Bride killed hours after ceremony

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, if the driver of the golf cart had been drinking, it will be used by the defense to try to mitigate blame and establish shared negligence. Did cart have tail lights and were they operating properly that night? Was the golf cart operating in a safe and predictable manner?

Further, the woman denied a field sobriety test. If the blood draw is inconclusive, this is downgraded to reckless driving. Maybe involuntary manslaughter if the prosecutor is feeling spicy.

If there’s any degree of contributory negligence, it will probably help the driver in lowering a potential prison sentence.

As a former prosecutor with extensive experience prosecuting DUIs, I have to assume you don’t have any at all and maybe are making things up - out of your bum.

I wouldn’t even consider offering a deal in this case, I would charge the maximum under the law and I would feel very confident of the likelihood of getting a jury to endorse the charges, even in the absence of a BAC. The facts of the case are so horrific the jurors will be twisting in their chairs chomping at the bit to get to deliberations and the verdict form.

This case really disturbs me having attended a lovely wedding of a similar age couple just last September. It was such a magical ceremony and reception, so much loving energy if it had ended this way I can imagine many of us there would have experienced a real trauma from which we would struggle to recover. I cannot imagine the pain of her family and his and their many beloved friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm very familiar with Folly and there are NO roads there where 65 mph would not be terrifyingly dangerous. Even at night, lots of people out walking, riding bikes, riding golf carts - it's not a place you could ever fly through like that safely. I truly don't think someone could drive that speed anywhere on Folly and not hit someone in some way. It's horrifying to think about someone driving like that through there. Truly nightmare material.

+1 As a frequent Folly visitor, I had trouble imagining how a driver could be driving that fast on any of the roads. Tons of walkers both day and night with no sidewalks once you get off the main drag.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Folly Beach was one of those places where everyone drives golf carts and there are no actual real cars around much? Or maybe I’m getting it mixed up with a different nearby destination?

+1

It's not. The main road, Ashley Ave. has a mix of cars and golf carts and many, many pedestrians of course. Folks usually drive slow and watch out for each other and tourists. There are also no sidewalks. It is a sweet town and this is so tragic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, if the driver of the golf cart had been drinking, it will be used by the defense to try to mitigate blame and establish shared negligence. Did cart have tail lights and were they operating properly that night? Was the golf cart operating in a safe and predictable manner?

Further, the woman denied a field sobriety test. If the blood draw is inconclusive, this is downgraded to reckless driving. Maybe involuntary manslaughter if the prosecutor is feeling spicy.

If there’s any degree of contributory negligence, it will probably help the driver in lowering a potential prison sentence.

As a former prosecutor with extensive experience prosecuting DUIs, I have to assume you don’t have any at all and maybe are making things up - out of your bum.

I wouldn’t even consider offering a deal in this case, I would charge the maximum under the law and I would feel very confident of the likelihood of getting a jury to endorse the charges, even in the absence of a BAC. The facts of the case are so horrific the jurors will be twisting in their chairs chomping at the bit to get to deliberations and the verdict form.

This case really disturbs me having attended a lovely wedding of a similar age couple just last September. It was such a magical ceremony and reception, so much loving energy if it had ended this way I can imagine many of us there would have experienced a real trauma from which we would struggle to recover. I cannot imagine the pain of her family and his and their many beloved friends.

There was a famous case in Miami involving a drunk driving NFL player hitting and killing a pedestrian. The NFL player essentially got off with a slap on the wrist because the pedestrian was [also] at fault. He went on to play in the NFL again.

[Illegally] driving golf carts on a road is very, very dangerous; drunk drivers or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, if the driver of the golf cart had been drinking, it will be used by the defense to try to mitigate blame and establish shared negligence. Did cart have tail lights and were they operating properly that night? Was the golf cart operating in a safe and predictable manner?

Further, the woman denied a field sobriety test. If the blood draw is inconclusive, this is downgraded to reckless driving. Maybe involuntary manslaughter if the prosecutor is feeling spicy.

If there’s any degree of contributory negligence, it will probably help the driver in lowering a potential prison sentence.

As a former prosecutor with extensive experience prosecuting DUIs, I have to assume you don’t have any at all and maybe are making things up - out of your bum.

I wouldn’t even consider offering a deal in this case, I would charge the maximum under the law and I would feel very confident of the likelihood of getting a jury to endorse the charges, even in the absence of a BAC. The facts of the case are so horrific the jurors will be twisting in their chairs chomping at the bit to get to deliberations and the verdict form.

This case really disturbs me having attended a lovely wedding of a similar age couple just last September. It was such a magical ceremony and reception, so much loving energy if it had ended this way I can imagine many of us there would have experienced a real trauma from which we would struggle to recover. I cannot imagine the pain of her family and his and their many beloved friends.

There was a famous case in Miami involving a drunk driving NFL player hitting and killing a pedestrian. The NFL player essentially got off with a slap on the wrist because the pedestrian was [also] at fault. He went on to play in the NFL again.

[Illegally] driving golf carts on a road is very, very dangerous; drunk drivers or not.

Just came onto this thread, didn't you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, if the driver of the golf cart had been drinking, it will be used by the defense to try to mitigate blame and establish shared negligence. Did cart have tail lights and were they operating properly that night? Was the golf cart operating in a safe and predictable manner?

Further, the woman denied a field sobriety test. If the blood draw is inconclusive, this is downgraded to reckless driving. Maybe involuntary manslaughter if the prosecutor is feeling spicy.

If there’s any degree of contributory negligence, it will probably help the driver in lowering a potential prison sentence.

As a former prosecutor with extensive experience prosecuting DUIs, I have to assume you don’t have any at all and maybe are making things up - out of your bum.

I wouldn’t even consider offering a deal in this case, I would charge the maximum under the law and I would feel very confident of the likelihood of getting a jury to endorse the charges, even in the absence of a BAC. The facts of the case are so horrific the jurors will be twisting in their chairs chomping at the bit to get to deliberations and the verdict form.

This case really disturbs me having attended a lovely wedding of a similar age couple just last September. It was such a magical ceremony and reception, so much loving energy if it had ended this way I can imagine many of us there would have experienced a real trauma from which we would struggle to recover. I cannot imagine the pain of her family and his and their many beloved friends.

There was a famous case in Miami involving a drunk driving NFL player hitting and killing a pedestrian. The NFL player essentially got off with a slap on the wrist because the pedestrian was [also] at fault. He went on to play in the NFL again.

[Illegally] driving golf carts on a road is very, very dangerous; drunk drivers or not.

https://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/16/florida.nfl.player.plea/index.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, if the driver of the golf cart had been drinking, it will be used by the defense to try to mitigate blame and establish shared negligence. Did cart have tail lights and were they operating properly that night? Was the golf cart operating in a safe and predictable manner?

Further, the woman denied a field sobriety test. If the blood draw is inconclusive, this is downgraded to reckless driving. Maybe involuntary manslaughter if the prosecutor is feeling spicy.

If there’s any degree of contributory negligence, it will probably help the driver in lowering a potential prison sentence.

As a former prosecutor with extensive experience prosecuting DUIs, I have to assume you don’t have any at all and maybe are making things up - out of your bum.

I wouldn’t even consider offering a deal in this case, I would charge the maximum under the law and I would feel very confident of the likelihood of getting a jury to endorse the charges, even in the absence of a BAC. The facts of the case are so horrific the jurors will be twisting in their chairs chomping at the bit to get to deliberations and the verdict form.

This case really disturbs me having attended a lovely wedding of a similar age couple just last September. It was such a magical ceremony and reception, so much loving energy if it had ended this way I can imagine many of us there would have experienced a real trauma from which we would struggle to recover. I cannot imagine the pain of her family and his and their many beloved friends.

There was a famous case in Miami involving a drunk driving NFL player hitting and killing a pedestrian. The NFL player essentially got off with a slap on the wrist because the pedestrian was [also] at fault. He went on to play in the NFL again.

[Illegally] driving golf carts on a road is very, very dangerous; drunk drivers or not.

Just came onto this thread, didn't you?

My parents live in a quiet town where pensioners drive carts around illegally. I hate it. It is dangerous, especially if they take them to restaurants or to community events in the park which end at dusk or past dark. A huge car going the speed limit will easily kill you on one of those, so seizing on this driver’s excessive speed is a little misguided, I think.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, if the driver of the golf cart had been drinking, it will be used by the defense to try to mitigate blame and establish shared negligence. Did cart have tail lights and were they operating properly that night? Was the golf cart operating in a safe and predictable manner?

Further, the woman denied a field sobriety test. If the blood draw is inconclusive, this is downgraded to reckless driving. Maybe involuntary manslaughter if the prosecutor is feeling spicy.

If there’s any degree of contributory negligence, it will probably help the driver in lowering a potential prison sentence.

As a former prosecutor with extensive experience prosecuting DUIs, I have to assume you don’t have any at all and maybe are making things up - out of your bum.

I wouldn’t even consider offering a deal in this case, I would charge the maximum under the law and I would feel very confident of the likelihood of getting a jury to endorse the charges, even in the absence of a BAC. The facts of the case are so horrific the jurors will be twisting in their chairs chomping at the bit to get to deliberations and the verdict form.

This case really disturbs me having attended a lovely wedding of a similar age couple just last September. It was such a magical ceremony and reception, so much loving energy if it had ended this way I can imagine many of us there would have experienced a real trauma from which we would struggle to recover. I cannot imagine the pain of her family and his and their many beloved friends.

There was a famous case in Miami involving a drunk driving NFL player hitting and killing a pedestrian. The NFL player essentially got off with a slap on the wrist because the pedestrian was [also] at fault. He went on to play in the NFL again.

[Illegally] driving golf carts on a road is very, very dangerous; drunk drivers or not.

Just came onto this thread, didn't you?

My parents live in a quiet town where pensioners drive carts around illegally. I hate it. It is dangerous, especially if they take them to restaurants or to community events in the park which end at dusk or past dark. A huge car going the speed limit will easily kill you on one of those, so seizing on this driver’s excessive speed is a little misguided, I think.

A simple Yes would do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I saw this and it is absolutely horrific. It upsets me even more knowing that when something similar happened here in the DC area - great kid killed by drunk driver - there were defenders of the drunk driver here in DCUM. Disgusting.

Drunk drivers need to be put away for a long time. No apologies, especially in 2023 when there are Ubers/Lyfts, etc. at the touch of a screen.

Excuses in order:

It was a mistake. The driver shouldn't spend his life in jail for a simple mistake.
There was no intent. He couldn't understand the consequences of exceeding the speed limit slightly.
Why are they allowing people to drive golf carts on the road? Roads are dangerous and golf carts and pedestrians should stay away from them.

I’m hoping, assuming, this response is sarcastic. Even as a person who knows tbe driver intimately I can say I hope she goes away for life.

She had multiple speeding violations prior and a very privileged life that she never learned from. I hope she gets the max.

Op you sound like you’re jealous of this person and happy something bad happened to her. That’s not great for your own karma.

Yes. I get massive vendetta vibes from OP.

[Anonymous]

...the OP doesn't sound pleased at all. What're people smoking?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just pointing out - are we 100% sure the drivers of the golf cart, from the wedding, were sober? That they weren't reckless drivers?

I have a house in a golf cart town and have lost my mailbox, several feet off the road, several times now.

This is irrelevant. Nothing about their behavior indicates any wrong doing on their part. If the driver of the cart wasn’t sober, that clearly did not make the driver plow them over at 65 mph.

If all parties involved are drunk, they all may have made stupid decisions - turning into the drunk driver, misjudged the speed of the on coming vechicle, blocking the road, driving erratically on the road could have all been contributors to the death beyond just the speed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think I understand straight up murder as a crime - like I sometimes get why someone would kill someone. But I simply cannot understand drunk driving. It's just so preventable and senseless and needlessly selfish.

NP. I don't really understand people who don't understand drunk driving. Is it an East Coast/city thing? An age thing?

In most of the country, including the Carolinas, when you go to a restaurant or bar or club and have a drink, then you have to drive your car home. There's no other real option. It's too far to walk, there's no public transportation. Uber is convenient in DC but in many places, it's not. And leaving your car overnight is not allowed. The stigma has increased and people have started to be smarter about waiting before driving, but being drunk often means not making the best decisions. Is driving drunk the right thing to do? No. I've never done it, but I know many people who have (many of them have become wiser but not all and not always). I understand it.

I don't understand it and I went to a college in the middle of nowhere when there were no cabs at all or Uber and I NEVER drank and drove because I have integrity and respect for others. This girl did not have one drink at dinner and drive home. She was probably black out. Who knows if she even remembers it.

If you can't have a drink and drive then you shouldn't. I'm much older now but at my age and weight I will not drink at all and drive within 4 hours of drinking.

You don’t have to leave DC to see drunk driving. People do it every day right here. People who can easily afford ride shares. It’s defended on DCUM regularly as “just one drink, what’s the problem?”

"I am actually drive better after a drink or getting high because it reduces my anxiety."

Well if it's actually just one drink, for a normal-sized adult, it is not going to put you over the legal limit. So it's not "drunk driving"

Ahh yes, the defense of drinking and driving. There it is. “Just one drink’”. It’s fiiiine.

One drink isn't drunk driving. It just isn't. Drunk driving is a BAC of .08. I don't know any adult unless they have a disorder or are absolutely miniature who would have a BAC after one standard drink. Some countries do define drunk driving as anything above a zero BAC but in the US drunk driving is defined as a BAC of .08 or more.

Not exactly - in my state the BAC is 0.05. Initial reports show that car fatalities have gone down since the law was passed. I think other states will eventually consider lowering the BAC, and some will actually pass it. It seemed extreme at the time, but now everyone here is used to it and it seems more reasonable than 0.08.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, if the driver of the golf cart had been drinking, it will be used by the defense to try to mitigate blame and establish shared negligence. Did cart have tail lights and were they operating properly that night? Was the golf cart operating in a safe and predictable manner?

Further, the woman denied a field sobriety test. If the blood draw is inconclusive, this is downgraded to reckless driving. Maybe involuntary manslaughter if the prosecutor is feeling spicy.

If there’s any degree of contributory negligence, it will probably help the driver in lowering a potential prison sentence.

As a former prosecutor with extensive experience prosecuting DUIs, I have to assume you don’t have any at all and maybe are making things up - out of your bum.

I wouldn’t even consider offering a deal in this case, I would charge the maximum under the law and I would feel very confident of the likelihood of getting a jury to endorse the charges, even in the absence of a BAC. The facts of the case are so horrific the jurors will be twisting in their chairs chomping at the bit to get to deliberations and the verdict form.

This case really disturbs me having attended a lovely wedding of a similar age couple just last September. It was such a magical ceremony and reception, so much loving energy if it had ended this way I can imagine many of us there would have experienced a real trauma from which we would struggle to recover. I cannot imagine the pain of her family and his and their many beloved friends.

There was a famous case in Miami involving a drunk driving NFL player hitting and killing a pedestrian. The NFL player essentially got off with a slap on the wrist because the pedestrian was [also] at fault. He went on to play in the NFL again.

[Illegally] driving golf carts on a road is very, very dangerous; drunk drivers or not.

Just came onto this thread, didn't you?

My parents live in a quiet town where pensioners drive carts around illegally. I hate it. It is dangerous, especially if they take them to restaurants or to community events in the park which end at dusk or past dark. A huge car going the speed limit will easily kill you on one of those, so seizing on this driver’s excessive speed is a little misguided, I think.

It wasn't illegal in Folly Beach.

https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/follybeach/latest/follyb_sc/0-0-0-33229

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, if the driver of the golf cart had been drinking, it will be used by the defense to try to mitigate blame and establish shared negligence. Did cart have tail lights and were they operating properly that night? Was the golf cart operating in a safe and predictable manner?

Further, the woman denied a field sobriety test. If the blood draw is inconclusive, this is downgraded to reckless driving. Maybe involuntary manslaughter if the prosecutor is feeling spicy.

If there’s any degree of contributory negligence, it will probably help the driver in lowering a potential prison sentence.

As a former prosecutor with extensive experience prosecuting DUIs, I have to assume you don’t have any at all and maybe are making things up - out of your bum.

I wouldn’t even consider offering a deal in this case, I would charge the maximum under the law and I would feel very confident of the likelihood of getting a jury to endorse the charges, even in the absence of a BAC. The facts of the case are so horrific the jurors will be twisting in their chairs chomping at the bit to get to deliberations and the verdict form.

This case really disturbs me having attended a lovely wedding of a similar age couple just last September. It was such a magical ceremony and reception, so much loving energy if it had ended this way I can imagine many of us there would have experienced a real trauma from which we would struggle to recover. I cannot imagine the pain of her family and his and their many beloved friends.

There was a famous case in Miami involving a drunk driving NFL player hitting and killing a pedestrian. The NFL player essentially got off with a slap on the wrist because the pedestrian was [also] at fault. He went on to play in the NFL again.

[Illegally] driving golf carts on a road is very, very dangerous; drunk drivers or not.

Just came onto this thread, didn't you?

My parents live in a quiet town where pensioners drive carts around illegally. I hate it. It is dangerous, especially if they take them to restaurants or to community events in the park which end at dusk or past dark. A huge car going the speed limit will easily kill you on one of those, so seizing on this driver’s excessive speed is a little misguided, I think.

It wasn't illegal in Folly Beach.

https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/follybeach/latest/follyb_sc/0-0-0-33229

It should be illegal. Not safe and never has been.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, if the driver of the golf cart had been drinking, it will be used by the defense to try to mitigate blame and establish shared negligence. Did cart have tail lights and were they operating properly that night? Was the golf cart operating in a safe and predictable manner?

Further, the woman denied a field sobriety test. If the blood draw is inconclusive, this is downgraded to reckless driving. Maybe involuntary manslaughter if the prosecutor is feeling spicy.

If there’s any degree of contributory negligence, it will probably help the driver in lowering a potential prison sentence.

As a former prosecutor with extensive experience prosecuting DUIs, I have to assume you don’t have any at all and maybe are making things up - out of your bum.

I wouldn’t even consider offering a deal in this case, I would charge the maximum under the law and I would feel very confident of the likelihood of getting a jury to endorse the charges, even in the absence of a BAC. The facts of the case are so horrific the jurors will be twisting in their chairs chomping at the bit to get to deliberations and the verdict form.

This case really disturbs me having attended a lovely wedding of a similar age couple just last September. It was such a magical ceremony and reception, so much loving energy if it had ended this way I can imagine many of us there would have experienced a real trauma from which we would struggle to recover. I cannot imagine the pain of her family and his and their many beloved friends.

There was a famous case in Miami involving a drunk driving NFL player hitting and killing a pedestrian. The NFL player essentially got off with a slap on the wrist because the pedestrian was [also] at fault. He went on to play in the NFL again.

[Illegally] driving golf carts on a road is very, very dangerous; drunk drivers or not.

Just came onto this thread, didn't you?

My parents live in a quiet town where pensioners drive carts around illegally. I hate it. It is dangerous, especially if they take them to restaurants or to community events in the park which end at dusk or past dark. A huge car going the speed limit will easily kill you on one of those, so seizing on this driver’s excessive speed is a little misguided, I think.

It wasn't illegal in Folly Beach.

https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/follybeach/latest/follyb_sc/0-0-0-33229

It should be illegal. Not safe and never has been.

How do you feel about mopeds or scooters?