Satanic Temple to offer abortion services in New Mexico

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone comment on the likelihood that this will see a courtroom? Are they trying to make a viable case to eventually get to the Supreme Court or is this more publicity than trying to change policy. I fully support their efforts (and I’m a pretty churchy Christian!) just curious what the end game is.

It's already being done by many secular women's health groups.

So, for example, OP's link says the Satanic Temple will mail out pills from their base in Massachusetts to New Mexico (only), if you become a ST member and mumble their tenets. But here's another secular women's health group group, just one of many, that will mail out pills from Massachusetts to New Mexico, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, and Virginia without any requirement that you join: https://care.wholewomanshealth.com/abortion-clinics/virtual-clinic/?gclid=CjwKCAiArY2fBhB9EiwAWqHK6kCJ_My7DgKgi6pVXYYsOeLA7d40mQIi6m3XCFivvA9m-tcEgRO_VBoCHoYQAvD_BwE. I think I know who I'd trust....

Just google "abortion pill by mail" and many states come up.

PS. I'm another churchy Christian who supports choice.

[Anonymous]

To give you an idea, this place in Chevy Chase will mail you abortion pills: https://info.carafem.org/schedule-today-dc?gclid=CjwKCAiArY2fBhB9EiwAWqHK6qo4HHSr0shRxWOuBkGThnyMndzOmvaGL09Tm0g4SFAN-pzUqVAYSBoCcjkQAvD_BwE

It's really common. It doesn't have to be part of a publicity stunt, membership drive, or donation grab.

-- the other pro-choice Christian again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Satanic Temple is using the freedom of religion to point out the BS that the Christo-Fascist state uses to push their religion on everyone else. It’s not actually about the devil.

Except you have to join the Satanic Temple and perform their Abortion Ritual to get abortion medication.

That seems diametrically opposed to religious freedom. That’s proselytizing.

Yes.

Except the Satanic Temple denies the existence of the Devil, so there’s that.

You took the bait, OP. The fact that you are so worked up and outraged over this is hilarious.

I assume that's sarcasm, because of course Catholics believe Satan is real.

Here's a summary of what ST believes.

the organization uses Satanic imagery to promote egalitarianism, social justice, and the separation of church and state, supporting their mission "to encourage benevolence and empathy [among all people]."[9] The Satanic Temple has utilized satire, theatrical ploys, humor, and legal action in their public campaigns to "generate attention and prompt people to reevaluate fears and perceptions",[10] and to "highlight religious hypocrisy and encroachment on religious freedom."[7][11][12][13]

The Satanic Temple does not believe in a supernatural Satan; instead it employs the literary Satan as a metaphor to promote pragmatic skepticism, rational reciprocity, personal autonomy, and curiosity.[8] Satan is thus used as a symbol representing "the eternal rebel" against arbitrary authority and social norms.[14][15] Adherents generally refer to their religion as "Satanism" or "Modern Satanism",[16] while others refer to TST's religion as Compassionate Satanism or Seven Tenet Satanism.[17][18]

I kind of want to join.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Satanic Temple is using the freedom of religion to point out the BS that the Christo-Fascist state uses to push their religion on everyone else. It’s not actually about the devil.

Except you have to join the Satanic Temple and perform their Abortion Ritual to get abortion medication.

That seems diametrically opposed to religious freedom. That’s proselytizing.

Yes.

Except the Satanic Temple denies the existence of the Devil, so there’s that.

You took the bait, OP. The fact that you are so worked up and outraged over this is hilarious.

I assume that's sarcasm, because of course Catholics believe Satan is real.

Here's a summary of what ST believes.

the organization uses Satanic imagery to promote egalitarianism, social justice, and the separation of church and state, supporting their mission "to encourage benevolence and empathy [among all people]."[9] The Satanic Temple has utilized satire, theatrical ploys, humor, and legal action in their public campaigns to "generate attention and prompt people to reevaluate fears and perceptions",[10] and to "highlight religious hypocrisy and encroachment on religious freedom."[7][11][12][13]

The Satanic Temple does not believe in a supernatural Satan; instead it employs the literary Satan as a metaphor to promote pragmatic skepticism, rational reciprocity, personal autonomy, and curiosity.[8] Satan is thus used as a symbol representing "the eternal rebel" against arbitrary authority and social norms.[14][15] Adherents generally refer to their religion as "Satanism" or "Modern Satanism",[16] while others refer to TST's religion as Compassionate Satanism or Seven Tenet Satanism.[17][18]

I kind of want to join.

Their publicity stunt worked, then. Give your money to a women's health group that's fighting for real change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.abqjournal.com/2570996/satanic-temple-samuel-alito-mom-abortion-clinic-to-offer-abortion-services-in-new-mexico.html

The Samuel Alito’s Mom’s Satanic Abortion Clinic, part of The Satanic Temple Health network.

According to the news release, anyone in New Mexico seeking to receive free abortion services must first agree to conduct the Religious Abortion Ritual.


I think asking people to perform a Satanic ritual to receive a free abortion is odd, frankly.

😂😂😂 sounds like a prank …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.abqjournal.com/2570996/satanic-temple-samuel-alito-mom-abortion-clinic-to-offer-abortion-services-in-new-mexico.html

The Samuel Alito’s Mom’s Satanic Abortion Clinic, part of The Satanic Temple Health network.

According to the news release, anyone in New Mexico seeking to receive free abortion services must first agree to conduct the Religious Abortion Ritual.


I think asking people to perform a Satanic ritual to receive a free abortion is odd, frankly.

The Religious Abortion Ritual is intended to “de-stigmatize this medical procedure” through recitation of two of the organization’s tenets, the release said. Something of a self-help, self-empowerment affirmation, the tenets are: “One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone,” and “beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world,” rather than distorting scientific facts to fit personal beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Samuel Alito’s Mom

Providing accessible medical care to women is important. Glad they are stepping up.

As long as you perform the Satanic Ritual of abortion, of course.

What does that Ritual entail?

I think the ritual is.... an abortion.

That's kind of the point of ST. Instead of a lot of mumbo jumbo, blowing incense and candles at you, pretending magic words are real..... They are basically un-religion. So I imagine getting an abortion from them would be a very cold, medical experience. As it actually should be.

Not really - The Religious Abortion Ritual is intended to “de-stigmatize this medical procedure” through recitation of two of the organization’s tenets, the release said. Something of a self-help, self-empowerment affirmation, the tenets are: “One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone,” and “beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world,” rather than distorting scientific facts to fit personal beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.abqjournal.com/2570996/satanic-temple-samuel-alito-mom-abortion-clinic-to-offer-abortion-services-in-new-mexico.html

The Samuel Alito’s Mom’s Satanic Abortion Clinic, part of The Satanic Temple Health network.

According to the news release, anyone in New Mexico seeking to receive free abortion services must first agree to conduct the Religious Abortion Ritual.


I think asking people to perform a Satanic ritual to receive a free abortion is odd, frankly.

The Religious Abortion Ritual is intended to “de-stigmatize this medical procedure” through recitation of two of the organization’s tenets, the release said. Something of a self-help, self-empowerment affirmation, the tenets are: “One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone,” and “beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world,” rather than distorting scientific facts to fit personal beliefs.

So basically the woman has to (a) become a ST member (which you keep neglecting to mention) and (b) relinquish any faith in a higher power. (b) comes from (a) even if it’s only implied in their mandatory “ritual.”

Sounds coercive no matter how you try to cast it as purely self help. If this is actually real and not just a stunt, how many vulnerable girls and women will find themselves compelled to join up? But hey, it boosts ST’s membership so it’s all good, right?

You can easily get the mail-order pills without joining any group or ascribing to their creed/non-creed through an unnecessary extra layer of pseudo “rituals.” Blech.

[Anonymous]

“I know, let’s juice our membership by taking women at their most vulnerable, making them join us, and forcing them to undergo some performative atheist ‘rituals.’”

Instead of, you know, just doing the secular counseling and then just mailing them the pills, like dozens of other women’s heath groups do.

[Anonymous]

Their main goal is to demonstrate that religion has no place in government, schools, medical care, etc.

A side benefit in this case is helping women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this happening in New Mexico when abortion is not threatened there?

Presumably the pills are being mailed to women in oppressed states where their freedoms have been stolen by fascist religious fanatics who hate America and all that it stands for.

I'm pro-choice and as left as they come, but... you need some chill pills yourself.

Also, there are plenty of places that will mail you pills without requiring you to sign on to their tenets, and who aren't nakedly eliciting donations. Just do a quick google search.

No, I won’t chill out about creeping fascism in this country and the erosion of women’s rights.

And the satanism hook to all this is the satire intended to remind us that is a thing. That’s why this is brilliant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone comment on the likelihood that this will see a courtroom? Are they trying to make a viable case to eventually get to the Supreme Court or is this more publicity than trying to change policy. I fully support their efforts (and I’m a pretty churchy Christian!) just curious what the end game is.

It's already being done by many secular women's health groups.

So, for example, OP's link says the Satanic Temple will mail out pills from their base in Massachusetts to New Mexico (only), if you become a ST member and mumble their tenets. But here's another secular women's health group group, just one of many, that will mail out pills from Massachusetts to New Mexico, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, and Virginia without any requirement that you join: https://care.wholewomanshealth.com/abortion-clinics/virtual-clinic/?gclid=CjwKCAiArY2fBhB9EiwAWqHK6kCJ_My7DgKgi6pVXYYsOeLA7d40mQIi6m3XCFivvA9m-tcEgRO_VBoCHoYQAvD_BwE. I think I know who I'd trust....

Just google "abortion pill by mail" and many states come up.

You are completely missing the point. Which provider do people now know more about without googling?

You do realize this isn’t actual proselytizing for satanism, right?

[Anonymous]

Because you know, now the abortion pill might be banned nationwide because of anti-American conservatives.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/09/abortion-pill-trump-judge-possible-ban-mifepristone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this happening in New Mexico when abortion is not threatened there?

Presumably the pills are being mailed to women in oppressed states where their freedoms have been stolen by fascist religious fanatics who hate America and all that it stands for.

I'm pro-choice and as left as they come, but... you need some chill pills yourself.

Also, there are plenty of places that will mail you pills without requiring you to sign on to their tenets, and who aren't nakedly eliciting donations. Just do a quick google search.

No, I won’t chill out about creeping fascism in this country and the erosion of women’s rights.

And the satanism hook to all this is the satire intended to remind us that is a thing. That’s why this is brilliant.

I’m pro-choice too. If the satanic temple really cared about helping women, they wouldn’t take advantage of women’s fear and panic as a membership, recruitment tool. Or pile on gratuitous layers of mindf*** around supporting if not adopting atheism (the temple membership requirement), Alito’s mom, or pseudo-religious tenets and rituals.

If the ST actually cared about women, they’d just do what all the other women’s health groups do. Which is conduct a zoom health screening and then simply mail out the pills.

If you support the ST’s layers of mindf*** for desperate women, you’re part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone comment on the likelihood that this will see a courtroom? Are they trying to make a viable case to eventually get to the Supreme Court or is this more publicity than trying to change policy. I fully support their efforts (and I’m a pretty churchy Christian!) just curious what the end game is.

It's already being done by many secular women's health groups.

So, for example, OP's link says the Satanic Temple will mail out pills from their base in Massachusetts to New Mexico (only), if you become a ST member and mumble their tenets. But here's another secular women's health group group, just one of many, that will mail out pills from Massachusetts to New Mexico, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, and Virginia without any requirement that you join: https://care.wholewomanshealth.com/abortion-clinics/virtual-clinic/?gclid=CjwKCAiArY2fBhB9EiwAWqHK6kCJ_My7DgKgi6pVXYYsOeLA7d40mQIi6m3XCFivvA9m-tcEgRO_VBoCHoYQAvD_BwE. I think I know who I'd trust....

Just google "abortion pill by mail" and many states come up.

You are completely missing the point. Which provider do people now know more about without googling?

You do realize this isn’t actual proselytizing for satanism, right?

So now your point is, the Satanic Tempke’s publicity stunt worked, so we’ll give them a pass on manipulating desperate women to join their organization and perform their gratuitous layer of mindf*** tenets and rituals. Uh huh.

The ST requires women to support if not adopt the ST’s agendas, via the requirement to join the ST and perform their rituals to get the pills. Don’t be deliberately dense, we can see through it.