Son having a hard time deferred everywhere so far

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Anonymous wrote:Applied to 10 schools, well within range for all but 2. Received 5 deferrals so far. Very discouraged. Trying to help him focus on next steps in deferral process. FWIW the schools he applied to are seeing insane application volume increase. For example, Auburn, where EA admits used to be around 75 percent and were 24 percent this year.

I thought we covered this last year. People need to be applying to MORE SAFETIES. Period. I am not trying to be harsh, it is what it is, unfortunately.

Well, as OP pointed out, many schools that were safeties last year aren’t this year.

Very, very bright classmate of DD rejected at a NESCAC this weekend, which really seemed more like a target than a reach for the kid. DD is just in shock as the kid is one of the brightest in their class and had legacy at college.

<20% acceptance is a reach for EVERYONE. It was not a target school.

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Anonymous wrote:Applied to 10 schools, well within range for all but 2. Received 5 deferrals so far. Very discouraged. Trying to help him focus on next steps in deferral process. FWIW the schools he applied to are seeing insane application volume increase. For example, Auburn, where EA admits used to be around 75 percent and were 24 percent this year.

I thought we covered this last year. People need to be applying to MORE SAFETIES. Period. I am not trying to be harsh, it is what it is, unfortunately.

Well, as OP pointed out, many schools that were safeties last year aren’t this year.

Very, very bright classmate of DD rejected at a NESCAC this weekend, which really seemed more like a target than a reach for the kid. DD is just in shock as the kid is one of the brightest in their class and had legacy at college.

<20% acceptance is a reach for EVERYONE. It was not a target school.

The definition of "safety" changed with covid - but most parents are in denial.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there rolling admission public colleges in Virginia?

VCU is the only one I can think of.

ODU is as well

Mary Washington as well.

Mary Washington is not rolling admission.

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OP here. Oh boy, probably time to shit this one down. Really appreciate the encouraging posters, particularly those with similar stories at this point in the process. I’ll post when he has good news!

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Shut…

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Anonymous wrote:OP here.

I’m not arguing any of these things. My son is privileged. We get that. But he’s still nervous and disappointed and worried about getting into college (not top 50 schools btw).

Find a true safety with rolling admissions that offers a strong program in whatever your child is interested in. For us, this was West Virginia University. We knew it would almost certainly accept our DD (and it did) and she got that acceptance early so it was a win & major confidence booster. They have a strong program she is interested in so for her it’s a solid backup while we wait on the others she applied to EA.

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I didn’t read whole thread but if not suggested already, he may be able send any new information (activities etc) that could help to schools that deferred him. Good luck.

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Here is the fact that is undisputable: Selective colleges could admit whoever the heck they wanted before they went test optional, and they can pick whoever they heck they want after test optional.

You are ridiculous. Could they admit anyone before, irrespective of their test scores? Sure. Did they? No. Why? Any Adcom that presided over a precipitous drop in ranking for a top school (which is what would happen to a school that admitted any significant number kids with low test scores, pre-test optional) wouldn’t have a job very long. This I do know directly from the source.

No you don't know.

They have always picked who they wanted based on criteria of their own choosing.

Just not of your choosing.

FYI, test scores are exactly 5% of the USN formula. So you are clearly not as informed as you claim.

It seems to me that some kids wouldn't have even bothered to apply in the past because they had low test scores. They might have gotten in if they applied but figured it wasn't worth it. But now they are applying and adding to the pool of applicants. So those kids wouldn't have gotten in before (because they didn't apply) but might now.

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Anonymous wrote:Applied to 10 schools, well within range for all but 2. Received 5 deferrals so far. Very discouraged. Trying to help him focus on next steps in deferral process. FWIW the schools he applied to are seeing insane application volume increase. For example, Auburn, where EA admits used to be around 75 percent and were 24 percent this year.

I thought we covered this last year. People need to be applying to MORE SAFETIES. Period. I am not trying to be harsh, it is what it is, unfortunately.

Well, as OP pointed out, many schools that were safeties last year aren’t this year.

Very, very bright classmate of DD rejected at a NESCAC this weekend, which really seemed more like a target than a reach for the kid. DD is just in shock as the kid is one of the brightest in their class and had legacy at college.

But if they have a 9% or 11% admit rate, the odds that kid would get rejected ~90%...so why are people shocked.

I swear, so many people seem incapable of doing math.

That's the most stupid and yet most popular argument ever. Do you really believe the chance for the top student of the class is the same as a below average student for top tier colleges?

Do YOU know how many applicants were the top students in their respective classes?

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Here is the fact that is undisputable: Selective colleges could admit whoever the heck they wanted before they went test optional, and they can pick whoever they heck they want after test optional.

You are ridiculous. Could they admit anyone before, irrespective of their test scores? Sure. Did they? No. Why? Any Adcom that presided over a precipitous drop in ranking for a top school (which is what would happen to a school that admitted any significant number kids with low test scores, pre-test optional) wouldn’t have a job very long. This I do know directly from the source.

No you don't know.

They have always picked who they wanted based on criteria of their own choosing.

Just not of your choosing.

FYI, test scores are exactly 5% of the USN formula. So you are clearly not as informed as you claim.

It seems to me that some kids wouldn't have even bothered to apply in the past because they had low test scores. They might have gotten in if they applied but figured it wasn't worth it. But now they are applying and adding to the pool of applicants. So those kids wouldn't have gotten in before (because they didn't apply) but might now.

THIS! The result is chaos. Too many applications and a brand new notion that the previously accepted measures are out the window. Nuts.

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Here is the fact that is undisputable: Selective colleges could admit whoever the heck they wanted before they went test optional, and they can pick whoever they heck they want after test optional.

You are ridiculous. Could they admit anyone before, irrespective of their test scores? Sure. Did they? No. Why? Any Adcom that presided over a precipitous drop in ranking for a top school (which is what would happen to a school that admitted any significant number kids with low test scores, pre-test optional) wouldn’t have a job very long. This I do know directly from the source.

No you don't know.

They have always picked who they wanted based on criteria of their own choosing.

Just not of your choosing.

FYI, test scores are exactly 5% of the USN formula. So you are clearly not as informed as you claim.

It seems to me that some kids wouldn't have even bothered to apply in the past because they had low test scores. They might have gotten in if they applied but figured it wasn't worth it. But now they are applying and adding to the pool of applicants. So those kids wouldn't have gotten in before (because they didn't apply) but might now.

I know it "seems to" you. But there is no evidence of this, or of the assumptions you make to reach that conclusion.

The undisputable fact is we have nearly the same number of slots and nearly the same number of kids, so the results n the aggregate will be the same. You can't predict who would have been admitted or rejected in a past year because you don't have any idea.

It's simply not really different even if it seems different to you.

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It's quite entertaining to watch someone so wrong insist that they're so right:

"I know it "seems to" you. But there is no evidence of this, or of the assumptions you make to reach that conclusion.

The undisputable fact is we have nearly the same number of slots and nearly the same number of kids, so the results n the aggregate will be the same. You can't predict who would have been admitted or rejected in a past year because you don't have any idea.

It's simply not really different even if it seems different to you."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Applied to 10 schools, well within range for all but 2. Received 5 deferrals so far. Very discouraged. Trying to help him focus on next steps in deferral process. FWIW the schools he applied to are seeing insane application volume increase. For example, Auburn, where EA admits used to be around 75 percent and were 24 percent this year.

I thought we covered this last year. People need to be applying to MORE SAFETIES. Period. I am not trying to be harsh, it is what it is, unfortunately.

Well, as OP pointed out, many schools that were safeties last year aren’t this year.

Very, very bright classmate of DD rejected at a NESCAC this weekend, which really seemed more like a target than a reach for the kid. DD is just in shock as the kid is one of the brightest in their class and had legacy at college.

<20% acceptance is a reach for EVERYONE. It was not a target school.

+1. Top NESCACs are <15%......in what world is that a target?

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Anonymous wrote:It's quite entertaining to watch someone so wrong insist that they're so right:

"I know it "seems to" you. But there is no evidence of this, or of the assumptions you make to reach that conclusion.

The undisputable fact is we have nearly the same number of slots and nearly the same number of kids, so the results n the aggregate will be the same. You can't predict who would have been admitted or rejected in a past year because you don't have any idea.

It's simply not really different even if it seems different to you."

+1. The quoted PP above is wrong. Once "test-optional" was lifted, scores of kids that would have never applied to elite schools did, which created chaos and a level of competition never before seen. Read The Chronicle of Higher Education.

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Anonymous wrote:Applied to 10 schools, well within range for all but 2. Received 5 deferrals so far. Very discouraged. Trying to help him focus on next steps in deferral process. FWIW the schools he applied to are seeing insane application volume increase. For example, Auburn, where EA admits used to be around 75 percent and were 24 percent this year.

I thought we covered this last year. People need to be applying to MORE SAFETIES. Period. I am not trying to be harsh, it is what it is, unfortunately.

Well, as OP pointed out, many schools that were safeties last year aren’t this year.

Very, very bright classmate of DD rejected at a NESCAC this weekend, which really seemed more like a target than a reach for the kid. DD is just in shock as the kid is one of the brightest in their class and had legacy at college.

But if they have a 9% or 11% admit rate, the odds that kid would get rejected ~90%...so why are people shocked.

I swear, so many people seem incapable of doing math.

FWIW, the college office was suggesting that he aim higher and was pushing Cornell, Penn. He decided to go with what he thought was a less risky 22% admit rate and legacy. Immigrant, but not first gen. I know the parents and DD is close to the kid. So yeah, I get why DD is shocked even if she had the good fortune of getting in @ a sub 15% admit rate as she def sees this kid as her peer and more exceptional in some subject areas. And FTR, they're both on award-winning school math team.

Odds probably were better at Penn or Cornell, they are much bigger schools.

He should apply to his second choice ED2

???