MIT going test required again

[Anonymous]

Watch this space. The FL and Georgia state schools already required it this year. The message at many STEM/ engineering schools this fall was that they were test optional but would be very happy to see tests. It helps to know that a kid can do the work.. Having been through the ACT with my oldest now, I still don’t think what the fuss is about. These tests are not terribly difficult, I think.

[Anonymous]

*understand*

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Anonymous wrote:See Harvard.

Test optional will be much more prevalent.

Nope. Test optional will begin to disappear.

It was a trend that was never going to catch on for the masses.

Harvard and pretty much the entire California public college system disagrees.

One highly rejective college reverting back to a standardized test. Not exactly earth shattering news.

I believe Princeton has said it is going back to test required for the class of 2024. Let’s see what the next few weeks bring.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:See Harvard.

Test optional will be much more prevalent.

Nope. Test optional will begin to disappear.

It was a trend that was never going to catch on for the masses.

Harvard and pretty much the entire California public college system disagrees.

One highly rejective college reverting back to a standardized test. Not exactly earth shattering news.

CA did away with it because of Prop 209. Getting rid of SAT was one of the ways to increase URM in CA univ.

Harvard uses "holistic" admission to also include more URM, but also gives legacy a boost.

Universities that lean more engineering like Caltech, MIT, CMU, use quantative data points a lot more, like SATs. They also tend not to look at legacy much, if at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The SAT is highly correlated to household income.

The majority of MIT students come from high income households.

Not surprised.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO9NAQFXsAkMWK3?format=jpg&name=large

Well, kind of. It’s actually correlated to parental education which tends to be correlated with SES.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT is highly correlated to household income.

The majority of MIT students come from high income households.

Not surprised.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO9NAQFXsAkMWK3?format=jpg&name=large

Well, kind of. It’s actually correlated to parental education which tends to be correlated with SES.

Well, AP scores, GPA in hard classes (not talking about grade inflation), they all correlate to parental education, too.

Should we do away with GPA and AP classes/exams, too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SAT is highly correlated to household income.

The majority of MIT students come from high income households.

Not surprised.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO9NAQFXsAkMWK3?format=jpg&name=large

Well, kind of. It’s actually correlated to parental education which tends to be correlated with SES.

Well, AP scores, GPA in hard classes (not talking about grade inflation), they all correlate to parental education, too.

Should we do away with GPA and AP classes/exams, too?

How about PSAT? Parent SAT?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SAT is highly correlated to household income.

The majority of MIT students come from high income households.

Not surprised.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO9NAQFXsAkMWK3?format=jpg&name=large

I'll guess other things that are correlated with household income:
- Grades
- Course rigor
- Quality of essays
- Existing high school relationship with a college
- Performance in regional and national competitions
- Extracurriculars
- Athletic performance
- Alumni connections
- High powered recommendations

The only thing I can see not correlated with income is having a story about overcoming hard life circumstances to succeed.

You might as well just add "general intelligence" to the list, no matter how angry it tends to make people on here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, the SAT/ACT is back, but it’s still a lottery to get in. You could fill 1,337 seats in the DMV alone of students with high test scores.

Bam, hit the nail!

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Anonymous wrote:good

The link didn't work for me but this one does:https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/we-are-reinstating-our-sat-act-requirement-for-future-admissions-cycles/Yes, it makes hiring so much easier. We have to thoroughly test applicants ourselves from more racist, cultural fit type colleges in IT as they have just been good at taking nine classes and dropping all but the gut classes. The objective result also helps us find often overlooked, underrepresented candidates from poorer more disadvantaged areas who put the work in individually. A wonderful reprieve after having to deal with an enormous ego and corresponding finger-pointing to deal with the "shock" of how weak they really are in spite of their genitalia/skin/daddy/delusion. MIT using data-driven correlation for more fair entry is awesome!

I can definitely believe that MIT found that requiring the SAT helped better select high school students who will do well at MIT.

But for companies hiring MIT graduates, wouldn't grades and internships and research tell you way more about the applicant than a single test taken in high school? That is, even if the admissions office picked some students who won't do well in college, can't employees tell who didn't do well in college?

By and large, if you major in STEM (and why else would one attend MIT), you will need extremely strong math skills. A 700 on the SAT Math section student is likely to struggle at MIT (not all would, but majority would). What I don't get is why MIT would be a school a student would apply to if they were not exceptionally strong in MATH?

Not all majors are STEM even at MIT.
There are easy majors too for URMs, Legacies, First Gen, atheletes, etc.

MIT famously not consider legacy though, unless I understand incorrectly.

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Not all majors are STEM even at MIT. There are easy majors too for URMs, Legacies, First Gen, atheletes, etc.

WTF? Do you have any data that supports this ridiculous statement? Have you ever been to MIT? Do you know anything about non STEM majors there? Are you aware that Winston Churchill spoke at the school and said science must also be complimented with strong humanities? I hate MF's who don't know what they're talking about.

WTF so you think American Studies, Anthropology, African Studies, Asian Studies, History, Literature, Gender Studies, Political Science, Philosophy, Theater Art etc. majors are as hard as Electrical Engineering, Computer Science, Physics at MIT? GTFOOH

Still…
P1: What did you study at MIT?
p2: History
P1: confused. Why did you go to MIT?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Not all majors are STEM even at MIT. There are easy majors too for URMs, Legacies, First Gen, atheletes, etc.

WTF? Do you have any data that supports this ridiculous statement? Have you ever been to MIT? Do you know anything about non STEM majors there? Are you aware that Winston Churchill spoke at the school and said science must also be complimented with strong humanities? I hate MF's who don't know what they're talking about.

WTF so you think American Studies, Anthropology, African Studies, Asian Studies, History, Literature, Gender Studies, Political Science, Philosophy, Theater Art etc. majors are as hard as Electrical Engineering, Computer Science, Physics at MIT? GTFOOH

Still…
P1: What did you study at MIT?
p2: History
P1: confused. Why did you go to MIT?

P1: What did you study at MIT?
p2: History
P1: (thinking to himself/herself) oh failed engieering/science, and found a exit plan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SAT is highly correlated to household income.

The majority of MIT students come from high income households.

Not surprised.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO9NAQFXsAkMWK3?format=jpg&name=large

Well, kind of. It’s actually correlated to parental education which tends to be correlated with SES.

Well, AP scores, GPA in hard classes (not talking about grade inflation), they all correlate to parental education, too.

Should we do away with GPA and AP classes/exams, too?

PP here; not at all. My feeling is that kids with higher standardized test scores are generally better students. It’s just the commonly repeated statement that HHI leads to kids who test well vs the reality that smart well educated parents have smart kids and also tend to make good money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SAT is highly correlated to household income.

The majority of MIT students come from high income households.

Not surprised.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO9NAQFXsAkMWK3?format=jpg&name=large

Well, kind of. It’s actually correlated to parental education which tends to be correlated with SES.

Not always the case. Parent (NMF) admitted to MIT from a working class family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SAT is highly correlated to household income.

The majority of MIT students come from high income households.

Not surprised.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO9NAQFXsAkMWK3?format=jpg&name=large

Well, kind of. It’s actually correlated to parental education which tends to be correlated with SES.

Not always the case. Parent (NMF) admitted to MIT from a working class family.

correlation doesn't mean 100%