List your top 50 universities/LACs

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Anonymous wrote:I find it difficult to include any SLAC among the top 20 to 25 colleges and universities for a variety of reasons including the option of honors colleges at large state public universities which, arguably, provide the best of both worlds. I think that US News is correct in separating rankings for National Universities & Liberal Arts Colleges (LACs).

Responding to the thread question to list one's top 50 National Universities and Liberal Arts Colleges (LACs), but excluding the service academies (I would rank all three main service academies--USNA, USMA, & USAFA--among the first group of schools along with several other specialty schools such as USCGA, Juilliard, Curtis Institute of Music, Webb Institute of Naval Architecture, maritime academies, RISD, Cooper Union, Olin, Rose Hulman, & Berea College) :

Group One: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, CalTech, & UPenn's Wharton School of Business.

Group Two: Northwestern, Chicago, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon, Rice, Columbia, Penn, Brown, WashUStL, & Georgetown's School of Foreign Service.

Group Three: Cornell, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Williams College, Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna College, Pomona College, Swarthmore College & Amherst College.

Group Four: UC-Berkeley & UCLA & UC-San Diego, Georgia Tech & Michigan (all great schools, but large class sizes & poor student: teacher ratios).

Group Five: Virginia, William & Mary, Wellesley College, Notre Dame, Emory, Barnard College, USC, & Georgetown.

Group Six: NYU, UNC, Wake Forest, Davidson College, Bowdoin College, Carleton College, Middlebury College, Boston College, Hamilton College, Cal Poly & Tufts.

This is so bad. WashUStL in group 2? CMU is only in group 2 for CS, not overall. If you're going to include Chicago, Hopkins, and Rice in group 2, you have to put Dartmouth. UCSD above USC, Notre Dame, and Georgetown? I could go on-and-on about the problems with this.

Don't bother as you obviously do not know schools well.

I think you're the one who's mistaken. Can you provide any reasoning how WashU is in a higher group than Dartmouth? Or how UCSD is in a higher group than Notre Dame? Notre Dame has the 6th largest endowment in the country, they have more financial resources than most ivy league schools and certainly more than UCSD which is much larger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it difficult to include any SLAC among the top 20 to 25 colleges and universities for a variety of reasons including the option of honors colleges at large state public universities which, arguably, provide the best of both worlds. I think that US News is correct in separating rankings for National Universities & Liberal Arts Colleges (LACs).

Responding to the thread question to list one's top 50 National Universities and Liberal Arts Colleges (LACs), but excluding the service academies (I would rank all three main service academies--USNA, USMA, & USAFA--among the first group of schools along with several other specialty schools such as USCGA, Juilliard, Curtis Institute of Music, Webb Institute of Naval Architecture, maritime academies, RISD, Cooper Union, Olin, Rose Hulman, & Berea College) :

Group One: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, CalTech, & UPenn's Wharton School of Business.

Group Two: Northwestern, Chicago, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon, Rice, Columbia, Penn, Brown, WashUStL, & Georgetown's School of Foreign Service.

Group Three: Cornell, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Williams College, Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna College, Pomona College, Swarthmore College & Amherst College.

Group Four: UC-Berkeley & UCLA & UC-San Diego, Georgia Tech & Michigan (all great schools, but large class sizes & poor student: teacher ratios).

Group Five: Virginia, William & Mary, Wellesley College, Notre Dame, Emory, Barnard College, USC, & Georgetown.

Group Six: NYU, UNC, Wake Forest, Davidson College, Bowdoin College, Carleton College, Middlebury College, Boston College, Hamilton College, Cal Poly & Tufts.

This is so bad. WashUStL in group 2? CMU is only in group 2 for CS, not overall. If you're going to include Chicago, Hopkins, and Rice in group 2, you have to put Dartmouth. UCSD above USC, Notre Dame, and Georgetown? I could go on-and-on about the problems with this.

Don't bother as you obviously do not know schools well.

I think you're the one who's mistaken. Can you provide any reasoning how WashU is in a higher group than Dartmouth? Or how UCSD is in a higher group than Notre Dame? Notre Dame has the 6th largest endowment in the country, they have more financial resources than most ivy league schools and certainly more than UCSD which is much larger.

Not mistaken,just more experienced. However, I do agree that ranking by size of endowment should be an important component of any reasonable overall aggregate rating of colleges and universities.

Feel free to post your list of top 50 colleges and universities. I am interested as I understand that you have a different opinion--and that is fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it difficult to include any SLAC among the top 20 to 25 colleges and universities for a variety of reasons including the option of honors colleges at large state public universities which, arguably, provide the best of both worlds. I think that US News is correct in separating rankings for National Universities & Liberal Arts Colleges (LACs).

Responding to the thread question to list one's top 50 National Universities and Liberal Arts Colleges (LACs), but excluding the service academies (I would rank all three main service academies--USNA, USMA, & USAFA--among the first group of schools along with several other specialty schools such as USCGA, Juilliard, Curtis Institute of Music, Webb Institute of Naval Architecture, maritime academies, RISD, Cooper Union, Olin, Rose Hulman, & Berea College) :

Group One: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, CalTech, & UPenn's Wharton School of Business.

Group Two: Northwestern, Chicago, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon, Rice, Columbia, Penn, Brown, WashUStL, & Georgetown's School of Foreign Service.

Group Three: Cornell, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Williams College, Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna College, Pomona College, Swarthmore College & Amherst College.

Group Four: UC-Berkeley & UCLA & UC-San Diego, Georgia Tech & Michigan (all great schools, but large class sizes & poor student: teacher ratios).

Group Five: Virginia, William & Mary, Wellesley College, Notre Dame, Emory, Barnard College, USC, & Georgetown.

Group Six: NYU, UNC, Wake Forest, Davidson College, Bowdoin College, Carleton College, Middlebury College, Boston College, Hamilton College, Cal Poly & Tufts.

This is so bad. WashUStL in group 2? CMU is only in group 2 for CS, not overall. If you're going to include Chicago, Hopkins, and Rice in group 2, you have to put Dartmouth. UCSD above USC, Notre Dame, and Georgetown? I could go on-and-on about the problems with this.

Don't bother as you obviously do not know schools well.

I think you're the one who's mistaken. Can you provide any reasoning how WashU is in a higher group than Dartmouth? Or how UCSD is in a higher group than Notre Dame? Notre Dame has the 6th largest endowment in the country, they have more financial resources than most ivy league schools and certainly more than UCSD which is much larger.

Not mistaken,just more experienced. However, I do agree that ranking by size of endowment should be an important component of any reasonable overall aggregate rating of colleges and universities.

Feel free to post your list of top 50 colleges and universities. I am interested as I understand that you have a different opinion--and that is fine.

Why? Who benefits? What if you are rating undergraduate programs and very little of the endowment actually benefits the undergraduate program?

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What are you people rating? The best undergraduate schools? The best all around universities? This question always seems muddied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are you people rating? The best undergraduate schools? The best all around universities? This question always seems muddied.

Best undergraduate education? Most prestigious undergraduate? Best all around university (research, graduate, undergraduate)? Most prestigious overall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it difficult to include any SLAC among the top 20 to 25 colleges and universities for a variety of reasons including the option of honors colleges at large state public universities which, arguably, provide the best of both worlds. I think that US News is correct in separating rankings for National Universities & Liberal Arts Colleges (LACs).

Responding to the thread question to list one's top 50 National Universities and Liberal Arts Colleges (LACs), but excluding the service academies (I would rank all three main service academies--USNA, USMA, & USAFA--among the first group of schools along with several other specialty schools such as USCGA, Juilliard, Curtis Institute of Music, Webb Institute of Naval Architecture, maritime academies, RISD, Cooper Union, Olin, Rose Hulman, & Berea College) :

Group One: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, CalTech, & UPenn's Wharton School of Business.

Group Two: Northwestern, Chicago, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon, Rice, Columbia, Penn, Brown, WashUStL, & Georgetown's School of Foreign Service.

Group Three: Cornell, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Williams College, Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna College, Pomona College, Swarthmore College & Amherst College.

Group Four: UC-Berkeley & UCLA & UC-San Diego, Georgia Tech & Michigan (all great schools, but large class sizes & poor student: teacher ratios).

Group Five: Virginia, William & Mary, Wellesley College, Notre Dame, Emory, Barnard College, USC, & Georgetown.

Group Six: NYU, UNC, Wake Forest, Davidson College, Bowdoin College, Carleton College, Middlebury College, Boston College, Hamilton College, Cal Poly & Tufts.

This is so bad. WashUStL in group 2? CMU is only in group 2 for CS, not overall. If you're going to include Chicago, Hopkins, and Rice in group 2, you have to put Dartmouth. UCSD above USC, Notre Dame, and Georgetown? I could go on-and-on about the problems with this.

Don't bother as you obviously do not know schools well.

I think you're the one who's mistaken. Can you provide any reasoning how WashU is in a higher group than Dartmouth? Or how UCSD is in a higher group than Notre Dame? Notre Dame has the 6th largest endowment in the country, they have more financial resources than most ivy league schools and certainly more than UCSD which is much larger.

Not mistaken,just more experienced. However, I do agree that ranking by size of endowment should be an important component of any reasonable overall aggregate rating of colleges and universities.

Feel free to post your list of top 50 colleges and universities. I am interested as I understand that you have a different opinion--and that is fine.

Yes my opinion is different but still with many similarities. If I were to use your grouping system, I'd say:

Group 1a: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton, Caltech, Wharton/dual degree programs, Brown PLME, Duke scholars programs, UVA Jefferson, UNC Morehead Cain
Group 1b: Yale (lack of STEM relevance makes me believe they've fallen off, but of course their financial resources are top notch), Duke, Columbia, Penn, CMU CS, Georgetown SFS, Berkeley dual degree programs, Vanderbilt scholars programs
Group 2a: Northwestern, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, UChicago, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Rice, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
Group 2b: Georgetown, Notre Dame, WashU, UCLA, UC Berkeley, UMich, CMU, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna
etc. etc.