MIT going test required again

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Anonymous wrote:See Harvard.

Test optional will be much more prevalent.

People can slide through Harvard without actually being smart. That's much more difficult at a school like MIT, or alot of other schools. I think more schools will be returning to test required.

How many times does this have to be explained to you: standardized admissions tests do not measure intelligence.

And, you need much more than intelligence to do well in college.

IQ test should be part of the package

+1

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT is highly correlated to household income.

The majority of MIT students come from high income households.

Not surprised.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO9NAQFXsAkMWK3?format=jpg&name=large

Well, kind of. It’s actually correlated to parental education which tends to be correlated with SES.

Not always the case. Parent (NMF) admitted to MIT from a working class family.

correlation doesn't mean 100%

+1. Also noting the irony of poor math in a discussion about MIT reinstating test score requirements.

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Anonymous wrote:See Harvard.

Test optional will be much more prevalent.

Nope. Test optional will begin to disappear.

It was a trend that was never going to catch on for the masses.

Harvard and pretty much the entire California public college system disagrees.

One highly rejective college reverting back to a standardized test. Not exactly earth shattering news.

I believe Princeton has said it is going back to test required for the class of 2024. Let’s see what the next few weeks bring.

I believe the last thing Princeton said is that class of 2027 admission will be test optional.

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT is highly correlated to household income.

The majority of MIT students come from high income households.

Not surprised.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO9NAQFXsAkMWK3?format=jpg&name=large

Well, kind of. It’s actually correlated to parental education which tends to be correlated with SES.

Not always the case. Parent (NMF) admitted to MIT from a working class family.

Exactly, which is why the SAT is so important. A really smart working class kid w/o the SAT wouldn't have a chance to pad the resume with all the things an upper class family could provide.

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT is highly correlated to household income.

The majority of MIT students come from high income households.

Not surprised.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO9NAQFXsAkMWK3?format=jpg&name=large

Well, kind of. It’s actually correlated to parental education which tends to be correlated with SES.

Parental education is part of SES. The two part measure of SES is parental income and parental education.

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Admitted too many dimwits with fake high school grades who can't get past calc. Shocking. Not.

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Anonymous wrote:See Harvard.

Test optional will be much more prevalent.

People can slide through Harvard without actually being smart. That's much more difficult at a school like MIT, or alot of other schools. I think more schools will be returning to test required.

How many times does this have to be explained to you: standardized admissions tests do not measure intelligence.

And, you need much more than intelligence to do well in college.

IQ test should be part of the package

Tell that to my “highly gifted” 20-something cousin who is the laziest human I’ve ever known. He works 20 hours a week at a grocery store and smokes pot in his mom’s basement.

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Ah yes, Charles Murray. A real canon of wisdom right there.

Do you hear yourselves?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Admitted too many dimwits with fake high school grades who can't get past calc. Shocking. Not.

If Eric Rasmusen is on your side that’s a choice you’re making. Do you believe all the other stuff he’s tweeted?

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"MIT's admissions staff knows full well that family income predicts SAT scores twice as strongly as it predicts high school grades. The most effective way to admit a more socioeconomically diverse class is to put more emphasis on high school grades and less on test scores.

The real reason MIT is reinstating the SAT is because it really likes admitting students who score very high on the SAT! Before the pandemic, almost every student MIT admitted had a 780 or above on the math section of the SAT. Those super-high test scores were an important part of MIT's identity, and if MIT were to abandon the SAT for good, it would lose that identity.

So, it's no surprise the school has brought back the test requirement. Standardized tests are a core part of who the school is. Other colleges define themselves differently."


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This

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/09/politics/sat-act-college-admissions-what-matters/index.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:See Harvard.

Test optional will be much more prevalent.

People can slide through Harvard without actually being smart. That's much more difficult at a school like MIT, or alot of other schools. I think more schools will be returning to test required.

How many times does this have to be explained to you: standardized admissions tests do not measure intelligence.

And, you need much more than intelligence to do well in college.

IQ test should be part of the package

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Admitted too many dimwits with fake high school grades who can't get past calc. Shocking. Not.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:See Harvard.

Test optional will be much more prevalent.

Nope. Test optional will begin to disappear.

It was a trend that was never going to catch on for the masses.

Harvard and pretty much the entire California public college system disagrees.

One highly rejective college reverting back to a standardized test. Not exactly earth shattering news.

Harvard is no longer attracting the brightest kids. UC will similarly go down.

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The link didn't work for me but this one does:https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/we-are-reinstating-our-sat-act-requirement-for-future-admissions-cycles/Yes, it makes hiring so much easier. We have to thoroughly test applicants ourselves from more racist, cultural fit type colleges in IT as they have just been good at taking nine classes and dropping all but the gut classes. The objective result also helps us find often overlooked, underrepresented candidates from poorer more disadvantaged areas who put the work in individually. A wonderful reprieve after having to deal with an enormous ego and corresponding finger-pointing to deal with the "shock" of how weak they really are in spite of their genitalia/skin/daddy/delusion. MIT using data-driven correlation for more fair entry is awesome!

I can definitely believe that MIT found that requiring the SAT helped better select high school students who will do well at MIT.

But for companies hiring MIT graduates, wouldn't grades and internships and research tell you way more about the applicant than a single test taken in high school? That is, even if the admissions office picked some students who won't do well in college, can't employees tell who didn't do well in college?

Well I think you're the only one asking this question, but in fact DE Shaw famously has required all standardized test scores as part of their hiring process. Don't know if they still do. What do you think -- do you think the SAT still has predictive power for applicant quality controlling for other observables? Personally, I suspect that it does.

Interesting bc the Shaw dad actually gave multi-million dollar donations to multiple Ivies to ensure his kids could get in. The ‘22 grad chose Yale. Guess his own kids don’t need those pesky standardized tests.

D.E. Shaw did not require SAT scores because they subjected their candidates to multi-day IQ tests.