travel jealousy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We typically take 3 international trips a year but here's the deal:

- Our home is paid off, so no mortgage.
- Our cars are paid off
- We have no children
- We both work decent paying jobs
- We now live in a lower COL area than DC (Chicagoland, so not a gigantic difference but it is lower than NOVA)

Way to bury the lede! Should have started with this one - its the only one that really matters.

Lead?

I was also unaware that it was spelled lede, but appreciated the education. You learn something new every day.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/bury-the-lede-versus-lead

[Anonymous]

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I love to travel, but don’t really feel the need for a lot of big trips. We have done a lot of the big parks out west, which are awesome, and a little bit of international travel. Still, some of our best memories as a family are simple vacations to OBX, Cape Cod, Canaan Valley…etc.

If you have traveled a lot, it’s easy to say you don’t need to travel much anymore. Some of us didn’t travel at all as kids and young adults and are making up for lost time. If you already got yours, great, but many of us didn’t and we aren’t going to stay home because all the people who got to travel before us polluted.

I wasn’t saying not to travel. We are flying overseas for spring break. My point was we need to really start thinking about our actions and their impact. How much is too much? To a hardcore environmentalist, my trip overseas is indulgent…and it probably is. Somebody’s 4000 square foot home is frowned on. I’m not casting stones. Most of us are guilty of over consumption to some degree. I worry that we are not leaving the earth better than we found it and future generations will say “what were they thinking.”

Again, until nations and corporations make large strides, the rest is just us spraying a garden hose at a forest fire.

National governments, to be exact. The only way to solve issues like this. It's why smog isn't a problem anymore, and water is mostly safe- because of federal laws with enforcement teeth. Anything else is nice and certainly doesn't hurt, but mostly is tilting at windmills. Simplest and fairest way is probably a carbon tax combined with credits back to those with moderate and low incomes so they aren't made worse off.

👍

Nobody likes big government, but it’s way better than the alternative, Government needs to lead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We typically take 3 international trips a year but here's the deal:

- Our home is paid off, so no mortgage.
- Our cars are paid off
- We have no children
- We both work decent paying jobs
- We now live in a lower COL area than DC (Chicagoland, so not a gigantic difference but it is lower than NOVA)

Way to bury the lede! Should have started with this one - its the only one that really matters.

Lead?

I was also unaware that it was spelled lede, but appreciated the education. You learn something new every day.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/bury-the-lede-versus-lead

Yep, I’m the one who wrote it on this thread. I’m in my 40’s and didn’t learn it until I was probably at least 30.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze

No. Humans are driven to travel and roam, stupid. They’ve always done it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze

No. Humans are driven to travel and roam, stupid. They’ve always done it.

Our French relatives didn't seem to move more than ten miles for 300 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze

No. Humans are driven to travel and roam, stupid. They’ve always done it.

Some have. The vast majority of human beings live within a few hours of where they were born, and most people never travel beyond their home country or region. We are actually in a very small subset of people within the history of the planet who travel this extensively. It's not "natural" in the sense that people have always done it.

Obviously it's not just social media though. It's the development of plane travel, the rise of the middle and upper middle class (not just in the US but everywhere -- global travel in recent years has been driven by the rise of the Chinese middle/upper-middle class), and the advent of the internet. But social media definitely plays a role now in terms of where people go, and has changed the way people travel and also what their goals are when they do. That's obvious if you go anywhere that is "Instagram famous" -- there are national parks where you used to be able to go pretty much anytime, even peak season, and find affordable lodging and plenty of space. Now you reservation systems that sell out constantly, park rangers who have to impose limits on how long people can spend taking selfies in certain famous locations, etc.

And even if you want to argue that social media doesn't encourage travel, you'd be crazy to think social media doesn't increase "travel jealousy", the phenomenon that is the topic of this thread. There's been travel jealousy of some kind for a long time (like when all the rich people used to leave cities in the summer and go to summer houses while all the poor people just had to get used to the scent of human feces baking in the sun) but the jealousy is a lot stringer now that the rich people can post photos for the poor people to look at. #upwindgoals

[Anonymous]

I always experience this gross mixture of envy and disgust that people take these long haul flights multiple times a year and how bad it is for the environment. It's weird. I never act anything but excited for them, but inside I half wish it were me and half feel disgust at their constant consumerism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze

No. Humans are driven to travel and roam, stupid. They’ve always done it.

Some have. The vast majority of human beings live within a few hours of where they were born, and most people never travel beyond their home country or region. We are actually in a very small subset of people within the history of the planet who travel this extensively. It's not "natural" in the sense that people have always done it.

Obviously it's not just social media though. It's the development of plane travel, the rise of the middle and upper middle class (not just in the US but everywhere -- global travel in recent years has been driven by the rise of the Chinese middle/upper-middle class), and the advent of the internet. But social media definitely plays a role now in terms of where people go, and has changed the way people travel and also what their goals are when they do. That's obvious if you go anywhere that is "Instagram famous" -- there are national parks where you used to be able to go pretty much anytime, even peak season, and find affordable lodging and plenty of space. Now you reservation systems that sell out constantly, park rangers who have to impose limits on how long people can spend taking selfies in certain famous locations, etc.

And even if you want to argue that social media doesn't encourage travel, you'd be crazy to think social media doesn't increase "travel jealousy", the phenomenon that is the topic of this thread. There's been travel jealousy of some kind for a long time (like when all the rich people used to leave cities in the summer and go to summer houses while all the poor people just had to get used to the scent of human feces baking in the sun) but the jealousy is a lot stringer now that the rich people can post photos for the poor people to look at. #upwindgoals

It’s wild to shame people for travel. It’s a perspective-broadening experience. That’s a great thing to spend your time and money on. Shame influencers for buying 200 pairs of jeans or Amazon hauls, sure. Travel? Get real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze

And it’s so weird because you go to a pretty place and you see all these people trying to get the perfect Insta pose but then like leave or not really seem to take it in. Like ok, I love taking pictures for memories as well. But as part of the process not as the main thing to do on a trip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze

No. Humans are driven to travel and roam, stupid. They’ve always done it.

Some have. The vast majority of human beings live within a few hours of where they were born, and most people never travel beyond their home country or region. We are actually in a very small subset of people within the history of the planet who travel this extensively. It's not "natural" in the sense that people have always done it.

Obviously it's not just social media though. It's the development of plane travel, the rise of the middle and upper middle class (not just in the US but everywhere -- global travel in recent years has been driven by the rise of the Chinese middle/upper-middle class), and the advent of the internet. But social media definitely plays a role now in terms of where people go, and has changed the way people travel and also what their goals are when they do. That's obvious if you go anywhere that is "Instagram famous" -- there are national parks where you used to be able to go pretty much anytime, even peak season, and find affordable lodging and plenty of space. Now you reservation systems that sell out constantly, park rangers who have to impose limits on how long people can spend taking selfies in certain famous locations, etc.

And even if you want to argue that social media doesn't encourage travel, you'd be crazy to think social media doesn't increase "travel jealousy", the phenomenon that is the topic of this thread. There's been travel jealousy of some kind for a long time (like when all the rich people used to leave cities in the summer and go to summer houses while all the poor people just had to get used to the scent of human feces baking in the sun) but the jealousy is a lot stringer now that the rich people can post photos for the poor people to look at. #upwindgoals

It’s wild to shame people for travel. It’s a perspective-broadening experience. That’s a great thing to spend your time and money on. Shame influencers for buying 200 pairs of jeans or Amazon hauls, sure. Travel? Get real.

I posted earlier in this thread. But what is the cost of all this perspective broadening (which again doesn’t automatically happen with travel abroad)? It rubs me the wrong way as a person from a developing country that people like you use other countries as playgrounds to broaden your horizons when most of the time you aren’t doing such a thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze

And it’s so weird because you go to a pretty place and you see all these people trying to get the perfect Insta pose but then like leave or not really seem to take it in. Like ok, I love taking pictures for memories as well. But as part of the process not as the main thing to do on a trip.

I didn’t know this until recently, but apparently it’s now normal for a woman to show her bf/partner/spouse examples ahead of time of what she wants the pictures to look like so he will know in advance what she expects. This is true for travel, engagement, pregnancy photos, etc. It’s a whole thing now where they complain saying “here are the photos I showed him in advance and here is what he took.” I feel so sorry for hetero men these days. My DH has no clue how good he has it.

[Anonymous]

I think the younger generation is going to look back at the 4000sq houses, Uber consumerism, and multiple plane trips as their world is burning and ask WTF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze

No. Humans are driven to travel and roam, stupid. They’ve always done it.

Some have. The vast majority of human beings live within a few hours of where they were born, and most people never travel beyond their home country or region. We are actually in a very small subset of people within the history of the planet who travel this extensively. It's not "natural" in the sense that people have always done it.

Obviously it's not just social media though. It's the development of plane travel, the rise of the middle and upper middle class (not just in the US but everywhere -- global travel in recent years has been driven by the rise of the Chinese middle/upper-middle class), and the advent of the internet. But social media definitely plays a role now in terms of where people go, and has changed the way people travel and also what their goals are when they do. That's obvious if you go anywhere that is "Instagram famous" -- there are national parks where you used to be able to go pretty much anytime, even peak season, and find affordable lodging and plenty of space. Now you reservation systems that sell out constantly, park rangers who have to impose limits on how long people can spend taking selfies in certain famous locations, etc.

And even if you want to argue that social media doesn't encourage travel, you'd be crazy to think social media doesn't increase "travel jealousy", the phenomenon that is the topic of this thread. There's been travel jealousy of some kind for a long time (like when all the rich people used to leave cities in the summer and go to summer houses while all the poor people just had to get used to the scent of human feces baking in the sun) but the jealousy is a lot stringer now that the rich people can post photos for the poor people to look at. #upwindgoals

It’s wild to shame people for travel. It’s a perspective-broadening experience. That’s a great thing to spend your time and money on. Shame influencers for buying 200 pairs of jeans or Amazon hauls, sure. Travel? Get real.

I posted earlier in this thread. But what is the cost of all this perspective broadening (which again doesn’t automatically happen with travel abroad)? It rubs me the wrong way as a person from a developing country that people like you use other countries as playgrounds to broaden your horizons when most of the time you aren’t doing such a thing.

You’re from a developing country … and moved to another place … and want to shame people for traveling. LOL ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze

No. Humans are driven to travel and roam, stupid. They’ve always done it.

Some have. The vast majority of human beings live within a few hours of where they were born, and most people never travel beyond their home country or region. We are actually in a very small subset of people within the history of the planet who travel this extensively. It's not "natural" in the sense that people have always done it.

Obviously it's not just social media though. It's the development of plane travel, the rise of the middle and upper middle class (not just in the US but everywhere -- global travel in recent years has been driven by the rise of the Chinese middle/upper-middle class), and the advent of the internet. But social media definitely plays a role now in terms of where people go, and has changed the way people travel and also what their goals are when they do. That's obvious if you go anywhere that is "Instagram famous" -- there are national parks where you used to be able to go pretty much anytime, even peak season, and find affordable lodging and plenty of space. Now you reservation systems that sell out constantly, park rangers who have to impose limits on how long people can spend taking selfies in certain famous locations, etc.

And even if you want to argue that social media doesn't encourage travel, you'd be crazy to think social media doesn't increase "travel jealousy", the phenomenon that is the topic of this thread. There's been travel jealousy of some kind for a long time (like when all the rich people used to leave cities in the summer and go to summer houses while all the poor people just had to get used to the scent of human feces baking in the sun) but the jealousy is a lot stringer now that the rich people can post photos for the poor people to look at. #upwindgoals

It’s wild to shame people for travel. It’s a perspective-broadening experience. That’s a great thing to spend your time and money on. Shame influencers for buying 200 pairs of jeans or Amazon hauls, sure. Travel? Get real.

Where is there shaming in the prior post? It's just descriptive.

Though since you mentioned it, travel can be a perspective-broadening experience, but it isn't always. And some people travel in ways designed to keep their perspective as narrow as possible. Meanwhile there are people who don't travel at all and are good at finding perspective-broadening opportunities close to home. A lot of people just travel to relax or shop or whatever. I don't view people taking Caribbean cruises as some kind of public good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze

No. Humans are driven to travel and roam, stupid. They’ve always done it.

Some have. The vast majority of human beings live within a few hours of where they were born, and most people never travel beyond their home country or region. We are actually in a very small subset of people within the history of the planet who travel this extensively. It's not "natural" in the sense that people have always done it.

Obviously it's not just social media though. It's the development of plane travel, the rise of the middle and upper middle class (not just in the US but everywhere -- global travel in recent years has been driven by the rise of the Chinese middle/upper-middle class), and the advent of the internet. But social media definitely plays a role now in terms of where people go, and has changed the way people travel and also what their goals are when they do. That's obvious if you go anywhere that is "Instagram famous" -- there are national parks where you used to be able to go pretty much anytime, even peak season, and find affordable lodging and plenty of space. Now you reservation systems that sell out constantly, park rangers who have to impose limits on how long people can spend taking selfies in certain famous locations, etc.

And even if you want to argue that social media doesn't encourage travel, you'd be crazy to think social media doesn't increase "travel jealousy", the phenomenon that is the topic of this thread. There's been travel jealousy of some kind for a long time (like when all the rich people used to leave cities in the summer and go to summer houses while all the poor people just had to get used to the scent of human feces baking in the sun) but the jealousy is a lot stringer now that the rich people can post photos for the poor people to look at. #upwindgoals

It’s wild to shame people for travel. It’s a perspective-broadening experience. That’s a great thing to spend your time and money on. Shame influencers for buying 200 pairs of jeans or Amazon hauls, sure. Travel? Get real.

I posted earlier in this thread. But what is the cost of all this perspective broadening (which again doesn’t automatically happen with travel abroad)? It rubs me the wrong way as a person from a developing country that people like you use other countries as playgrounds to broaden your horizons when most of the time you aren’t doing such a thing.

You’re from a developing country … and moved to another place … and want to shame people for traveling. LOL ok.

You don’t see the difference between migrating and traveling multiple times per year? Are you dense? Lol ok.