Rashida Tlaib's anti-Israel event

[Anonymous]

I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

Calling Israel an ally is not appropriate. Israel does not meet the criteria by any definition.

Ally: a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose or combine or unite a resource or commodity with (another) for mutual benefit.


Israel does not cooperate militarily with the US. Israel refuses to allow US to use Israeli bases or allow US to use Israel air space. This would have been greatly appreciated in the fight against ISIS and Syria civil war. Israel actually supported ISIS during that time. Not what an ally does.

Israel receives a lot of aid, technology, weapons and intelligence from the US but gives nothing back. Israel was noticeably absent in all our recent wars in the Middle East. There is no love for the US in Israel. Israel is a dependent state of the US not an ally.

It is interesting that the top countries receiving aid from the US are Israel(3.31 billion), Jordan(2.6b), Egypt(1.47b), Ethiopia(1.21b) and Iraq(1.18b). Why should the US continue this spending? Specially if countries receiving aid are not living up to the terms of agreements- ie dismantling settlements?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

Calling Israel an ally is not appropriate. Israel does not meet the criteria by any definition.

Ally: a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose or combine or unite a resource or commodity with (another) for mutual benefit.


Israel does not cooperate militarily with the US. Israel refuses to allow US to use Israeli bases or allow US to use Israel air space. This would have been greatly appreciated in the fight against ISIS and Syria civil war. Israel actually supported ISIS during that time. Not what an ally does.

Israel receives a lot of aid, technology, weapons and intelligence from the US but gives nothing back. Israel was noticeably absent in all our recent wars in the Middle East. There is no love for the US in Israel. Israel is a dependent state of the US not an ally.

It is interesting that the top countries receiving aid from the US are Israel(3.31 billion), Jordan(2.6b), Egypt(1.47b), Ethiopia(1.21b) and Iraq(1.18b). Why should the US continue this spending? Specially if countries receiving aid are not living up to the terms of agreements- ie dismantling settlements?

Israel was absent from the United States’ middle eastern wars because the United States wanted them to be. As far as giving nothing back, well, yeah, if you don’t count defense contracts, technology and medical knowledge sharing, cultural and educational exchange, and the like, you may be right.

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jsteele wrote:Conservatives yammer non-stop about free speech and "censorship" but now we see their true feelings. Tlaib's event was to recognize a historic event that was tragic for Palestinians. Describing it as "anti-Israel" is like describing a Pearl Harbor Day event as "anti-Japanese".

If Tlaib was being shutdown by a Stanford University dean instead of the Speaker of the House, conservatives would be screeching like stuck pigs. But no free speech for those who don't adhere to the party line.

So, it's not anti-Israel even though Nakba is translated as "Catastrophe?"
And, here she is lamenting the existence of Israel while missiles are raining down on Tel Aviv.

Yes, I think that when you are kicked out of your homeland it is reasonable to call it a "Catastrophe". Here you are denying the Palestinians their history while Israeli missiles rain down on Gaza.

I take it you're not a fan of UN resolution 181.

I welcome the full implementation of resolution 181. Do you?

Did the Palestinians? Azzam Pasha? The Arab states?

Had they respected the UN resolution, the history of the region would be entirely different. That's what makes Tlaib's event so revolting.

Palestinian leadership and their allies violated the UN resolution, launched a war of annihilation, and blame everyone but themselves for the consequences.

And to answer your question, I would no longer support implementation of the 181 map, but absolutely favor a 2 state solution.

How many years later can a war justify apartheid? Did the Zulu wars justify South African actions in the 70s?

Who's justifying apartheid?

There's a lot to criticize about Israel's conduct, but 1947? Not so much. The Palestinians and Arabs own that one.

That's what makes Tlaib's conduct re: "the Catastrophe" so disgusting.

You violate a UN resolution, launch a war of aggression with the express purpose of committing genocide, then blame your intended victims for winning?

That's reprehensible.

And yet I'm sure you call the Ukrainian resistance on Russian-occupied land "a noble struggle".

Ukraine launched a war of aggression to annihilate the Russian people? And denied Russia's right to exist? And repeatedly launched brutal attacks against Russian civilians?

I'm an avid consumer of news, but I somehow missed all of that. Astonishing.

If your criteria is "we won so it's OK", then you definitely shouldn't criticize Russia.

That's absolutely not the criteria stated above.

The point is that you don't get to launch an illegal war of aggression (actually annihilation), lose, then blame the victors for your loss.

And it's nothing short of outrageous to blame your intended victims of genocide for the conflict and its results, which is exactly what Tlaib is doing.

Totally fair game to criticize the victor's subsequent actions, and goodness knows Israel deserves plenty of criticism.

Well it wasn't JUST loss, was it?

Did Israel HAVE to expel Palestinians?

Did Israel HAVE to confiscate their land?

Are you sure it was all because of the war? Perhaps Israel simply didn't want a demographic bomb of Palestinian presence within Israel. Can't have a pure Jewish state with these Arabs reproducing the way they do, can you? And extra land certainly wouldn't hurt!

Sadly, we'll never know the answer to the bolded.

And that's kind of the point. The Palestinian and Arab leadership's failed effort to annihilate Israel in '47 and '48 was the spark that lit the fire that has led to generations of Palestinian suffering.

One of the greatest misjudgments in history.

I don't know why you think the people in the land should embrace with open arms the idea of the state in which they clearly do not belong in the concept of the state as originally defined. But nice job making expulsion and confiscation of land look, like, INEVITABLE. Like, look at these Arabs, what else can we do? OF COURSE we need to expel them and get their land.

I'd not arguing that anyone should embrace anything with open arms.

I am arguing that Tlaib's narrative of the innocent Palestinians as victims of Israeli aggression in '47 and '48 is historically inaccurate.

I'd also argue that such a narrative hurts rather than helps the Palestinian people.

LOL I know your kind. You only have two wishes for anyone non-Jewish in Israel and occupied territories:

1) Shut up
2) Emigrate.

My kind? I think that's a (failed) attempt to be offensive.

Would it shock you to learn that (a) I'm not Israeli, (b) I'm not Jewish, and (c) I'm not an evangelical Christian?

And no, those are not my two wishes. My actual wish is a two state solution, which requires reasonable and pragmatic leadership on both sides.

Right now, neither side qualifies.

Bingo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

Calling Israel an ally is not appropriate. Israel does not meet the criteria by any definition.

Ally: a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose or combine or unite a resource or commodity with (another) for mutual benefit.


Israel does not cooperate militarily with the US. Israel refuses to allow US to use Israeli bases or allow US to use Israel air space. This would have been greatly appreciated in the fight against ISIS and Syria civil war. Israel actually supported ISIS during that time. Not what an ally does.

Israel receives a lot of aid, technology, weapons and intelligence from the US but gives nothing back. Israel was noticeably absent in all our recent wars in the Middle East. There is no love for the US in Israel. Israel is a dependent state of the US not an ally.

It is interesting that the top countries receiving aid from the US are Israel(3.31 billion), Jordan(2.6b), Egypt(1.47b), Ethiopia(1.21b) and Iraq(1.18b). Why should the US continue this spending? Specially if countries receiving aid are not living up to the terms of agreements- ie dismantling settlements?

Israel was absent from the United States’ middle eastern wars because the United States wanted them to be. As far as giving nothing back, well, yeah, if you don’t count defense contracts, technology and medical knowledge sharing, cultural and educational exchange, and the like, you may be right.

Sure The US Department of Defense R&D programs budget(96b per year)is bigger vs Israel’s totally total expenditure on defense(17.8b per year) over 5 years. Israel’s defense industry is whole depend on the US and the technology the US shares with it. Everyone “new” system Israel “develops” is based on a pre-existing system in the US or based on research done by the US. Same with medical.

Israel is real good about pushing this false narrative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

If a group of people came to your land (where your people had lived for millennia) kicked you out, murdered you and put the rest of you in refugee camps don’t you think YOU would consider it a catastrophe?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

If a group of people came to your land (where your people had lived for millennia) kicked you out, murdered you and put the rest of you in refugee camps don’t you think YOU would consider it a catastrophe?

Sounds like what whites did to Native Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

Calling Israel an ally is not appropriate. Israel does not meet the criteria by any definition.

Ally: a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose or combine or unite a resource or commodity with (another) for mutual benefit.


Israel does not cooperate militarily with the US. Israel refuses to allow US to use Israeli bases or allow US to use Israel air space. This would have been greatly appreciated in the fight against ISIS and Syria civil war. Israel actually supported ISIS during that time. Not what an ally does.

Israel receives a lot of aid, technology, weapons and intelligence from the US but gives nothing back. Israel was noticeably absent in all our recent wars in the Middle East. There is no love for the US in Israel. Israel is a dependent state of the US not an ally.

It is interesting that the top countries receiving aid from the US are Israel(3.31 billion), Jordan(2.6b), Egypt(1.47b), Ethiopia(1.21b) and Iraq(1.18b). Why should the US continue this spending? Specially if countries receiving aid are not living up to the terms of agreements- ie dismantling settlements?

Israel was absent from the United States’ middle eastern wars because the United States wanted them to be. As far as giving nothing back, well, yeah, if you don’t count defense contracts, technology and medical knowledge sharing, cultural and educational exchange, and the like, you may be right.

Sure The US Department of Defense R&D programs budget(96b per year)is bigger vs Israel’s totally total expenditure on defense(17.8b per year) over 5 years. Israel’s defense industry is whole depend on the US and the technology the US shares with it. Everyone “new” system Israel “develops” is based on a pre-existing system in the US or based on research done by the US. Same with medical.

Israel is real good about pushing this false narrative.

I don’t follow your argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

Calling Israel an ally is not appropriate. Israel does not meet the criteria by any definition.

Ally: a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose or combine or unite a resource or commodity with (another) for mutual benefit.


Israel does not cooperate militarily with the US. Israel refuses to allow US to use Israeli bases or allow US to use Israel air space. This would have been greatly appreciated in the fight against ISIS and Syria civil war. Israel actually supported ISIS during that time. Not what an ally does.

Israel receives a lot of aid, technology, weapons and intelligence from the US but gives nothing back. Israel was noticeably absent in all our recent wars in the Middle East. There is no love for the US in Israel. Israel is a dependent state of the US not an ally.

It is interesting that the top countries receiving aid from the US are Israel(3.31 billion), Jordan(2.6b), Egypt(1.47b), Ethiopia(1.21b) and Iraq(1.18b). Why should the US continue this spending? Specially if countries receiving aid are not living up to the terms of agreements- ie dismantling settlements?

Israel was absent from the United States’ middle eastern wars because the United States wanted them to be. As far as giving nothing back, well, yeah, if you don’t count defense contracts, technology and medical knowledge sharing, cultural and educational exchange, and the like, you may be right.

How many Israelis fought in Vietnam? We've been in plenty of wars and have always had allies by our side, but Israel has never been one. They're a great customer for the defense industry (though largely using American tax payer money), but that's about it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

Calling Israel an ally is not appropriate. Israel does not meet the criteria by any definition.

Ally: a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose or combine or unite a resource or commodity with (another) for mutual benefit.


Israel does not cooperate militarily with the US. Israel refuses to allow US to use Israeli bases or allow US to use Israel air space. This would have been greatly appreciated in the fight against ISIS and Syria civil war. Israel actually supported ISIS during that time. Not what an ally does.

Israel receives a lot of aid, technology, weapons and intelligence from the US but gives nothing back. Israel was noticeably absent in all our recent wars in the Middle East. There is no love for the US in Israel. Israel is a dependent state of the US not an ally.

It is interesting that the top countries receiving aid from the US are Israel(3.31 billion), Jordan(2.6b), Egypt(1.47b), Ethiopia(1.21b) and Iraq(1.18b). Why should the US continue this spending? Specially if countries receiving aid are not living up to the terms of agreements- ie dismantling settlements?

Israel was absent from the United States’ middle eastern wars because the United States wanted them to be. As far as giving nothing back, well, yeah, if you don’t count defense contracts, technology and medical knowledge sharing, cultural and educational exchange, and the like, you may be right.

How many Israelis fought in Vietnam? We've been in plenty of wars and have always had allies by our side, but Israel has never been one. They're a great customer for the defense industry (though largely using American tax payer money), but that's about it

Omg you are using Vietnam as a barometer here? That’s laughable. Plus, Israel was an incredibly poor nation the first decades after its establishment and was in its own war defending itself from Arab invasion in 1967.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

Free speech exists for MAGA deplorable members of Congress and it also exists for her. Israel has gotten away with too much for too long and it isn't antisemitic to say so

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

Calling Israel an ally is not appropriate. Israel does not meet the criteria by any definition.

Ally: a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose or combine or unite a resource or commodity with (another) for mutual benefit.


Israel does not cooperate militarily with the US. Israel refuses to allow US to use Israeli bases or allow US to use Israel air space. This would have been greatly appreciated in the fight against ISIS and Syria civil war. Israel actually supported ISIS during that time. Not what an ally does.

Israel receives a lot of aid, technology, weapons and intelligence from the US but gives nothing back. Israel was noticeably absent in all our recent wars in the Middle East. There is no love for the US in Israel. Israel is a dependent state of the US not an ally.

It is interesting that the top countries receiving aid from the US are Israel(3.31 billion), Jordan(2.6b), Egypt(1.47b), Ethiopia(1.21b) and Iraq(1.18b). Why should the US continue this spending? Specially if countries receiving aid are not living up to the terms of agreements- ie dismantling settlements?

Israel was absent from the United States’ middle eastern wars because the United States wanted them to be. As far as giving nothing back, well, yeah, if you don’t count defense contracts, technology and medical knowledge sharing, cultural and educational exchange, and the like, you may be right.

How many Israelis fought in Vietnam? We've been in plenty of wars and have always had allies by our side, but Israel has never been one. They're a great customer for the defense industry (though largely using American tax payer money), but that's about it

Omg you are using Vietnam as a barometer here? That’s laughable. Plus, Israel was an incredibly poor nation the first decades after its establishment and was in its own war defending itself from Arab invasion in 1967.

Bull! The US has been bankrolling Israel from its
inception!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

Calling Israel an ally is not appropriate. Israel does not meet the criteria by any definition.

Ally: a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose or combine or unite a resource or commodity with (another) for mutual benefit.


Israel does not cooperate militarily with the US. Israel refuses to allow US to use Israeli bases or allow US to use Israel air space. This would have been greatly appreciated in the fight against ISIS and Syria civil war. Israel actually supported ISIS during that time. Not what an ally does.

Israel receives a lot of aid, technology, weapons and intelligence from the US but gives nothing back. Israel was noticeably absent in all our recent wars in the Middle East. There is no love for the US in Israel. Israel is a dependent state of the US not an ally.

It is interesting that the top countries receiving aid from the US are Israel(3.31 billion), Jordan(2.6b), Egypt(1.47b), Ethiopia(1.21b) and Iraq(1.18b). Why should the US continue this spending? Specially if countries receiving aid are not living up to the terms of agreements- ie dismantling settlements?

Israel was absent from the United States’ middle eastern wars because the United States wanted them to be. As far as giving nothing back, well, yeah, if you don’t count defense contracts, technology and medical knowledge sharing, cultural and educational exchange, and the like, you may be right.

How many Israelis fought in Vietnam? We've been in plenty of wars and have always had allies by our side, but Israel has never been one. They're a great customer for the defense industry (though largely using American tax payer money), but that's about it

Omg you are using Vietnam as a barometer here? That’s laughable. Plus, Israel was an incredibly poor nation the first decades after its establishment and was in its own war defending itself from Arab invasion in 1967.

Then when have they supported US? Even Japan has sent it's self defense forces to Iraq. South Korea was poor, but was heavily involved in Vietnam. The Canada, the UK and Australia have been in every war that we have. Can you name a single time that Israeli troops have deployed to support American troops in a war zone? Personally, that's how I define ally

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can support Israel and still criticize them for what they are doing.

That does not mean that I am anti-Semitic, because I'm not.

I also believe in free expression. She should have the event.

Calling the founding of one of our allies a "catastrophe" does not seem appropriate for an event on Capitol Hill.

If a group of people came to your land (where your people had lived for millennia) kicked you out, murdered you and put the rest of you in refugee camps don’t you think YOU would consider it a catastrophe?

Sounds like what whites did to Native Americans.

The situations would be alike, if (a) whites had lived in North America before being driven out by Natives, (b) when whites tried to return, the Native Americans had launched a war to exterminate them, and (b) collaborated with Hitler to do so.

In other words, the situations are literally nothing alike.