How will new Sec of Edu effect FCPS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the out-of-stater doesn’t want to be called out as a shill then perhaps she should share a pro-charter comment that sounds like it came right out of a campaign email.

Youngkin is going to push to defund our public schools with charters and vouchers. Our schools need to be supported, not to be gutted.

I see FCPS administrators and School Board members gutting our schools. When you see the hypocrisy, neglect, and misguided priorities on display for years, first by a 10-2 and then by a 12-0 Democratic School Boards, what you consider "gutting" seems like a "rescue mission" to many of us.

Without more details, the continued whining about how charters are going to "gut" the public schools is simply hysteria. One suspects what bothers you isn't the potential opening of a charter school so much as the realization that your ability to operate with limited accountability and to prioritize random social justice initiatives over the efficient operation of a $3B school system is coming to an end.

I don’t think it’s “sky is falling” to be nervous about charter schools.
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Well said. So sick of the constant "sky is falling" from the left.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the out-of-stater doesn’t want to be called out as a shill then perhaps she should share a pro-charter comment that sounds like it came right out of a campaign email.

Youngkin is going to push to defund our public schools with charters and vouchers. Our schools need to be supported, not to be gutted.

NP. This is absolute BS. Either you know this and are just a sour grapes LWNJ, or you are incredibly foolish. Either way - not a good look.

Truth hurts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the out-of-stater doesn’t want to be called out as a shill then perhaps she should share a pro-charter comment that sounds like it came right out of a campaign email.

Youngkin is going to push to defund our public schools with charters and vouchers. Our schools need to be supported, not to be gutted.

Okay. Fine. Both my bright gen ed kid and my AAP kid were completely underserved and ignored in their FCPS schools. The teachers were overwhelmed with working with lower performing kids (even in AAP!), and my kids got almost no time with the teacher plus way too much time on Dreambox, ST Math, Raz kids, etc. Plus, the not-really-curricula that FCPS uses are terrible. Basically, the FCPS model was to take money for educating my kids, ignore them, and then spend the money to educate higher needs kids instead. At least at their charter, they're being given a rigorous education, and they're finally not bored out of their minds. Both kids would have been way behind standard from their FCPS educations (even in AAP!). Thankfully, we supplemented with AoPS math + language arts classes, so they were still on track for their grade levels.

I suppose if you view losing cash cow students (i.e the bright, supposedly easy to educate kids that constantly get ignored and aren't actually being educated by their teachers) as "gutting public schools," then charters will do exactly that. If you feel that bright, motivated kids deserve to be educated at an appropriate level, and they deserve to have their funding be spent on them and not diverted to other kids, then charters are great.

As a teacher, I find it difficult to resist the pressure to help the needy over the bright and motivated. I try to do so because

1. The bright and motivated kids are the ones who make my work meaningful
2. I didn’t obtain a Ph.D. to spend all my energy on those who are lackluster or need remedial work.
3. I was bored to death at the public middle school and high school I attended. I know what it’s like to sit there and watch the math teacher review the same problem for the umpteenth time.

That said, the needy ones tend to overshadow the bright ones just through bad behavior, obvious inertia, or constant complaints.

Personally, I think we need more tiers/ levels for classes. You can’t put 30 kids in a classroom of widely different skill levels and abilities, make “equity” the goal for the classroom, and not expect many of those kids to be short-shrifted.

Still, I am opposed to charter schools. Anecdotally, they have had successes, but they have also left many communities high and dry, and exploited resources - both financial and human.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the out-of-stater doesn’t want to be called out as a shill then perhaps she should share a pro-charter comment that sounds like it came right out of a campaign email.

Youngkin is going to push to defund our public schools with charters and vouchers. Our schools need to be supported, not to be gutted.

I see FCPS administrators and School Board members gutting our schools. When you see the hypocrisy, neglect, and misguided priorities on display for years, first by a 10-2 and then by a 12-0 Democratic School Boards, what you consider "gutting" seems like a "rescue mission" to many of us.

Without more details, the continued whining about how charters are going to "gut" the public schools is simply hysteria. One suspects what bothers you isn't the potential opening of a charter school so much as the realization that your ability to operate with limited accountability and to prioritize random social justice initiatives over the efficient operation of a $3B school system is coming to an end.

I’m not an administrator or school board member. Just a parent. A parent who wants to support our local public schools. My youngest is 5 so I have many years ahead with public schools. I don’t want Youngkin to take our fragile schools and cripple them further by defunding them.

Charters and vouchers don’t offer solutions to “fix” our public schools - only to defund them. Pulling money out of our schools isn’t the way to “fix” them.

Youngkin already has voucher activists on staff. Including DeVos groupies. How is calling any of that out “hysteria”?

[Anonymous]

Youngkin and his consultant charter school advocate are going to ruin Virginia’s public schools — which are currently ranked extremely highly. At least my kids are almost done with high school but our property values will definitely be screwed.

[Anonymous]

“Youngkin already has voucher activists on staff. Including DeVos groupies. How is calling any of that out “hysteria”? “

The Youngkin defenders on this thread are the lowest quality posters. They called a factual listing of the new VDOE Secretary’s background a “vicious attack.” They are name calling McAuliffe and board members. All propaganda and no substance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the out-of-stater doesn’t want to be called out as a shill then perhaps she should share a pro-charter comment that sounds like it came right out of a campaign email.

Youngkin is going to push to defund our public schools with charters and vouchers. Our schools need to be supported, not to be gutted.

Okay. Fine. Both my bright gen ed kid and my AAP kid were completely underserved and ignored in their FCPS schools. The teachers were overwhelmed with working with lower performing kids (even in AAP!), and my kids got almost no time with the teacher plus way too much time on Dreambox, ST Math, Raz kids, etc. Plus, the not-really-curricula that FCPS uses are terrible. Basically, the FCPS model was to take money for educating my kids, ignore them, and then spend the money to educate higher needs kids instead. At least at their charter, they're being given a rigorous education, and they're finally not bored out of their minds. Both kids would have been way behind standard from their FCPS educations (even in AAP!). Thankfully, we supplemented with AoPS math + language arts classes, so they were still on track for their grade levels.

I suppose if you view losing cash cow students (i.e the bright, supposedly easy to educate kids that constantly get ignored and aren't actually being educated by their teachers) as "gutting public schools," then charters will do exactly that. If you feel that bright, motivated kids deserve to be educated at an appropriate level, and they deserve to have their funding be spent on them and not diverted to other kids, then charters are great.

As a teacher, I find it difficult to resist the pressure to help the needy over the bright and motivated. I try to do so because

1. The bright and motivated kids are the ones who make my work meaningful
2. I didn’t obtain a Ph.D. to spend all my energy on those who are lackluster or need remedial work.
3. I was bored to death at the public middle school and high school I attended. I know what it’s like to sit there and watch the math teacher review the same problem for the umpteenth time.

That said, the needy ones tend to overshadow the bright ones just through bad behavior, obvious inertia, or constant complaints.

Personally, I think we need more tiers/ levels for classes. You can’t put 30 kids in a classroom of widely different skill levels and abilities, make “equity” the goal for the classroom, and not expect many of those kids to be short-shrifted.

Still, I am opposed to charter schools. Anecdotally, they have had successes, but they have also left many communities high and dry, and exploited resources - both financial and human.

Here is one of the root issues. We should be reducing class size. 30 is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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You sound like a hired shill. Why are you on the FCPS forums if you are in a different state and loving your charter schools?

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Doesn’t even in VA and pushing charters. Hard.

My kids were in FCPS for 6 years, and I've been on dcum for quite awhile. I still pop into the FCPS forum to see how things are going, especially since FCPS is so dysfunctional. Main point, though, is that there is a lot of fear mongering about charters. They've been a godsend for my kids, and so much better than what they were receiving in FCPS. FCPS could give more school choice and different options by opening more magnet programs, but I don't think they are flexible enough to want to do so.

You just don’t get it. If you don’t stand down and let the FCPS bureaucrats and our School Board mandarins do whatever they want, on their own terms, you must be a shill, a Trumpkin, or an “Astroturfer.” All decent people in the county should just shut up, smile, and accept what FCPS delivers.

Oh BS. I've said it that I don't like the SB. Complaining about the SB is one thing, calling people "leftists," socialists," engaging in conspiracy theories, and saying parents are doormats because they do not agree with you sounds like right wing propaganda. I can tell the difference, can you?
Congratulations on escaping the FCPS train wreck.

Oh BS. I've said it that I don't like the SB. Complaining about the SB is one thing, calling people "leftists," socialists," engaging in conspiracy theories, and saying parents are doormats because they do not agree with you sounds like right wing propaganda. I can tell the difference, can you?

The PP that you claimed was a "hired shill" said none of those things. So now you're sticking words in her mouth and others to justify your own knee-jerk reaction.

I’m a completely different poster BTW. I never said anything about anyone being a hired shill. I’m addressing people who are dismissing that there is no right wing propaganda at all. Sounds like you are the one having a knee jerk reaction.

Not surprised to see your straw-man arguments continue. You disagree with PP, so you keep looking for different ways to imply her views aren't legitimate or based on personal experience. And then, when challenged, you retreat to suggesting that all you're really saying is that there must be some "right-wing propaganda."

The latter statement is anodyne, but so what? There are quite a few posters who regularly stalk these threads with their anti-Youngkin messages, making all sorts of ludicrous claims about what he's planning to do to education in the state. Grow up.

You really do project a lot lady

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the out-of-stater doesn’t want to be called out as a shill then perhaps she should share a pro-charter comment that sounds like it came right out of a campaign email.

Youngkin is going to push to defund our public schools with charters and vouchers. Our schools need to be supported, not to be gutted.

I see FCPS administrators and School Board members gutting our schools. When you see the hypocrisy, neglect, and misguided priorities on display for years, first by a 10-2 and then by a 12-0 Democratic School Boards, what you consider "gutting" seems like a "rescue mission" to many of us.

Without more details, the continued whining about how charters are going to "gut" the public schools is simply hysteria. One suspects what bothers you isn't the potential opening of a charter school so much as the realization that your ability to operate with limited accountability and to prioritize random social justice initiatives over the efficient operation of a $3B school system is coming to an end.

+ a million
Well said. So sick of the constant "sky is falling" from the left.

Right??? I mean because clearly the left is the one starting numerous threads since the pandemic on how the the sky is falling in regards to FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
As a teacher, I find it difficult to resist the pressure to help the needy over the bright and motivated. I try to do so because

1. The bright and motivated kids are the ones who make my work meaningful
2. I didn’t obtain a Ph.D. to spend all my energy on those who are lackluster or need remedial work.
3. I was bored to death at the public middle school and high school I attended. I know what it’s like to sit there and watch the math teacher review the same problem for the umpteenth time.

That said, the needy ones tend to overshadow the bright ones just through bad behavior, obvious inertia, or constant complaints.

Personally, I think we need more tiers/ levels for classes. You can’t put 30 kids in a classroom of widely different skill levels and abilities, make “equity” the goal for the classroom, and not expect many of those kids to be short-shrifted.

Still, I am opposed to charter schools. Anecdotally, they have had successes, but they have also left many communities high and dry, and exploited resources - both financial and human.

Charter school mom here. I don't specifically disagree with your points. FCPS could fix a lot of its problems with more levels, using scientifically proven math and reading curricula/no Lucy Calkins or flavor of the month computer learning programs, and setting higher standards for everyone rather than teaching to the lowest common denominator. Unfortunately, FCPS is just not going to take these steps, so charters may be the best or only option for parents of bright kids who are being ignored and underserved in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

FCPS has already created a new literacy plan based on the science of reading. Out of state charter mom, please find a thread on schools in your state to comment upon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Youngkin already has voucher activists on staff. Including DeVos groupies. How is calling any of that out “hysteria”? “

The Youngkin defenders on this thread are the lowest quality posters. They called a factual listing of the new VDOE Secretary’s background a “vicious attack.” They are name calling McAuliffe and board members. All propaganda and no substance.

You clearly lack the self-awareness to realize what a self-own this is on your part when it comes to politicizing any FCPS-related thread these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
As a teacher, I find it difficult to resist the pressure to help the needy over the bright and motivated. I try to do so because

1. The bright and motivated kids are the ones who make my work meaningful
2. I didn’t obtain a Ph.D. to spend all my energy on those who are lackluster or need remedial work.
3. I was bored to death at the public middle school and high school I attended. I know what it’s like to sit there and watch the math teacher review the same problem for the umpteenth time.

That said, the needy ones tend to overshadow the bright ones just through bad behavior, obvious inertia, or constant complaints.

Personally, I think we need more tiers/ levels for classes. You can’t put 30 kids in a classroom of widely different skill levels and abilities, make “equity” the goal for the classroom, and not expect many of those kids to be short-shrifted.

Still, I am opposed to charter schools. Anecdotally, they have had successes, but they have also left many communities high and dry, and exploited resources - both financial and human.

Charter school mom here. I don't specifically disagree with your points. FCPS could fix a lot of its problems with more levels, using scientifically proven math and reading curricula/no Lucy Calkins or flavor of the month computer learning programs, and setting higher standards for everyone rather than teaching to the lowest common denominator. Unfortunately, FCPS is just not going to take these steps, so charters may be the best or only option for parents of bright kids who are being ignored and underserved in FCPS.

FCPS truly is a mismanaged mess right now, and I detest how they pay lip service to politically correct principles to cover for their administrative short-cuts and sloppiness. You might be right that charter schools will open a path for underserved students. I don’t know. Unfortunately, as an older teacher with a high level of education, I doubt that I will be able to work at one, so the prospect of them flourishing makes me sad for myself and for teaching as a long-term profession. The charter schools I have known followed a pattern of hiring young, enthusiastic and idealistic 20-somethings, then burning through them quickly by severely underpaying and overworking them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS has already created a new literacy plan based on the science of reading. Out of state charter mom, please find a thread on schools in your state to comment upon.

+1

Charter mom is out of touch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the out-of-stater doesn’t want to be called out as a shill then perhaps she should share a pro-charter comment that sounds like it came right out of a campaign email.

Youngkin is going to push to defund our public schools with charters and vouchers. Our schools need to be supported, not to be gutted.

I see FCPS administrators and School Board members gutting our schools. When you see the hypocrisy, neglect, and misguided priorities on display for years, first by a 10-2 and then by a 12-0 Democratic School Boards, what you consider "gutting" seems like a "rescue mission" to many of us.

Without more details, the continued whining about how charters are going to "gut" the public schools is simply hysteria. One suspects what bothers you isn't the potential opening of a charter school so much as the realization that your ability to operate with limited accountability and to prioritize random social justice initiatives over the efficient operation of a $3B school system is coming to an end.

+ a million
Well said. So sick of the constant "sky is falling" from the left.

Right??? I mean because clearly the left is the one starting numerous threads since the pandemic on how the the sky is falling in regards to FCPS.