Formula shortage?

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Anonymous wrote:My son projectile vomited the formula they sent home from the hospital with him, I think it was Enfamil. I put him on the Dr. Spock advised carnation milk and karo syrup concoction and he did great. My second kid too.

They are now all grown up and are quite healthy and have superior IQs.

I saw on the news yesterday that whatever you do you should not improvise making your own formula for your baby. WTF? A whole generation of babies had the Dr. Spock version.

I think that message is to counteract all the morons sharing the recipe that calls for raw milk.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual, the government is the problem. Stop banning eu formula.

Serious question. If they lift the ban in EU formula, are the EU companies really going to have the supplies to ship here? How are they in any better state from a manufacturing perspective than we are? Our shortage isn’t just because of the Abbott’s Lab closure.

My understanding is there is less of a monopoly in Europe and their distribution is more nimble. I may be wrong though. My worry is, if European formula is imported in the US will they be able to produce more to meet demand, or will it cause a shortage of formula in Europe. I guess the two issues are related. Also why does the media keep bringing up importing European formula as a solution? What about Canadian formula?

Yes, agree. The EU and Canada are not going to be long-term viable solutions without impacting their own supply chain.

I work in logistics of processed products and even if FDA decided to allow importation of EU formula, there needs to be an entire supply chain of shippers, brokers, etc created that right now does not exist. Not to mention the desire of EU formula makers to ship to the US. I’m not so sure the desire is there because they could have easily now, for years, created a label that’s US-compliant but they clearly don’t see the long-term value in our market. It’s all absurd and the federal government should’ve been handling this for months but there is simply no “quick” solution.

Agree. This is one of the reasons that makes the statement from the Feds that releasing the EU ban as one of their solution so stupid. That and we should contact Pediatricians for supplies. I don’t know any Pediatrician that has had formula samples for weeks now. The response from the Feds is so out of touch.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.walgreens.com/store/c/enfamil-neuropro-gentlease-infant-formula-powder-refill-box/ID=prod6374499-product?ext=gooBaby+-+SSCBaby___local&gclsrc=aw.ds&gbraid=0AAAAAD7MwhR6ajv5jkKXcDpzHdewgGMYe&gclid=Cj0KCQjwg_iTBhDrARIsAD3Ib5j6-B0DMIYk1YP5mxuq6IiCLrFUnI7yvD5xsY3CEJ7Ril_SLSwOjKAaAjsSEALw_wcB

Click “pick up”, enter your zip code, choose the store you want to go pick up, then enter the amount you want/they have available, check out, then you can go to store to pick up.

This company may have some in stock. It's relatively new, supposed to be more like breast milk and without contaminants. I have zero affiliation!!

https://byheart.com/

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Anonymous wrote:As usual, the government is the problem. Stop banning eu formula.

Serious question. If they lift the ban in EU formula, are the EU companies really going to have the supplies to ship here? How are they in any better state from a manufacturing perspective than we are? Our shortage isn’t just because of the Abbott’s Lab closure.

My understanding is there is less of a monopoly in Europe and their distribution is more nimble. I may be wrong though. My worry is, if European formula is imported in the US will they be able to produce more to meet demand, or will it cause a shortage of formula in Europe. I guess the two issues are related. Also why does the media keep bringing up importing European formula as a solution? What about Canadian formula?

Yes, agree. The EU and Canada are not going to be long-term viable solutions without impacting their own supply chain.

I work in logistics of processed products and even if FDA decided to allow importation of EU formula, there needs to be an entire supply chain of shippers, brokers, etc created that right now does not exist. Not to mention the desire of EU formula makers to ship to the US. I’m not so sure the desire is there because they could have easily now, for years, created a label that’s US-compliant but they clearly don’t see the long-term value in our market. It’s all absurd and the federal government should’ve been handling this for months but there is simply no “quick” solution.

Agree. This is one of the reasons that makes the statement from the Feds that releasing the EU ban as one of their solution so stupid. That and we should contact Pediatricians for supplies. I don’t know any Pediatrician that has had formula samples for weeks now. The response from the Feds is so out of touch.

Right? Do they really think pediatricians have some endless supply of formula in a back room somewhere? I imagine many pediatrician offices are sick of answering calls asking for formula.

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Anonymous wrote:Buying formula on Amazon always makes me a little nervous. Do others buy on there?

I had Enfamil on Subscribe and Save when my DC was still on formula. Never had any problems.

You…you know we’re talking about now, during a huge shortage, right?

This poster was responding to the question of whether the formula on Amazon was legit - I don’t believe they were trying to speak to the access isssue but just that they always used it and it was legit. Confusing yes but not their intent

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Anonymous wrote:Buying formula on Amazon always makes me a little nervous. Do others buy on there?

I had Enfamil on Subscribe and Save when my DC was still on formula. Never had any problems.

You…you know we’re talking about now, during a huge shortage, right?

This poster was responding to the question of whether the formula on Amazon was legit - I don’t believe they were trying to speak to the access isssue but just that they always used it and it was legit. Confusing yes but not their intent

That's exactly right. I answered a very specific question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son projectile vomited the formula they sent home from the hospital with him, I think it was Enfamil. I put him on the Dr. Spock advised carnation milk and karo syrup concoction and he did great. My second kid too.

They are now all grown up and are quite healthy and have superior IQs.

I saw on the news yesterday that whatever you do you should not improvise making your own formula for your baby. WTF? A whole generation of babies had the Dr. Spock version.

Thanks granny

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Anonymous wrote:My son projectile vomited the formula they sent home from the hospital with him, I think it was Enfamil. I put him on the Dr. Spock advised carnation milk and karo syrup concoction and he did great. My second kid too.

They are now all grown up and are quite healthy and have superior IQs.

I saw on the news yesterday that whatever you do you should not improvise making your own formula for your baby. WTF? A whole generation of babies had the Dr. Spock version.

Thanks granny

Guess you don't want to hear anything useful. Ypu do know that formula wasn't always available, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As usual, the government is the problem. Stop banning eu formula.

Serious question. If they lift the ban in EU formula, are the EU companies really going to have the supplies to ship here? How are they in any better state from a manufacturing perspective than we are? Our shortage isn’t just because of the Abbott’s Lab closure.

My understanding is there is less of a monopoly in Europe and their distribution is more nimble. I may be wrong though. My worry is, if European formula is imported in the US will they be able to produce more to meet demand, or will it cause a shortage of formula in Europe. I guess the two issues are related. Also why does the media keep bringing up importing European formula as a solution? What about Canadian formula?

Yes, agree. The EU and Canada are not going to be long-term viable solutions without impacting their own supply chain.

I work in logistics of processed products and even if FDA decided to allow importation of EU formula, there needs to be an entire supply chain of shippers, brokers, etc created that right now does not exist. Not to mention the desire of EU formula makers to ship to the US. I’m not so sure the desire is there because they could have easily now, for years, created a label that’s US-compliant but they clearly don’t see the long-term value in our market. It’s all absurd and the federal government should’ve been handling this for months but there is simply no “quick” solution.

Agree. This is one of the reasons that makes the statement from the Feds that releasing the EU ban as one of their solution so stupid. That and we should contact Pediatricians for supplies. I don’t know any Pediatrician that has had formula samples for weeks now. The response from the Feds is so out of touch.

I’m sorry to say, anyone who paid attention to the federal govt’s (Trump and Biden) woeful covid response should not expect any solutions from the Feds. That they made the Abbot plant close with no contingency plans is just insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son projectile vomited the formula they sent home from the hospital with him, I think it was Enfamil. I put him on the Dr. Spock advised carnation milk and karo syrup concoction and he did great. My second kid too.

They are now all grown up and are quite healthy and have superior IQs.

I saw on the news yesterday that whatever you do you should not improvise making your own formula for your baby. WTF? A whole generation of babies had the Dr. Spock version.

Infant feeding public health advice in the US has for a long time been driven by paternalistic propaganda, driven by two false beliefs: 1) aggregate gains on the population wide public health level matter more than individuals, for whom the advice makes little difference; 2) individuals cannot be trusted to make their own good decisions and therefore information has to be kept from them - all they get is the approved “messaging.” Anyone who has dug into the breastfeeding issue knows this.

In a reasonable world, parents would be able to get information about how to make safe formula at home, and how to safely transition to cow’s milk.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual, the government is the problem. Stop banning eu formula.

Serious question. If they lift the ban in EU formula, are the EU companies really going to have the supplies to ship here? How are they in any better state from a manufacturing perspective than we are? Our shortage isn’t just because of the Abbott’s Lab closure.

My understanding is there is less of a monopoly in Europe and their distribution is more nimble. I may be wrong though. My worry is, if European formula is imported in the US will they be able to produce more to meet demand, or will it cause a shortage of formula in Europe. I guess the two issues are related. Also why does the media keep bringing up importing European formula as a solution? What about Canadian formula?

Yes, agree. The EU and Canada are not going to be long-term viable solutions without impacting their own supply chain.

I work in logistics of processed products and even if FDA decided to allow importation of EU formula, there needs to be an entire supply chain of shippers, brokers, etc created that right now does not exist. Not to mention the desire of EU formula makers to ship to the US. I’m not so sure the desire is there because they could have easily now, for years, created a label that’s US-compliant but they clearly don’t see the long-term value in our market. It’s all absurd and the federal government should’ve been handling this for months but there is simply no “quick” solution.

Agree. This is one of the reasons that makes the statement from the Feds that releasing the EU ban as one of their solution so stupid. That and we should contact Pediatricians for supplies. I don’t know any Pediatrician that has had formula samples for weeks now. The response from the Feds is so out of touch.

Right? Do they really think pediatricians have some endless supply of formula in a back room somewhere? I imagine many pediatrician offices are sick of answering calls asking for formula.

Called our pediatricians office to ask if they have Enfamil Gentlease. They told me I’m really lucky. They only have 5 cans left and one is Enfamil Gentlease. By the time I got to the office to pick up the formula, the nurse who gave it to me said that this is their last can of formula. Also re Jen Psaki - lots of families don’t have access to a pediatrician. Someone in a Facebook group dismissed this point and said that they can take out a phone book and call any pediatrician in the area. Well when I called about the formula, first thing receptionist did was ask if my daughter is a patient with their practice. So it’s not like ppl can call any pediatrician’s office.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As usual, the government is the problem. Stop banning eu formula.

Serious question. If they lift the ban in EU formula, are the EU companies really going to have the supplies to ship here? How are they in any better state from a manufacturing perspective than we are? Our shortage isn’t just because of the Abbott’s Lab closure.

My understanding is there is less of a monopoly in Europe and their distribution is more nimble. I may be wrong though. My worry is, if European formula is imported in the US will they be able to produce more to meet demand, or will it cause a shortage of formula in Europe. I guess the two issues are related. Also why does the media keep bringing up importing European formula as a solution? What about Canadian formula?

Yes, agree. The EU and Canada are not going to be long-term viable solutions without impacting their own supply chain.

I work in logistics of processed products and even if FDA decided to allow importation of EU formula, there needs to be an entire supply chain of shippers, brokers, etc created that right now does not exist. Not to mention the desire of EU formula makers to ship to the US. I’m not so sure the desire is there because they could have easily now, for years, created a label that’s US-compliant but they clearly don’t see the long-term value in our market. It’s all absurd and the federal government should’ve been handling this for months but there is simply no “quick” solution.

Agree. This is one of the reasons that makes the statement from the Feds that releasing the EU ban as one of their solution so stupid. That and we should contact Pediatricians for supplies. I don’t know any Pediatrician that has had formula samples for weeks now. The response from the Feds is so out of touch.

I’m sorry to say, anyone who paid attention to the federal govt’s (Trump and Biden) woeful covid response should not expect any solutions from the Feds. That they made the Abbot plant close with no contingency plans is just insane.

Agree OP. Wanted to add that apparently a whistleblower from Abbott called up a house representative’s office in October or November I think saying that Abbott hasn’t replaced their old equipment. Representative asked FDA to investigate. Plant wasn’t shut down until February after the 4 or 5 babies got sick. Will try to find an article

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My son projectile vomited the formula they sent home from the hospital with him, I think it was Enfamil. I put him on the Dr. Spock advised carnation milk and karo syrup concoction and he did great. My second kid too.

They are now all grown up and are quite healthy and have superior IQs.

I saw on the news yesterday that whatever you do you should not improvise making your own formula for your baby. WTF? A whole generation of babies had the Dr. Spock version.

Thanks granny

Guess you don't want to hear anything useful. Ypu do know that formula wasn't always available, right?

This is outdated information and if you read the news they are urging people not to do homemade.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual, the government is the problem. Stop banning eu formula.

Serious question. If they lift the ban in EU formula, are the EU companies really going to have the supplies to ship here? How are they in any better state from a manufacturing perspective than we are? Our shortage isn’t just because of the Abbott’s Lab closure.

My understanding is there is less of a monopoly in Europe and their distribution is more nimble. I may be wrong though. My worry is, if European formula is imported in the US will they be able to produce more to meet demand, or will it cause a shortage of formula in Europe. I guess the two issues are related. Also why does the media keep bringing up importing European formula as a solution? What about Canadian formula?

Yes, agree. The EU and Canada are not going to be long-term viable solutions without impacting their own supply chain.

I work in logistics of processed products and even if FDA decided to allow importation of EU formula, there needs to be an entire supply chain of shippers, brokers, etc created that right now does not exist. Not to mention the desire of EU formula makers to ship to the US. I’m not so sure the desire is there because they could have easily now, for years, created a label that’s US-compliant but they clearly don’t see the long-term value in our market. It’s all absurd and the federal government should’ve been handling this for months but there is simply no “quick” solution.

Agree. This is one of the reasons that makes the statement from the Feds that releasing the EU ban as one of their solution so stupid. That and we should contact Pediatricians for supplies. I don’t know any Pediatrician that has had formula samples for weeks now. The response from the Feds is so out of touch.

Right? Do they really think pediatricians have some endless supply of formula in a back room somewhere? I imagine many pediatrician offices are sick of answering calls asking for formula.

Called our pediatricians office to ask if they have Enfamil Gentlease. They told me I’m really lucky. They only have 5 cans left and one is Enfamil Gentlease. By the time I got to the office to pick up the formula, the nurse who gave it to me said that this is their last can of formula. Also re Jen Psaki - lots of families don’t have access to a pediatrician. Someone in a Facebook group dismissed this point and said that they can take out a phone book and call any pediatrician in the area. Well when I called about the formula, first thing receptionist did was ask if my daughter is a patient with their practice. So it’s not like ppl can call any pediatrician’s office.

We have tricare. Doctors cannot give out sample milk (or medications) to us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As usual, the government is the problem. Stop banning eu formula.

Serious question. If they lift the ban in EU formula, are the EU companies really going to have the supplies to ship here? How are they in any better state from a manufacturing perspective than we are? Our shortage isn’t just because of the Abbott’s Lab closure.

My understanding is there is less of a monopoly in Europe and their distribution is more nimble. I may be wrong though. My worry is, if European formula is imported in the US will they be able to produce more to meet demand, or will it cause a shortage of formula in Europe. I guess the two issues are related. Also why does the media keep bringing up importing European formula as a solution? What about Canadian formula?

Yes, agree. The EU and Canada are not going to be long-term viable solutions without impacting their own supply chain.

I work in logistics of processed products and even if FDA decided to allow importation of EU formula, there needs to be an entire supply chain of shippers, brokers, etc created that right now does not exist. Not to mention the desire of EU formula makers to ship to the US. I’m not so sure the desire is there because they could have easily now, for years, created a label that’s US-compliant but they clearly don’t see the long-term value in our market. It’s all absurd and the federal government should’ve been handling this for months but there is simply no “quick” solution.

Agree. This is one of the reasons that makes the statement from the Feds that releasing the EU ban as one of their solution so stupid. That and we should contact Pediatricians for supplies. I don’t know any Pediatrician that has had formula samples for weeks now. The response from the Feds is so out of touch.

I’m sorry to say, anyone who paid attention to the federal govt’s (Trump and Biden) woeful covid response should not expect any solutions from the Feds. That they made the Abbot plant close with no contingency plans is just insane.

Agree OP. Wanted to add that apparently a whistleblower from Abbott called up a house representative’s office in October or November I think saying that Abbott hasn’t replaced their old equipment. Representative asked FDA to investigate. Plant wasn’t shut down until February after the 4 or 5 babies got sick. Will try to find an article

Sorry meant to say “Agree PP.” Here is an article: https://theintercept.com/2022/05/13/baby-formula-shortage-abbott-bacteria-safety-testing-lobbying/