate”? She’s posted about defunding the police, used to criticize Israel for retaliating against Hamas

DP.

She called for defunding, but she also posted about officers referring to them as “thugs” and “goons”.

Sure, voters put her on the council. I’m guessing a lot of those voters now have serious buyer’s remorse.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Upcounty barely votes. Silver Spring, Kensington, Garrett Park, and Bethesda vote like their lives depend on it.

If upcounty came out to vote in anywhere near the same percentages, we'd have moderates in office. Dawn Luedtke and Marilyn Balcombe are proof. But they are here because they are district Councilmembers. Upcounty won't see an at-large moderate until they actually get off their butts and vote.

It can't just be upcountry though. Normal people are everywhere. Again, what percent of MoCo is woke to the point of Kristin Mink-level insanity? 10? 20%? It can't be that high can it?

Normal people are everywhere, but in many districts, they get drowned out by super-progressives.

If you watch Council public hearings, you will see a very small group of fanatical progressives who testify at every single public hearing. They are small but they are very loud, and that's who the Council listens to. Because their voices are so loud, the Council naturally feels those are the prevailing opinions. And they manage their bills, amendments, and votes accordingly.

Normal people are everywhere, and they vote. The idea that the Council is made up of "super progressives" is bonkers.

Then how did we end up with males playing girls' sports (I know that's the BOE), a county that businesses are allergic to, and a "Racial Equity & Social Justice Policy" ? These are all far-left aka super progressive. Heck, even CE Elrich is a card-carrying DSA member.

That was the last 9 member Council and Elrich’s first term that did all that. The 11 member Council is a tad more sane.

Counterpoint: Kristin Mink

Oh, did the voters elect someone you disagree with? Well, that happens.

Do you think Kristin Mink is a good council member? Other than promoting drag queen story hour and calling African and Arab immigrants white supremacists because they don't want their kids taught gender ideology what has she done?

You can have all of the opinions you want, based on all of the alternative facts you want, and they are all completely irrelevant unless you live in her district.

The voters elected her. The voters' opinions are the ones that matter.

I posted facts. Are you unaware of her activities or are her activities simply too insane for you to believe?

Your definition of "facts" must be different from mine.

Clearly. You're probably using "other ways of knowing" which allows you to create whatever "facts" you desire. I'm using evidence-based facts which can be found using Google.

You're complaining about elected officials who were elected by voters. Anonymously, on an internet message board, on a Saturday night. Wooo.

Thank you for conceding that Mink is every bit as batty as I said she is.

I think it's only one poster who has the rhetorical habit of posting "thank you for agreeing with me" as a response to posts that obviously disagree with that poster.