WTU is demanding a "plan & policy for next week & Jan"

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all a fan of WTU. But, given the fact that all DCPS leaders and all of OSSE--including the chancellor and vice chancellor--are all AT HOME, I do not at all blame the teachers' union for wanting to board the gravy train.

Some people's jobs can be done remotely without loss of productivity. Some people's jobs cannot.

The chancellor and vice chancellor of a school system in which a majority of students cannot read, write or do mathematics on grade level should be in the office. Leading, working and setting an example from the top for principals and teachers.

I mean, that doesn't make sense but ok.

DP: How about this? The people in leadership telling us schools are safe and robustly implementing mitigation efforts should be working daily in schools to show that they also would feel safe in schools. If nothing else, we’d appreciate the extra bodies!

Not the PP, but if they were smart they would take you up on this idea. Local and federal officials should have been back in the office a long time ago. It's not March 2020 anymore. If the ongoing WFH arrangement is contributing to morale problems, DCPS leadership should take that issue off the table.

It's goofy because on the one hand, there are people going on about mitigation mitigation mitigation to decrease community case rates and therefore make schools safer. On the other they want LESS mitigation (get people into office who don't need to be there, for the sake of optics).

Look, I get that Central Office pisses you all off, and there might be very good reasons for that. But your proposed solutions don't make sense.

Do you want schools open? We need adult bodies. There is no one working at central office on December 21 doing essential time sensitive work. Send them into schools.

So you want some data analyst who's been behind a computer his whole adult life to come try and manage a classroom??? Hahahhahahaha

I wonder if that's even possible, given that volunteers have to go through fingerprinting, etc. I mean, a parent can't get into a school these days, so I don't know why everyone thinks it is feasible for anyone to sub.

I'm not denying that there are sub shortages, and I'm not denying that this creates challenges for school staff. Just the proposed solutions seem silly.

I would agree with the other poster that yeah, not enough bodies in staff/teaching roles = classroom or school closures.

All central office workers go through the same fingerprinting process as teachers. There is no excuse

What are they doing that doesn't need to be done? Will anyone notice if....idk....the cases get reported even slower? Or which operations should stop?

How many months - working from home - did they have to figure out how to do this efficiently? Not competent.

DP: More importantly, who is this rando central office booster. What a weird stance to be so pro bureaucracy while schools are having outbreaks

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all a fan of WTU. But, given the fact that all DCPS leaders and all of OSSE--including the chancellor and vice chancellor--are all AT HOME, I do not at all blame the teachers' union for wanting to board the gravy train.

Some people's jobs can be done remotely without loss of productivity. Some people's jobs cannot.

The chancellor and vice chancellor of a school system in which a majority of students cannot read, write or do mathematics on grade level should be in the office. Leading, working and setting an example from the top for principals and teachers.

I mean, that doesn't make sense but ok.

DP: How about this? The people in leadership telling us schools are safe and robustly implementing mitigation efforts should be working daily in schools to show that they also would feel safe in schools. If nothing else, we’d appreciate the extra bodies!

Not the PP, but if they were smart they would take you up on this idea. Local and federal officials should have been back in the office a long time ago. It's not March 2020 anymore. If the ongoing WFH arrangement is contributing to morale problems, DCPS leadership should take that issue off the table.

It's goofy because on the one hand, there are people going on about mitigation mitigation mitigation to decrease community case rates and therefore make schools safer. On the other they want LESS mitigation (get people into office who don't need to be there, for the sake of optics).

Look, I get that Central Office pisses you all off, and there might be very good reasons for that. But your proposed solutions don't make sense.

Do you want schools open? We need adult bodies. There is no one working at central office on December 21 doing essential time sensitive work. Send them into schools.

So you want some data analyst who's been behind a computer his whole adult life to come try and manage a classroom??? Hahahhahahaha

Would love to know who you think they are hiring as subs that would be any better.

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I think it would be GREAT for the paper pushers to get a sense for what really happens at the schools. It will help them be better at their regular jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all a fan of WTU. But, given the fact that all DCPS leaders and all of OSSE--including the chancellor and vice chancellor--are all AT HOME, I do not at all blame the teachers' union for wanting to board the gravy train.

Some people's jobs can be done remotely without loss of productivity. Some people's jobs cannot.

The chancellor and vice chancellor of a school system in which a majority of students cannot read, write or do mathematics on grade level should be in the office. Leading, working and setting an example from the top for principals and teachers.

I mean, that doesn't make sense but ok.

DP: How about this? The people in leadership telling us schools are safe and robustly implementing mitigation efforts should be working daily in schools to show that they also would feel safe in schools. If nothing else, we’d appreciate the extra bodies!

...they have jobs, that people expect them to do? Like, I'd imagine, coordinate covid responses and notifications? Pretty sure they aren't just hanging out doing nothing.

Priorities. The essential mission and reason for existence is school not administration. If schools need bodies they need to step up. They may not be doing nothing but wha they are doing is not essential and there is a shortage of people to do the essential work.

How ironic. Parents have been saying that the mission and reason for existence of school isn't actually for teacher benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all a fan of WTU. But, given the fact that all DCPS leaders and all of OSSE--including the chancellor and vice chancellor--are all AT HOME, I do not at all blame the teachers' union for wanting to board the gravy train.

Some people's jobs can be done remotely without loss of productivity. Some people's jobs cannot.

The chancellor and vice chancellor of a school system in which a majority of students cannot read, write or do mathematics on grade level should be in the office. Leading, working and setting an example from the top for principals and teachers.

I mean, that doesn't make sense but ok.

DP: How about this? The people in leadership telling us schools are safe and robustly implementing mitigation efforts should be working daily in schools to show that they also would feel safe in schools. If nothing else, we’d appreciate the extra bodies!

...they have jobs, that people expect them to do? Like, I'd imagine, coordinate covid responses and notifications? Pretty sure they aren't just hanging out doing nothing.

Priorities. The essential mission and reason for existence is school not administration. If schools need bodies they need to step up. They may not be doing nothing but wha they are doing is not essential and there is a shortage of people to do the essential work.

How ironic. Parents have been saying that the mission and reason for existence of school isn't actually for teacher benefits.

Not inconsistent. Mission is education. The mission needs teachers and admin but the mission is the kids.

Are you seriously defending the competence and efficiency of CO?

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all a fan of WTU. But, given the fact that all DCPS leaders and all of OSSE--including the chancellor and vice chancellor--are all AT HOME, I do not at all blame the teachers' union for wanting to board the gravy train.

Some people's jobs can be done remotely without loss of productivity. Some people's jobs cannot.

The chancellor and vice chancellor of a school system in which a majority of students cannot read, write or do mathematics on grade level should be in the office. Leading, working and setting an example from the top for principals and teachers.

I mean, that doesn't make sense but ok.

DP: How about this? The people in leadership telling us schools are safe and robustly implementing mitigation efforts should be working daily in schools to show that they also would feel safe in schools. If nothing else, we’d appreciate the extra bodies!

Not the PP, but if they were smart they would take you up on this idea. Local and federal officials should have been back in the office a long time ago. It's not March 2020 anymore. If the ongoing WFH arrangement is contributing to morale problems, DCPS leadership should take that issue off the table.

No. Workers who can do their jobs from home stay home to minimize the spread, thus protecting and enabling kids and teachers who need to be in person at school.

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all a fan of WTU. But, given the fact that all DCPS leaders and all of OSSE--including the chancellor and vice chancellor--are all AT HOME, I do not at all blame the teachers' union for wanting to board the gravy train.

Some people's jobs can be done remotely without loss of productivity. Some people's jobs cannot.

The chancellor and vice chancellor of a school system in which a majority of students cannot read, write or do mathematics on grade level should be in the office. Leading, working and setting an example from the top for principals and teachers.

I mean, that doesn't make sense but ok.

DP: How about this? The people in leadership telling us schools are safe and robustly implementing mitigation efforts should be working daily in schools to show that they also would feel safe in schools. If nothing else, we’d appreciate the extra bodies!

Not the PP, but if they were smart they would take you up on this idea. Local and federal officials should have been back in the office a long time ago. It's not March 2020 anymore. If the ongoing WFH arrangement is contributing to morale problems, DCPS leadership should take that issue off the table.

It's goofy because on the one hand, there are people going on about mitigation mitigation mitigation to decrease community case rates and therefore make schools safer. On the other they want LESS mitigation (get people into office who don't need to be there, for the sake of optics).

Look, I get that Central Office pisses you all off, and there might be very good reasons for that. But your proposed solutions don't make sense.

Do you want schools open? We need adult bodies. There is no one working at central office on December 21 doing essential time sensitive work. Send them into schools.

So you want some data analyst who's been behind a computer his whole adult life to come try and manage a classroom??? Hahahhahahaha

I wonder if that's even possible, given that volunteers have to go through fingerprinting, etc. I mean, a parent can't get into a school these days, so I don't know why everyone thinks it is feasible for anyone to sub.

I'm not denying that there are sub shortages, and I'm not denying that this creates challenges for school staff. Just the proposed solutions seem silly.

I would agree with the other poster that yeah, not enough bodies in staff/teaching roles = classroom or school closures.

All central office workers go through the same fingerprinting process as teachers. There is no excuse

What are they doing that doesn't need to be done? Will anyone notice if....idk....the cases get reported even slower? Or which operations should stop?

How many months - working from home - did they have to figure out how to do this efficiently? Not competent.

It's a self-importance problem. Central Office personnel think they are better, more senior and more important than school personnel. It's a common organizational problem during crisis situations and indicates extremely poor leadership a management.

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all a fan of WTU. But, given the fact that all DCPS leaders and all of OSSE--including the chancellor and vice chancellor--are all AT HOME, I do not at all blame the teachers' union for wanting to board the gravy train.

Some people's jobs can be done remotely without loss of productivity. Some people's jobs cannot.

The chancellor and vice chancellor of a school system in which a majority of students cannot read, write or do mathematics on grade level should be in the office. Leading, working and setting an example from the top for principals and teachers.

I mean, that doesn't make sense but ok.

DP: How about this? The people in leadership telling us schools are safe and robustly implementing mitigation efforts should be working daily in schools to show that they also would feel safe in schools. If nothing else, we’d appreciate the extra bodies!

Not the PP, but if they were smart they would take you up on this idea. Local and federal officials should have been back in the office a long time ago. It's not March 2020 anymore. If the ongoing WFH arrangement is contributing to morale problems, DCPS leadership should take that issue off the table.

No. Workers who can do their jobs from home stay home to minimize the spread, thus protecting and enabling kids and teachers who need to be in person at school.

Except it doesn't keep anyone extra home. Schools need in person subs and temp workers desperately. They are trying to fill them with outside workers but don't have enough qualified options. Central Office has hundreds of qualified personnel. They should be using those already hired, paid and cleared personnel to temporarily backfill vacancies and relieve short staffing in the mission critical part of the organization.

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all a fan of WTU. But, given the fact that all DCPS leaders and all of OSSE--including the chancellor and vice chancellor--are all AT HOME, I do not at all blame the teachers' union for wanting to board the gravy train.

Some people's jobs can be done remotely without loss of productivity. Some people's jobs cannot.

The chancellor and vice chancellor of a school system in which a majority of students cannot read, write or do mathematics on grade level should be in the office. Leading, working and setting an example from the top for principals and teachers.

I mean, that doesn't make sense but ok.

DP: How about this? The people in leadership telling us schools are safe and robustly implementing mitigation efforts should be working daily in schools to show that they also would feel safe in schools. If nothing else, we’d appreciate the extra bodies!

Not the PP, but if they were smart they would take you up on this idea. Local and federal officials should have been back in the office a long time ago. It's not March 2020 anymore. If the ongoing WFH arrangement is contributing to morale problems, DCPS leadership should take that issue off the table.

No. Workers who can do their jobs from home stay home to minimize the spread, thus protecting and enabling kids and teachers who need to be in person at school.

Except it doesn't keep anyone extra home. Schools need in person subs and temp workers desperately. They are trying to fill them with outside workers but don't have enough qualified options. Central Office has hundreds of qualified personnel. They should be using those already hired, paid and cleared personnel to temporarily backfill vacancies and relieve short staffing in the mission critical part of the organization.

So true.

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all a fan of WTU. But, given the fact that all DCPS leaders and all of OSSE--including the chancellor and vice chancellor--are all AT HOME, I do not at all blame the teachers' union for wanting to board the gravy train.

Some people's jobs can be done remotely without loss of productivity. Some people's jobs cannot.

The chancellor and vice chancellor of a school system in which a majority of students cannot read, write or do mathematics on grade level should be in the office. Leading, working and setting an example from the top for principals and teachers.

I mean, that doesn't make sense but ok.

DP: How about this? The people in leadership telling us schools are safe and robustly implementing mitigation efforts should be working daily in schools to show that they also would feel safe in schools. If nothing else, we’d appreciate the extra bodies!

Not the PP, but if they were smart they would take you up on this idea. Local and federal officials should have been back in the office a long time ago. It's not March 2020 anymore. If the ongoing WFH arrangement is contributing to morale problems, DCPS leadership should take that issue off the table.

No. Workers who can do their jobs from home stay home to minimize the spread, thus protecting and enabling kids and teachers who need to be in person at school.

Except it doesn't keep anyone extra home. Schools need in person subs and temp workers desperately. They are trying to fill them with outside workers but don't have enough qualified options. Central Office has hundreds of qualified personnel. They should be using those already hired, paid and cleared personnel to temporarily backfill vacancies and relieve short staffing in the mission critical part of the organization.

Oh come on. If they did this then the WTU would howl about the administration being so arrogant that they think “paper pushers” can do the jobs of teachers

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Anonymous wrote:Well I sure am glad we never planned for any virtual learning. Just heads right in the sand was a great choice.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you spend any kind of time planning a switch to virtual, word gets around and you're crucified before you can explain, and you don't, and a dangerous variant arrives (because it was bound to happen at some point, as scientists told us), people are mad that nothing is in the works, ready to go.

Is anyone surprised that there are any public school teachers left at this point? It's like healthcare workers who quit. There is only so much terrible work conditions a human can take.

I hated virtual learning and hope we won’t have to pivot, but this may be my last year as a teacher. I’m tired of being disrespected and brow beaten by parents and gaslighted by DCPS.

Reading this board would make one think teachers are lazy and just want to work from home for whatever reason. Why on earth would you send your kids to school at all? If you think our job is so easy, YOU do it!

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Anonymous wrote:Well I sure am glad we never planned for any virtual learning. Just heads right in the sand was a great choice.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you spend any kind of time planning a switch to virtual, word gets around and you're crucified before you can explain, and you don't, and a dangerous variant arrives (because it was bound to happen at some point, as scientists told us), people are mad that nothing is in the works, ready to go.

Is anyone surprised that there are any public school teachers left at this point? It's like healthcare workers who quit. There is only so much terrible work conditions a human can take.

I hated virtual learning and hope we won’t have to pivot, but this may be my last year as a teacher. I’m tired of being disrespected and brow beaten by parents and gaslighted by DCPS.

Reading this board would make one think teachers are lazy and just want to work from home for whatever reason. Why on earth would you send your kids to school at all? If you think our job is so easy, YOU do it!

I’m resigning at the end of this year OR when I find a new position, whatever comes first. Reading DCUM and seeing the blatant disrespect and elitist mentalities toward my profession make this very tough decision easier.

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all a fan of WTU. But, given the fact that all DCPS leaders and all of OSSE--including the chancellor and vice chancellor--are all AT HOME, I do not at all blame the teachers' union for wanting to board the gravy train.

Some people's jobs can be done remotely without loss of productivity. Some people's jobs cannot.

The chancellor and vice chancellor of a school system in which a majority of students cannot read, write or do mathematics on grade level should be in the office. Leading, working and setting an example from the top for principals and teachers.

I mean, that doesn't make sense but ok.

DP: How about this? The people in leadership telling us schools are safe and robustly implementing mitigation efforts should be working daily in schools to show that they also would feel safe in schools. If nothing else, we’d appreciate the extra bodies!

Not the PP, but if they were smart they would take you up on this idea. Local and federal officials should have been back in the office a long time ago. It's not March 2020 anymore. If the ongoing WFH arrangement is contributing to morale problems, DCPS leadership should take that issue off the table.

No. Workers who can do their jobs from home stay home to minimize the spread, thus protecting and enabling kids and teachers who need to be in person at school.

Except it doesn't keep anyone extra home. Schools need in person subs and temp workers desperately. They are trying to fill them with outside workers but don't have enough qualified options. Central Office has hundreds of qualified personnel. They should be using those already hired, paid and cleared personnel to temporarily backfill vacancies and relieve short staffing in the mission critical part of the organization.

Oh come on. If they did this then the WTU would howl about the administration being so arrogant that they think “paper pushers” can do the jobs of teachers

No teacher would complain about extra subs in the building. The solution currently is to take away teachers’ lunch and planning periods to cover classes with no teacher. These central office staff aren’t taking full positions for teachers, they are physical bodies needed so teachers can get time to plan, eat or use the restroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Well I sure am glad we never planned for any virtual learning. Just heads right in the sand was a great choice.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you spend any kind of time planning a switch to virtual, word gets around and you're crucified before you can explain, and you don't, and a dangerous variant arrives (because it was bound to happen at some point, as scientists told us), people are mad that nothing is in the works, ready to go.

Is anyone surprised that there are any public school teachers left at this point? It's like healthcare workers who quit. There is only so much terrible work conditions a human can take.

I hated virtual learning and hope we won’t have to pivot, but this may be my last year as a teacher. I’m tired of being disrespected and brow beaten by parents and gaslighted by DCPS.

Reading this board would make one think teachers are lazy and just want to work from home for whatever reason. Why on earth would you send your kids to school at all? If you think our job is so easy, YOU do it!

I truly think it’s just a few loudmouth assholes on this board, PP. If you’re getting this in person, move to a different school.

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all a fan of WTU. But, given the fact that all DCPS leaders and all of OSSE--including the chancellor and vice chancellor--are all AT HOME, I do not at all blame the teachers' union for wanting to board the gravy train.

Some people's jobs can be done remotely without loss of productivity. Some people's jobs cannot.

The chancellor and vice chancellor of a school system in which a majority of students cannot read, write or do mathematics on grade level should be in the office. Leading, working and setting an example from the top for principals and teachers.

I mean, that doesn't make sense but ok.

DP: How about this? The people in leadership telling us schools are safe and robustly implementing mitigation efforts should be working daily in schools to show that they also would feel safe in schools. If nothing else, we’d appreciate the extra bodies!

Not the PP, but if they were smart they would take you up on this idea. Local and federal officials should have been back in the office a long time ago. It's not March 2020 anymore. If the ongoing WFH arrangement is contributing to morale problems, DCPS leadership should take that issue off the table.

It's goofy because on the one hand, there are people going on about mitigation mitigation mitigation to decrease community case rates and therefore make schools safer. On the other they want LESS mitigation (get people into office who don't need to be there, for the sake of optics).

Look, I get that Central Office pisses you all off, and there might be very good reasons for that. But your proposed solutions don't make sense.

Do you want schools open? We need adult bodies. There is no one working at central office on December 21 doing essential time sensitive work. Send them into schools.

So you want some data analyst who's been behind a computer his whole adult life to come try and manage a classroom??? Hahahhahahaha

I wonder if that's even possible, given that volunteers have to go through fingerprinting, etc. I mean, a parent can't get into a school these days, so I don't know why everyone thinks it is feasible for anyone to sub.

I'm not denying that there are sub shortages, and I'm not denying that this creates challenges for school staff. Just the proposed solutions seem silly.

I would agree with the other poster that yeah, not enough bodies in staff/teaching roles = classroom or school closures.

All central office workers go through the same fingerprinting process as teachers. There is no excuse

What are they doing that doesn't need to be done? Will anyone notice if....idk....the cases get reported even slower? Or which operations should stop?

How many months - working from home - did they have to figure out how to do this efficiently? Not competent.

It's a self-importance problem. Central Office personnel think they are better, more senior and more important than school personnel. It's a common organizational problem during crisis situations and indicates extremely poor leadership a management.

This is such a non sequitur. Central Office staff can do their jobs effectively from home given the nature of their job whereas teachers cannot as categorically and objectively proven through last year’s disaster of an experiment. For the benefit of public health, all jobs that can be done at home have been and should continue to be done from home allowing those who need to be in person for their job to do so with the least risk. If central office and every other job that can be done at home continued to be done in person, that would make an exponentially LESS SAFE environment with higher community spread for teachers, students, and others who need to be in person, including doctors, mailmen etc.

Basically every company’s central office employees from Amazon to Google to even the military have been working from home while certain of their employees who need to be in person to do their jobs have continued to do so. DCPS is no different from every other organization, administration, company, what have you. They stay home to keep the rest of their employees and the general public who cannot safe.