Abbott elementary takes on the Charter School Movement

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

Should have phrased it this way: I think they ( DCPS students ) often get an absolutely shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart that anti-charter people would have them stuck in it for some political purity test, false narrative bs.

Charters have in no way “ruined” public education in DC. They have strengthened it in the last 20 years. People need to acknowledge the nuance when they talk about charter schools.

How familiar are you with what actually happens in DCPS vs. charters? Because the truth is there really isn’t much of a difference unless you choose something so different from the standard (like Montessori, but that also exists in DCPS). The reason why some schools in DCPS are seen as “bad” has nothing to do with the quality of education, but rather the demographics of the school. It’s kind of hard to have high test scores when so many students enter elementary school not having been raised in the best environment and when they experience food insecurity, gun violence, etc.

Well, the test scores are indicative that a large percentage of resources will be focused on the kids that need remediation, potentially in large part due to their home circumstances. Wanting your non-remedial child to be challenged means you want a different setting for your child.

I’m not sure what “resources” you’re wanting that aren’t available. Do you mean curriculum? Because the curriculum for the next grade level(s) could be used for acceleration. And small group instruction addresses both remediation and enrichment/acceleration.

If your kid is accelerated, they get less small group time. Once a week is what I remember from when my kids were in elementary. I know why that is, but when a parent of an accelerated child compares that to the resources the kid would get in a gifted classroom in Fairfax, they aren’t wrong to say their kid is getting fewer resources.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

Should have phrased it this way: I think they ( DCPS students ) often get an absolutely shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart that anti-charter people would have them stuck in it for some political purity test, false narrative bs.

Charters have in no way “ruined” public education in DC. They have strengthened it in the last 20 years. People need to acknowledge the nuance when they talk about charter schools.

How familiar are you with what actually happens in DCPS vs. charters? Because the truth is there really isn’t much of a difference unless you choose something so different from the standard (like Montessori, but that also exists in DCPS). The reason why some schools in DCPS are seen as “bad” has nothing to do with the quality of education, but rather the demographics of the school. It’s kind of hard to have high test scores when so many students enter elementary school not having been raised in the best environment and when they experience food insecurity, gun violence, etc.

Well, the test scores are indicative that a large percentage of resources will be focused on the kids that need remediation, potentially in large part due to their home circumstances. Wanting your non-remedial child to be challenged means you want a different setting for your child.

I’m not sure what “resources” you’re wanting that aren’t available. Do you mean curriculum? Because the curriculum for the next grade level(s) could be used for acceleration. And small group instruction addresses both remediation and enrichment/acceleration.

'Resources' meaning teacher attention and class time, largely. If teachers have to direct the level to kids that are behind grade level, then there's not going to be much for the kids that don't need that attention. I agree that small group instruction may help, but from what I've heard, in DCPS that largely means giving the on-grade-level kids some worksheets, or getting them to be the 'pseudo-TA' to the kids that need more help.

Teachers on this board discuss all of the time that they do not have the bandwidth to address a range of kids' needs, but have to focus on kids needing more help.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

Should have phrased it this way: I think they ( DCPS students ) often get an absolutely shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart that anti-charter people would have them stuck in it for some political purity test, false narrative bs.

Charters have in no way “ruined” public education in DC. They have strengthened it in the last 20 years. People need to acknowledge the nuance when they talk about charter schools.

How familiar are you with what actually happens in DCPS vs. charters? Because the truth is there really isn’t much of a difference unless you choose something so different from the standard (like Montessori, but that also exists in DCPS). The reason why some schools in DCPS are seen as “bad” has nothing to do with the quality of education, but rather the demographics of the school. It’s kind of hard to have high test scores when so many students enter elementary school not having been raised in the best environment and when they experience food insecurity, gun violence, etc.

Ummmm, no. Their test scores are atrocious . Name me the DCPS school that has good test scores and it viewed as "bad" due to demographics. You are delusional. I'll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

Should have phrased it this way: I think they ( DCPS students ) often get an absolutely shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart that anti-charter people would have them stuck in it for some political purity test, false narrative bs.

Charters have in no way “ruined” public education in DC. They have strengthened it in the last 20 years. People need to acknowledge the nuance when they talk about charter schools.

How familiar are you with what actually happens in DCPS vs. charters? Because the truth is there really isn’t much of a difference unless you choose something so different from the standard (like Montessori, but that also exists in DCPS). The reason why some schools in DCPS are seen as “bad” has nothing to do with the quality of education, but rather the demographics of the school. It’s kind of hard to have high test scores when so many students enter elementary school not having been raised in the best environment and when they experience food insecurity, gun violence, etc.

Ummmm, no. Their test scores are atrocious . Name me the DCPS school that has good test scores and it viewed as "bad" due to demographics. You are delusional. I'll wait.

Test score proficiency is not a way to evaluate schools. In fact I'd call it atrocious

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

Should have phrased it this way: I think they ( DCPS students ) often get an absolutely shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart that anti-charter people would have them stuck in it for some political purity test, false narrative bs.

Charters have in no way “ruined” public education in DC. They have strengthened it in the last 20 years. People need to acknowledge the nuance when they talk about charter schools.

How familiar are you with what actually happens in DCPS vs. charters? Because the truth is there really isn’t much of a difference unless you choose something so different from the standard (like Montessori, but that also exists in DCPS). The reason why some schools in DCPS are seen as “bad” has nothing to do with the quality of education, but rather the demographics of the school. It’s kind of hard to have high test scores when so many students enter elementary school not having been raised in the best environment and when they experience food insecurity, gun violence, etc.

Ummmm, no. Their test scores are atrocious . Name me the DCPS school that has good test scores and it viewed as "bad" due to demographics. You are delusional. I'll wait.

Test score proficiency is not a way to evaluate schools. In fact I'd call it atrocious

Depends on the kind of test. At least in theory, PARCC is a measure of what students have learned. Even DCPS uses test scores to evaluate schools add nd teachers.

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Did you look at the link? The expulsion rate was 0.1% and the Mid-Year Withdrawal rate was 5.3%. They are counseling out (that's charter for "expelling") roughly 5% of their students. I know you have no issues with them doing it, which is why I laughed at your assertion that they don't do it, and also, good for them for doing it. Now that you've admitted twice that they do get rid of kids they don't want to deal with, what is the point of continuing to argue that they don't?

Student mobility rates are EXTREMELY high in DC. Mid-year withdrawals ACROSS SECTORS are very high. This includes movement across schools and into and out of the district. The data for DCPS are similar to charters. It's fine to have a bone to pick but if you don't ground it in actual evidence, what's the point of conversation?

A big chunk of that is going to be kids who start at their IB or Charter B in August and then move to Charter A after getting off the waitlist in September.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

Should have phrased it this way: I think they ( DCPS students ) often get an absolutely shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart that anti-charter people would have them stuck in it for some political purity test, false narrative bs.

Charters have in no way “ruined” public education in DC. They have strengthened it in the last 20 years. People need to acknowledge the nuance when they talk about charter schools.

How familiar are you with what actually happens in DCPS vs. charters? Because the truth is there really isn’t much of a difference unless you choose something so different from the standard (like Montessori, but that also exists in DCPS). The reason why some schools in DCPS are seen as “bad” has nothing to do with the quality of education, but rather the demographics of the school. It’s kind of hard to have high test scores when so many students enter elementary school not having been raised in the best environment and when they experience food insecurity, gun violence, etc.

Ummmm, no. Their test scores are atrocious . Name me the DCPS school that has good test scores and it viewed as "bad" due to demographics. You are delusional. I'll wait.

Test score proficiency is not a way to evaluate schools. In fact I'd call it atrocious

Just assess based off vibes. What could go wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. This just reinforces why I won’t watch the show. Read the room - a show with public school teachers as heroes was not exactly on my to-watch list after school shutdowns. And now anti-charter propaganda? No thanks.

Find your brain.

SCHOOL CHOICE IS A SCAM

So called "charter schools" like the Betsey DeVos model are you insane?

NO that is not a viable option for schools unless you want more dumb Americans.

It is not propaganda it is FACT that school choice makes schools worse not better.

Stop with your lies.

wow that was super convincing

I mean, it would be convincing to you if you were bright.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. This just reinforces why I won’t watch the show. Read the room - a show with public school teachers as heroes was not exactly on my to-watch list after school shutdowns. And now anti-charter propaganda? No thanks.

You tantrum continues, Year Three. Grow so very much up.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Alabama, Arkansaw, Missouri, Mississippi, and Oklahoma and come back and show us where school choice is a good idea? Literally the worst of public education.

That is utter BS by the Christian right. Great now more child abuse given the number one place kids get abused is by Christian ministers, pastors priests etc.

Not to mention you pay for this. Seriously people book banners do not make good schools.

ma’am this is the DC schools forum.

Yes, ma’am, we know, and as we are discussing charter schools in a larger context (as highlighted by Abbott Elementary), the PP’s point was relevant. Try addressing it, rather than trying and failing to be cute by deflecting.

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Anonymous wrote:How dumb must one me to get talking points from a network TV show. Lmfao.

You typed “lmfao” (are you 80?) and then called OTHER people dumb. Clearly, self-awareness is not your strong suit. Sad.

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Anonymous wrote:How dumb must one me to get talking points from a network TV show. Lmfao.

You typed “lmfao” (are you 80?) and then called OTHER people dumb. Clearly, self-awareness is not your strong suit. Sad.

Enjoy your little network comedy.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

Should have phrased it this way: I think they ( DCPS students ) often get an absolutely shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart that anti-charter people would have them stuck in it for some political purity test, false narrative bs.

Charters have in no way “ruined” public education in DC. They have strengthened it in the last 20 years. People need to acknowledge the nuance when they talk about charter schools.

How familiar are you with what actually happens in DCPS vs. charters? Because the truth is there really isn’t much of a difference unless you choose something so different from the standard (like Montessori, but that also exists in DCPS). The reason why some schools in DCPS are seen as “bad” has nothing to do with the quality of education, but rather the demographics of the school. It’s kind of hard to have high test scores when so many students enter elementary school not having been raised in the best environment and when they experience food insecurity, gun violence, etc.

Well, the test scores are indicative that a large percentage of resources will be focused on the kids that need remediation, potentially in large part due to their home circumstances. Wanting your non-remedial child to be challenged means you want a different setting for your child.

I’m not sure what “resources” you’re wanting that aren’t available. Do you mean curriculum? Because the curriculum for the next grade level(s) could be used for acceleration. And small group instruction addresses both remediation and enrichment/acceleration.

If your kid is accelerated, they get less small group time. Once a week is what I remember from when my kids were in elementary. I know why that is, but when a parent of an accelerated child compares that to the resources the kid would get in a gifted classroom in Fairfax, they aren’t wrong to say their kid is getting fewer resources.

They should be getting the same amount of small group time. If it’s not happening, address it with the teacher, then admin. If that doesn’t work, take it to central office.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

Should have phrased it this way: I think they ( DCPS students ) often get an absolutely shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart that anti-charter people would have them stuck in it for some political purity test, false narrative bs.

Charters have in no way “ruined” public education in DC. They have strengthened it in the last 20 years. People need to acknowledge the nuance when they talk about charter schools.

How familiar are you with what actually happens in DCPS vs. charters? Because the truth is there really isn’t much of a difference unless you choose something so different from the standard (like Montessori, but that also exists in DCPS). The reason why some schools in DCPS are seen as “bad” has nothing to do with the quality of education, but rather the demographics of the school. It’s kind of hard to have high test scores when so many students enter elementary school not having been raised in the best environment and when they experience food insecurity, gun violence, etc.

Well, the test scores are indicative that a large percentage of resources will be focused on the kids that need remediation, potentially in large part due to their home circumstances. Wanting your non-remedial child to be challenged means you want a different setting for your child.

I’m not sure what “resources” you’re wanting that aren’t available. Do you mean curriculum? Because the curriculum for the next grade level(s) could be used for acceleration. And small group instruction addresses both remediation and enrichment/acceleration.

'Resources' meaning teacher attention and class time, largely. If teachers have to direct the level to kids that are behind grade level, then there's not going to be much for the kids that don't need that attention. I agree that small group instruction may help, but from what I've heard, in DCPS that largely means giving the on-grade-level kids some worksheets, or getting them to be the 'pseudo-TA' to the kids that need more help.

Teachers on this board discuss all of the time that they do not have the bandwidth to address a range of kids' needs, but have to focus on kids needing more help.

I was a teacher and had the bandwidth to do it. The issue is teachers need to be taught how to do it. There’s no reason students who are advanced can’t get the same differentiation that students below grade level get. It’s very easy to do when small group instruction should already be happening and the curriculum spans different grade levels. If your child isn’t receiving the appropriate instruction, please speak to the school about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

Should have phrased it this way: I think they ( DCPS students ) often get an absolutely shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart that anti-charter people would have them stuck in it for some political purity test, false narrative bs.

Charters have in no way “ruined” public education in DC. They have strengthened it in the last 20 years. People need to acknowledge the nuance when they talk about charter schools.

How familiar are you with what actually happens in DCPS vs. charters? Because the truth is there really isn’t much of a difference unless you choose something so different from the standard (like Montessori, but that also exists in DCPS). The reason why some schools in DCPS are seen as “bad” has nothing to do with the quality of education, but rather the demographics of the school. It’s kind of hard to have high test scores when so many students enter elementary school not having been raised in the best environment and when they experience food insecurity, gun violence, etc.

Well, the test scores are indicative that a large percentage of resources will be focused on the kids that need remediation, potentially in large part due to their home circumstances. Wanting your non-remedial child to be challenged means you want a different setting for your child.

I’m not sure what “resources” you’re wanting that aren’t available. Do you mean curriculum? Because the curriculum for the next grade level(s) could be used for acceleration. And small group instruction addresses both remediation and enrichment/acceleration.

If your kid is accelerated, they get less small group time. Once a week is what I remember from when my kids were in elementary. I know why that is, but when a parent of an accelerated child compares that to the resources the kid would get in a gifted classroom in Fairfax, they aren’t wrong to say their kid is getting fewer resources.

They should be getting the same amount of small group time. If it’s not happening, address it with the teacher, then admin. If that doesn’t work, take it to central office.

1) Teachers would complain that you are a "pushy, entitled parent". There's a general notion of this board that teachers would like these pushy, entitled parents to leave their schools.
2) There's a strong reticence to make life harder for teachers, and it seems like complaining to their bosses would make life harder for them
3) if the landscape is "you might have to advocate hard for your kid to get on-grade-level instruction", then that seems, in a world of choice, to not be worth the risk
4) DCPS teachers on here complain that admin is unresponsive and that central office is worse. Maybe that means unresponsive to THEM, but it suggests that there is not some dynamic problem-solving mechanism to help kids.