Average American woman - new study

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Anonymous wrote:Compare the Sidwell lunch menu to your local public and you have your answer. Add in food deserts, too.

I work in a Title 1 school and see what they serve the kids for free breakfast, lunch, and snack. All microwaved processed foods like hot dogs, cheesy pretzels, chocolate milk, nachos with cheese dip, etc.

This is what they offer to ALL kids at ALL public schools now.

Agree. My 6 year old loves all this junk they are serving to her at public kindergarten. So sad. No real kitchen, no real cooks. These kids have no chance to eat healthy anywhere really.

I am 51, and went to public school out west. From what I recall, school lunch was gross then, too. Did you all go to private school or something? School lunches in US public schools have been bad for eons.

Other countries definitely do it better, but they also pay their teachers better, too.

But instead of making school lunches healthier, they made them more palatable.
No more turkey and gravy. But yes to pizza, nuggets, corn dogs, cheesy breadsticks and the like. Most kids love it. Now add breakfast. Packaged sugary muffins and cinnamon rolls, candy filled cereal bars, graham crackers, lots of chocolate milk..oh…and it is also free now and all
Kids are given it. Even if parents try to feed their kids good food at home or send them with nutritious food- school will give them a bunch of free tasty junk food anyway

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it make you sad? Unpack that.

Huh? I’m not OP but anytime I see someone who’s health is destroyed it’s sad.

I am roughly 80 pounds overweight. You’d probably be sad if you looked at me, I guess.

I hiked 9 miles today. I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I eat a healthy and varied diet. My blood pressure is on the low side of normal. My fasting blood sugar and A1C has never been close to even pre-diabetic. I am insulin resistant which is why it’s very hard for me to lose weight and why I’ve always been overweight.

You can’t tell how healthy someone is by looking at them.

But it is NOT healthy to be 80 lbs overweight and insulin resistant. Joint problems, chronic inflammation and continued accumulation of weight are just some of the issues that you are likely experiencing or will in near future.

I was you one year ago. 40lbs down 40 to go. Keto and intermittent fasting will be fantastic for you, very good for insulin resistance issues. Of course, I respect that each situation is different, but strongly recommend you consider those.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it make you sad? Unpack that.

Huh? I’m not OP but anytime I see someone who’s health is destroyed it’s sad.

I am roughly 80 pounds overweight. You’d probably be sad if you looked at me, I guess.

I hiked 9 miles today. I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I eat a healthy and varied diet. My blood pressure is on the low side of normal. My fasting blood sugar and A1C has never been close to even pre-diabetic. I am insulin resistant which is why it’s very hard for me to lose weight and why I’ve always been overweight.

You can’t tell how healthy someone is by looking at them.

Well, you're insulin resistant and 80 lbs overweight so I'm not sure this anecdote is proving what you think it does. You may not have major issues now, but this is not the health path people dream of either.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who is significantly overweight will have spend the rest of their life fighting their body to retain their set point weight. Like, significant mental energy dedicated to it every single day. Most people simply aren’t capable of it. Without bariatric surgery or lifelong medication to treat it is statistically nearly impossible. The new GLP-1 drugs (semaglutide) are quite promising but they will need to be taken forever.

For those who are obese and overweight already the focus for individuals needs to be on improving health and mobility regardless of body habitus with diet and exercise, and treating obesity with surgery and/or medication.

We need to figure out on a population level what is making us obese. The truth is we just don’t know.

Its not a mystery, racism and poverty wages are making Americans obese. You know, because we are constantly stressed out and working. And for much of the population, cooking at home from whole foods is out of reach. My family is southern and most of the adults are obese. My brother and I are not, and my kids are not. We live in the city, the public charter school lunch is cooked on site, and we try to walk and be active. Hoping to break the cycle.

It isn’t a mystery you are right. But it is laziness, not poverty. People, all people of every income, are programmed to want to do the least work possible. Cheap and very easy and attainable food is in abundance here. It is tasty too. So of course, time and time again, that will be picked over heathy options that take time to prepare and maybe are boring and not as “tasty” as the things filled with fat, sugar, and salt. But they certainly are available to all. Oats, lentils, beans, rice, canned/frozen/seasonal produce, eggs, milk, is readily available to all people at all income levels. But it takes more time and if working with limited ingredients, may not be as appealing to all- but to say people can’t eat heathy bc they don’t have access to any heathy food just isn’t true

I'd say it's a lack of discipline more than laziness. I know what to eat and not eat for weight loss and general health. I'm lucky to have access to any food imaginable. I stock my fridge and pantry with healthy foods and avoid keeping junk at home. I can cook. I even have time! I just want a burger and fries more than I want a grilled chicken salad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it make you sad? Unpack that.

Huh? I’m not OP but anytime I see someone who’s health is destroyed it’s sad.

I am roughly 80 pounds overweight. You’d probably be sad if you looked at me, I guess.

I hiked 9 miles today. I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I eat a healthy and varied diet. My blood pressure is on the low side of normal. My fasting blood sugar and A1C has never been close to even pre-diabetic. I am insulin resistant which is why it’s very hard for me to lose weight and why I’ve always been overweight.

You can’t tell how healthy someone is by looking at them.

I love how the responses to this are to tell you that you aren’t healthy and that you should diet. There is no known long term health benefit to losing weight, even for people who keep it off. However, many of the diets out there (Keto in particular), are known to increase your risk of heart attack and death. The extra weight leads to stronger muscles and bones too, which is part of the reason they think overweight and mildly obese people live longer.

You sound very fit and healthy. Don’t be fooled by pop culture and the diet industry. Keep taking care of your body!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does it make you sad? Unpack that.

Huh? I’m not OP but anytime I see someone who’s health is destroyed it’s sad.

I am roughly 80 pounds overweight. You’d probably be sad if you looked at me, I guess.

I hiked 9 miles today. I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I eat a healthy and varied diet. My blood pressure is on the low side of normal. My fasting blood sugar and A1C has never been close to even pre-diabetic. I am insulin resistant which is why it’s very hard for me to lose weight and why I’ve always been overweight.

You can’t tell how healthy someone is by looking at them.

+1 I have been blessed with a gang-busting metabolism and I can eat a ton of calories without gaining an ounce; however, if most people ate the amount of calories I eat, they wouldn't be able to walk they would be so big. I don't do anything. My major exercise is walking the dogs lol. It's just my metabolism and I have no control over the genetics behind it. I am positive that I am not as healthy as you are PP, yet I get complimented all of the time for being so trim.
The fat shaming has gotten way out of control.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does it make you sad? Unpack that.

Huh? I’m not OP but anytime I see someone who’s health is destroyed it’s sad.

I am roughly 80 pounds overweight. You’d probably be sad if you looked at me, I guess.

I hiked 9 miles today. I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I eat a healthy and varied diet. My blood pressure is on the low side of normal. My fasting blood sugar and A1C has never been close to even pre-diabetic. I am insulin resistant which is why it’s very hard for me to lose weight and why I’ve always been overweight.

You can’t tell how healthy someone is by looking at them.

I love how the responses to this are to tell you that you aren’t healthy and that you should diet. There is no known long term health benefit to losing weight, even for people who keep it off. However, many of the diets out there (Keto in particular), are known to increase your risk of heart attack and death. The extra weight leads to stronger muscles and bones too, which is part of the reason they think overweight and mildly obese people live longer.

You sound very fit and healthy. Don’t be fooled by pop culture and the diet industry. Keep taking care of your body!

I'm curious about this. The assertion that there are no known long term health benefit to losing weight.

I lost 20 lbs, not a huge amount but enough to reduce my A1C and increase my insulin sensitivity. I looked at the CDC website for the health impacts of overweight/obesity. In the list, it includes osteoarthritis, which is the breaking down of cartilage and bone, and cancers, and stroke and gall bladder disease, etc.

Carrying a little extra weight as you get older isn't a terrible thing and, as you mentioned, might be associated with some longevity when elderly. That makes sense. But, not obesity, which one would be if one was 80 lbs overweight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does it make you sad? Unpack that.

Huh? I’m not OP but anytime I see someone who’s health is destroyed it’s sad.

I am roughly 80 pounds overweight. You’d probably be sad if you looked at me, I guess.

I hiked 9 miles today. I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I eat a healthy and varied diet. My blood pressure is on the low side of normal. My fasting blood sugar and A1C has never been close to even pre-diabetic. I am insulin resistant which is why it’s very hard for me to lose weight and why I’ve always been overweight.

You can’t tell how healthy someone is by looking at them.

I love how the responses to this are to tell you that you aren’t healthy and that you should diet. There is no known long term health benefit to losing weight, even for people who keep it off. However, many of the diets out there (Keto in particular), are known to increase your risk of heart attack and death. The extra weight leads to stronger muscles and bones too, which is part of the reason they think overweight and mildly obese people live longer.

You sound very fit and healthy. Don’t be fooled by pop culture and the diet industry. Keep taking care of your body!

Belly fat is correlated with just about every bad health outcome that you can imagine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does it make you sad? Unpack that.

Huh? I’m not OP but anytime I see someone who’s health is destroyed it’s sad.

I am roughly 80 pounds overweight. You’d probably be sad if you looked at me, I guess.

I hiked 9 miles today. I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I eat a healthy and varied diet. My blood pressure is on the low side of normal. My fasting blood sugar and A1C has never been close to even pre-diabetic. I am insulin resistant which is why it’s very hard for me to lose weight and why I’ve always been overweight.

You can’t tell how healthy someone is by looking at them.

I love how the responses to this are to tell you that you aren’t healthy and that you should diet. There is no known long term health benefit to losing weight, even for people who keep it off. However, many of the diets out there (Keto in particular), are known to increase your risk of heart attack and death. The extra weight leads to stronger muscles and bones too, which is part of the reason they think overweight and mildly obese people live longer.

You sound very fit and healthy. Don’t be fooled by pop culture and the diet industry. Keep taking care of your body!

Is this a joke?

I am one of the PPs who is objectively overweight, and I am all for body positivity and against fat shaming, BUT one has to be honest with oneself. 80lbs overweight is not healthy, and such person would generally benefit from losing extra weight.

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People have different set body weights. Some people are very thin and some are thicker. But c’mon, you cannot excuse away the new average of a size 16-18 to be anything but poor impulse control when it comes food, laziness, perhaps combined with poor nutrition knowledge in some cases. This IS sad and should concern every single person

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does it make you sad? Unpack that.

Huh? I’m not OP but anytime I see someone who’s health is destroyed it’s sad.

I am roughly 80 pounds overweight. You’d probably be sad if you looked at me, I guess.

I hiked 9 miles today. I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I eat a healthy and varied diet. My blood pressure is on the low side of normal. My fasting blood sugar and A1C has never been close to even pre-diabetic. I am insulin resistant which is why it’s very hard for me to lose weight and why I’ve always been overweight.

You can’t tell how healthy someone is by looking at them.

I love how the responses to this are to tell you that you aren’t healthy and that you should diet. There is no known long term health benefit to losing weight, even for people who keep it off. However, many of the diets out there (Keto in particular), are known to increase your risk of heart attack and death. The extra weight leads to stronger muscles and bones too, which is part of the reason they think overweight and mildly obese people live longer.

You sound very fit and healthy. Don’t be fooled by pop culture and the diet industry. Keep taking care of your body!

I'm curious about this. The assertion that there are no known long term health benefit to losing weight.

I lost 20 lbs, not a huge amount but enough to reduce my A1C and increase my insulin sensitivity. I looked at the CDC website for the health impacts of overweight/obesity. In the list, it includes osteoarthritis, which is the breaking down of cartilage and bone, and cancers, and stroke and gall bladder disease, etc.

Carrying a little extra weight as you get older isn't a terrible thing and, as you mentioned, might be associated with some longevity when elderly. That makes sense. But, not obesity, which one would be if one was 80 lbs overweight.

So, there is an increased incidence of some cancers with obesity, but there is no evidence that losing weight will reduce your risk for these cancers. It’s just as likely, if not more likely, that there is an underlying genetic reason for both of these things, and a fat person losing weight to become a thin person doesn’t decrease their genetic risk for some cancers any more than an Ashkenazi Jew converting to Catholicism decreases their risk of passing on Tay Sachs. We don’t know. There is no evidence either way.

There was one long term study on long term weight loss in type 2 diabetic patients. The people who lost weight did see a change in their blood pressure and a decrease in the number of meds they needed to be on. However, there was not a decreased incidence of heart attacks, stroke, or death from any cause. They stopped the study early (after 9 years) due to null results. Interestingly, there were 1/2 the events expected from looking at the general clinic population, so it does look like being compliant with medication and following up with your doctor regularly is helpful.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1212914

And you don’t know what this person means by 80 lbs overweight. But if she is 5’8” and weighs 230 lbs, she would be considered 80lbs overweight, but “type 1 obese.”

I really can’t say that I know anything for sure, but I have been doing some research lately, and it’s kind of shocking how little there really is out there on the long term impact of weight loss considering how much we make of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:McDonald's no longer has a $1 menu.

McDonald's no longer sells salads.

And people will still gladly spend more money on this garbage. You can get a 42oz container or oats for 2.79, 30 servings.

That breaks down to 9 cents per serving. But people will would rather pay $5 for a sausage eggs and cheese biscuits at the driv thru, whether they are short on money or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does it make you sad? Unpack that.

Huh? I’m not OP but anytime I see someone who’s health is destroyed it’s sad.

I am roughly 80 pounds overweight. You’d probably be sad if you looked at me, I guess.

I hiked 9 miles today. I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I eat a healthy and varied diet. My blood pressure is on the low side of normal. My fasting blood sugar and A1C has never been close to even pre-diabetic. I am insulin resistant which is why it’s very hard for me to lose weight and why I’ve always been overweight.

You can’t tell how healthy someone is by looking at them.

I love how the responses to this are to tell you that you aren’t healthy and that you should diet. There is no known long term health benefit to losing weight, even for people who keep it off. However, many of the diets out there (Keto in particular), are known to increase your risk of heart attack and death. The extra weight leads to stronger muscles and bones too, which is part of the reason they think overweight and mildly obese people live longer.

You sound very fit and healthy. Don’t be fooled by pop culture and the diet industry. Keep taking care of your body!

Is this a joke?

I am one of the PPs who is objectively overweight, and I am all for body positivity and against fat shaming, BUT one has to be honest with oneself. 80lbs overweight is not healthy, and such person would generally benefit from losing extra weight.

Prove it. Prove that an active and healthy person with a good diet would benefit from a 50lb weight loss.

I am very willing to believe it, but I can’t find any proof at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:McDonald's no longer has a $1 menu.

McDonald's no longer sells salads.

And people will still gladly spend more money on this garbage. You can get a 42oz container or oats for 2.79, 30 servings.

That breaks down to 9 cents per serving. But people will would rather pay $5 for a sausage eggs and cheese biscuits at the driv thru, whether they are short on money or not.

Because it tastes good and gives people a moment of happiness in their miserable lives.
I find it so much easier to live a healthy lifestyle when I'm happier. When things are tough, I eat garbage and waste my money. If people weren't so broke and depressed, it would be easier to make better decisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:McDonald's no longer has a $1 menu.

McDonald's no longer sells salads.

And people will still gladly spend more money on this garbage. You can get a 42oz container or oats for 2.79, 30 servings.

That breaks down to 9 cents per serving. But people will would rather pay $5 for a sausage eggs and cheese biscuits at the driv thru, whether they are short on money or not.

Because it tastes good and gives people a moment of happiness in their miserable lives.
I find it so much easier to live a healthy lifestyle when I'm happier. When things are tough, I eat garbage and waste my money. If people weren't so broke and depressed, it would be easier to make better decisions.

All of those things, plus sleep. Sleep deprivation to me should be at the top of the list as a major cause of obesity.