Rashida Tlaib's anti-Israel event

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.


Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

If a group of people came to your land (where your people had lived for millennia) kicked you out, murdered you and put the rest of you in refugee camps don’t you think YOU would consider it a catastrophe?


Sounds like what whites did to Native Americans.


The situations would be alike, if (a) whites had lived in North America before being driven out by Natives, (b) when whites tried to return, the Native Americans had launched a war to exterminate them, and (b) collaborated with Hitler to do so.

In other words, the situations are literally nothing alike.


Don't forget the 2,000 year gap in between a and b
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.


Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

If a group of people came to your land (where your people had lived for millennia) kicked you out, murdered you and put the rest of you in refugee camps don’t you think YOU would consider it a catastrophe?


Sounds like what whites did to Native Americans.


The situations would be alike, if (a) whites had lived in North America before being driven out by Natives, (b) when whites tried to return, the Native Americans had launched a war to exterminate them, and (b) collaborated with Hitler to do so.

In other words, the situations are literally nothing alike.


If that's your benchmark, then I really don't understand the fuss over Crimea.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.


Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

If a group of people came to your land (where your people had lived for millennia) kicked you out, murdered you and put the rest of you in refugee camps don’t you think YOU would consider it a catastrophe?


Sounds like what whites did to Native Americans.


The situations would be alike, if (a) whites had lived in North America before being driven out by Natives, (b) when whites tried to return, the Native Americans had launched a war to exterminate them, and (b) collaborated with Hitler to do so.

In other words, the situations are literally nothing alike.


Don't forget the 2,000 year gap in between a and b


What’s your statute of limitations on justice?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.


Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

If a group of people came to your land (where your people had lived for millennia) kicked you out, murdered you and put the rest of you in refugee camps don’t you think YOU would consider it a catastrophe?


Sounds like what whites did to Native Americans.


The situations would be alike, if (a) whites had lived in North America before being driven out by Natives, (b) when whites tried to return, the Native Americans had launched a war to exterminate them, and (b) collaborated with Hitler to do so.

In other words, the situations are literally nothing alike.


If that's your benchmark, then I really don't understand the fuss over Crimea.


There’s been a fuss over Crimea?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.


Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

If a group of people came to your land (where your people had lived for millennia) kicked you out, murdered you and put the rest of you in refugee camps don’t you think YOU would consider it a catastrophe?


Sounds like what whites did to Native Americans.




The situations would be alike, if (a) whites had lived in North America before being driven out by Natives, (b) when whites tried to return, the Native Americans had launched a war to exterminate them, and (b) collaborated with Hitler to do so.

In other words, the situations are literally nothing alike.


Don't forget the 2,000 year gap in between a and b


What’s your statute of limitations on justice?


Far less than 2000 years. If you keep a claim to land for that long, just about the entire planet rightfully belongs to another group
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.


Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

If a group of people came to your land (where your people had lived for millennia) kicked you out, murdered you and put the rest of you in refugee camps don’t you think YOU would consider it a catastrophe?


Sounds like what whites did to Native Americans.




The situations would be alike, if (a) whites had lived in North America before being driven out by Natives, (b) when whites tried to return, the Native Americans had launched a war to exterminate them, and (b) collaborated with Hitler to do so.

In other words, the situations are literally nothing alike.


Don't forget the 2,000 year gap in between a and b


What’s your statute of limitations on justice?


Far less than 2000 years. If you keep a claim to land for that long, just about the entire planet rightfully belongs to another group


Be more specific, pls. This will be fun.
Anonymous
A few points that haven't been mentioned:

Israel sent medical personnel to the Balkans largely because of US pressure to do so.

Israel stayed out of the Iraq War because the US asked it to refrain--even when Saddam Hussein aimed missiles at Tel Aviv and Haifa. From Wikipedia:
"Throughout the entire Gulf War air campaign, Iraqi forces fired approximately 42 Scud missiles into Israel from 17 January to 23 February 1991.[5][6] The strategic and political goal of the Iraqi campaign was to provoke an Israeli military response and potentially jeopardize the United States-led coalition against Iraq, which had full backing and/or extensive contributions from an overwhelming majority of the states of the Muslim world and would have suffered immense diplomatic and material losses if Muslim-majority states rescinded their support due to the political situation of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Despite inflicting casualties on Israeli civilians and damaging Israeli infrastructure, Iraq failed to provoke Israeli retaliation due to pressure exerted by the United States on the latter to not respond to "Iraqi provocations" and avoid any bilateral escalations.[7] The Iraqi missiles were predominantly aimed at the Israeli cities of Tel Aviv and Haifa.

Over half of the aid the US provides Israel must be spent in the US, on US-made weapons. It's a full-employment program for Lockheed Martin and other arms manufacturers.
Jordan was created at the same time as Israel. No one questions Jordan's right to exist, even though the monarchy massacred hundreds of Palestinians in Black September 1970. India and Pakistan were separated in 1947, with a million dead, yet no one questions Pakistan's right to exist. Israel is just a special case. I wonder why...Meanwhile, 60 million stateless Kurds would like a country. No one cares.
I think with friends like Rashida Tlaib, the Palestinians will never have a country of any size. Call that a Nakba if you like.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.


Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.


Calling Israel an ally is not appropriate. Israel does not meet the criteria by any definition.

Ally: a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose or combine or unite a resource or commodity with (another) for mutual benefit.


Israel does not cooperate militarily with the US. Israel refuses to allow US to use Israeli bases or allow US to use Israel air space. This would have been greatly appreciated in the fight against ISIS and Syria civil war. Israel actually supported ISIS during that time. Not what an ally does.

Israel receives a lot of aid, technology, weapons and intelligence from the US but gives nothing back. Israel was noticeably absent in all our recent wars in the Middle East. There is no love for the US in Israel. Israel is a dependent state of the US not an ally.

It is interesting that the top countries receiving aid from the US are Israel(3.31 billion), Jordan(2.6b), Egypt(1.47b), Ethiopia(1.21b) and Iraq(1.18b). Why should the US continue this spending? Specially if countries receiving aid are not living up to the terms of agreements- ie dismantling settlements?


Israel was absent from the United States’ middle eastern wars because the United States wanted them to be. As far as giving nothing back, well, yeah, if you don’t count defense contracts, technology and medical knowledge sharing, cultural and educational exchange, and the like, you may be right.


How many Israelis fought in Vietnam? We've been in plenty of wars and have always had allies by our side, but Israel has never been one. They're a great customer for the defense industry (though largely using American tax payer money), but that's about it


Omg you are using Vietnam as a barometer here? That’s laughable. Plus, Israel was an incredibly poor nation the first decades after its establishment and was in its own war defending itself from Arab invasion in 1967.



Then when have they supported US? Even Japan has sent it's self defense forces to Iraq. South Korea was poor, but was heavily involved in Vietnam. The Canada, the UK and Australia have been in every war that we have. Can you name a single time that Israeli troops have deployed to support American troops in a war zone? Personally, that's how I define ally


Again: the US does … not … want … them … to. But, you’re ignoring the humanitarian aid and contributions Israel makes when disasters strike—even in such a Jew-hating world.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:A few points that haven't been mentioned:

Israel sent medical personnel to the Balkans largely because of US pressure to do so.

Israel stayed out of the Iraq War because the US asked it to refrain--even when Saddam Hussein aimed missiles at Tel Aviv and Haifa. From Wikipedia:
"Throughout the entire Gulf War air campaign, Iraqi forces fired approximately 42 Scud missiles into Israel from 17 January to 23 February 1991.[5][6] The strategic and political goal of the Iraqi campaign was to provoke an Israeli military response and potentially jeopardize the United States-led coalition against Iraq, which had full backing and/or extensive contributions from an overwhelming majority of the states of the Muslim world and would have suffered immense diplomatic and material losses if Muslim-majority states rescinded their support due to the political situation of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Despite inflicting casualties on Israeli civilians and damaging Israeli infrastructure, Iraq failed to provoke Israeli retaliation due to pressure exerted by the United States on the latter to not respond to "Iraqi provocations" and avoid any bilateral escalations.[7] The Iraqi missiles were predominantly aimed at the Israeli cities of Tel Aviv and Haifa.

Over half of the aid the US provides Israel must be spent in the US, on US-made weapons. It's a full-employment program for Lockheed Martin and other arms manufacturers.
Jordan was created at the same time as Israel. No one questions Jordan's right to exist, even though the monarchy massacred hundreds of Palestinians in Black September 1970. India and Pakistan were separated in 1947, with a million dead, yet no one questions Pakistan's right to exist. Israel is just a special case. I wonder why...Meanwhile, 60 million stateless Kurds would like a country. No one cares.
I think with friends like Rashida Tlaib, the Palestinians will never have a country of any size. Call that a Nakba if you like.


The “why” may arguably be found in the fact that antisemitism is the world’s oldest prejudice. That’s just a guess, though.
Anonymous
FACT: According to a British census in 1864, Jews constituted a majority of the population of Jerusalem. An Ottoman census in 1905 showed Jews represented two-thirds of the Jerusalem population.

FACT: In 1917, the British Government declared that they favored the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine (Balfour Declaration).

FACT: In 1936, the British government established a Royal Commission, known as The Peel Commission, to investigate the unrest between Arabs and Jews in Palestine. A report was issued in 1937 that recommended a partition of the land between Arabs and Jews. The report, after being accepted by the British Government, was rejected by the Arabs.

FACT: In 1947, the United Nations General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending the partition of Palestine into to two states, one Jewish and one Arab with Jerusalem to be governed by an international regime. It was accepted by the Jewish side, but not by the Arabs. The Arabs immediately launched a war of annihilation against the Jewish state.

FACT: Between 1948 and 1972, 800,000 Jews were forced to leave Arab and Muslim countries. Approximately 600,000 of those Jews emigrated to Israel.

FACT: During the British Mandate, Jews were known as Palestinian Jews. The flag of Palestine had a Star of David on it.

"It is inaccurate to say the Jews just took over or stole Arab land. In addition to land owned by Jews already living in Palestine, there were substantial land purchases made by the Jewish National Fund, the Palestine Land Development Company and the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association between the late 1880s and 1930s. Most of the land purchases were made in the Jezreel Valley, Jordan Valley and Galilee where the Arab population was sparse, and soil was poor. At the time of the UN partition vote in 1947 most of the land not already owned by Jews was public land, not privately-owned land. Very little of the land was privately owned by Arabs."

https://jfedsrq.org/did-jews-take-israel-from-palestinians/
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.


Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.


Calling Israel an ally is not appropriate. Israel does not meet the criteria by any definition.

Ally: a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose or combine or unite a resource or commodity with (another) for mutual benefit.


Israel does not cooperate militarily with the US. Israel refuses to allow US to use Israeli bases or allow US to use Israel air space. This would have been greatly appreciated in the fight against ISIS and Syria civil war. Israel actually supported ISIS during that time. Not what an ally does.

Israel receives a lot of aid, technology, weapons and intelligence from the US but gives nothing back. Israel was noticeably absent in all our recent wars in the Middle East. There is no love for the US in Israel. Israel is a dependent state of the US not an ally.

It is interesting that the top countries receiving aid from the US are Israel(3.31 billion), Jordan(2.6b), Egypt(1.47b), Ethiopia(1.21b) and Iraq(1.18b). Why should the US continue this spending? Specially if countries receiving aid are not living up to the terms of agreements- ie dismantling settlements?


Israel was absent from the United States’ middle eastern wars because the United States wanted them to be. As far as giving nothing back, well, yeah, if you don’t count defense contracts, technology and medical knowledge sharing, cultural and educational exchange, and the like, you may be right.


How many Israelis fought in Vietnam? We've been in plenty of wars and have always had allies by our side, but Israel has never been one. They're a great customer for the defense industry (though largely using American tax payer money), but that's about it


Omg you are using Vietnam as a barometer here? That’s laughable. Plus, Israel was an incredibly poor nation the first decades after its establishment and was in its own war defending itself from Arab invasion in 1967.



Then when have they supported US? Even Japan has sent it's self defense forces to Iraq. South Korea was poor, but was heavily involved in Vietnam. The Canada, the UK and Australia have been in every war that we have. Can you name a single time that Israeli troops have deployed to support American troops in a war zone? Personally, that's how I define ally


Again: the US does … not … want … them … to. But, you’re ignoring the humanitarian aid and contributions Israel makes when disasters strike—even in such a Jew-hating world.


It is always a very small token group sent for PR purposes.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:FACT: According to a British census in 1864, Jews constituted a majority of the population of Jerusalem. An Ottoman census in 1905 showed Jews represented two-thirds of the Jerusalem population.

FACT: In 1917, the British Government declared that they favored the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine (Balfour Declaration).

FACT: In 1936, the British government established a Royal Commission, known as The Peel Commission, to investigate the unrest between Arabs and Jews in Palestine. A report was issued in 1937 that recommended a partition of the land between Arabs and Jews. The report, after being accepted by the British Government, was rejected by the Arabs.

FACT: In 1947, the United Nations General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending the partition of Palestine into to two states, one Jewish and one Arab with Jerusalem to be governed by an international regime. It was accepted by the Jewish side, but not by the Arabs. The Arabs immediately launched a war of annihilation against the Jewish state.

FACT: Between 1948 and 1972, 800,000 Jews were forced to leave Arab and Muslim countries. Approximately 600,000 of those Jews emigrated to Israel.

FACT: During the British Mandate, Jews were known as Palestinian Jews. The flag of Palestine had a Star of David on it.

"It is inaccurate to say the Jews just took over or stole Arab land. In addition to land owned by Jews already living in Palestine, there were substantial land purchases made by the Jewish National Fund, the Palestine Land Development Company and the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association between the late 1880s and 1930s. Most of the land purchases were made in the Jezreel Valley, Jordan Valley and Galilee where the Arab population was sparse, and soil was poor. At the time of the UN partition vote in 1947 most of the land not already owned by Jews was public land, not privately-owned land. Very little of the land was privately owned by Arabs."

https://jfedsrq.org/did-jews-take-israel-from-palestinians/


By your logic Israel should be a muslin country because the area has been majority Muslim since the 1200’s.

Demographic history of Palestine(modern Israel and the Palestinian territories)
0-400 ad majority Jewish
500-1100 majority Christian
1200-1947 majority Muslims
Details
1850-1851 Ottoman 1267 muslin 300,000 Jewish 13,000 Christians 27,000 total 340,000
1914-1915 Ottoman 1333 muslin 602,377 Jewish 38,754 Christian 81,012 total 722,143

The British had no authority legally or morally to do create Israel and they did not.
Anonymous
It was ridiculous for McCarthy to cancel the meeting.

As a Jew (and a product of day schools) it is essential thst Jews stop yelling anti-semitism about everything involving Israel and Palestinians because there is an increase in actual anti-semitism and allowing people to focus on Israel instead is a big mistake.

McCarthy is just like Eric Trump— fraternizing with white nationalists but claiming he’s not a anti-semite because he supports Israel.
Anonymous
According to this article Tlaib’s event took place thanks to the intervention of Bernie Sanders. Also, the event was partially sponsored by a Jewish group who believes Palestinians are also human beings. McCarthy failed to stop the meeting from taking place.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/mccarthy-palestine-tlaib/tnamp/
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:According to this article Tlaib’s event took place thanks to the intervention of Bernie Sanders. Also, the event was partially sponsored by a Jewish group who believes Palestinians are also human beings. McCarthy failed to stop the meeting from taking place.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/mccarthy-palestine-tlaib/tnamp/


Nice spin by The Nation, the Newsmax of the far left.
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