Common Core's epic fail: Special Education

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

How about this high school math standard for probability -- is it ridiculous?

CCSS.Math.Content.HSS.CP.A.3
Understand the conditional probability of A given B as P(A and B)/P(B), and interpret independence of A and B as saying that the conditional probability of A given B is the same as the probability of A, and the conditional probability of B given A is the same as the probability of B.

Is there one for making change? Balancing a checkbook?

Neither of those are (or IMO should be) the focus of a high school on grade level math class, so I don't know why high school math would have standards for those two things.

The probability standard seems pretty straight forward to me.

[Anonymous]

Could you please provide one or two examples of standards that you think are ridiculous?

How about this high school math standard for probability -- is it ridiculous?

CCSS.Math.Content.HSS.CP.A.3
Understand the conditional probability of A given B as P(A and B)/P(B), and interpret independence of A and B as saying that the conditional probability of A given B is the same as the probability of A, and the conditional probability of B given A is the same as the probability of B.

Just gave this one to my husband: MS MIT Nuclear Physics. He went glassy eyed. Of course, it has been a few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

How about this high school math standard for probability -- is it ridiculous?

CCSS.Math.Content.HSS.CP.A.3
Understand the conditional probability of A given B as P(A and B)/P(B), and interpret independence of A and B as saying that the conditional probability of A given B is the same as the probability of A, and the conditional probability of B given A is the same as the probability of B.

Is there one for making change? Balancing a checkbook?

The standard for money is a second-grade math standard:

CCSS.Math.Content.2.MD.C.8
Solve word problems involving dollar bills, quarters, dimes, nickels, and pennies, using $ and ¢ symbols appropriately. Example: If you have 2 dimes and 3 pennies, how many cents do you have?

Which high school math classes teach balancing a checkbook?

Here are the old PK-8 plus algebra and geometry math standards for Maryland from before Maryland adopted the Common Core standards. Where is their standard for balancing a checkbook?

http://mdk12.org/assessments/vsc/

Here are the Virginia Standards of Learning. Where is their standard for balancing a checkbook?

http://www.doe.virginia.gov/testing/sol/standards_docs/mathematics/index.shtml

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Could you please provide one or two examples of standards that you think are ridiculous?

How about this high school math standard for probability -- is it ridiculous?

CCSS.Math.Content.HSS.CP.A.3
Understand the conditional probability of A given B as P(A and B)/P(B), and interpret independence of A and B as saying that the conditional probability of A given B is the same as the probability of A, and the conditional probability of B given A is the same as the probability of B.

Just gave this one to my husband: MS MIT Nuclear Physics. He went glassy eyed. Of course, it has been a few years.

I hope that you're not saying that this is a ridiculous standard based on your husband going glassy-eyed? It's about a very basic concept of probability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How about this high school math standard for probability -- is it ridiculous?

CCSS.Math.Content.HSS.CP.A.3
Understand the conditional probability of A given B as P(A and B)/P(B), and interpret independence of A and B as saying that the conditional probability of A given B is the same as the probability of A, and the conditional probability of B given A is the same as the probability of B.

Is there one for making change? Balancing a checkbook?

The standard for money is a second-grade math standard:

CCSS.Math.Content.2.MD.C.8
Solve word problems involving dollar bills, quarters, dimes, nickels, and pennies, using $ and ¢ symbols appropriately. Example: If you have 2 dimes and 3 pennies, how many cents do you have?

Which high school math classes teach balancing a checkbook?

Here are the old PK-8 plus algebra and geometry math standards for Maryland from before Maryland adopted the Common Core standards. Where is their standard for balancing a checkbook?

http://mdk12.org/assessments/vsc/

Here are the Virginia Standards of Learning. Where is their standard for balancing a checkbook?

http://www.doe.virginia.gov/testing/sol/standards_docs/mathematics/index.shtml

Requiring word problems in 2nd grade when many children are still learning to read is a problem.

So that standard is a "FAIL" right here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Requiring word problems in 2nd grade when many children are still learning to read is a problem.

So that standard is a "FAIL" right here.

Here are the second-grade literacy standards. Do you think that these fail too? It is unrealistic to expect children to be able to do this by the end of the second grade?

Phonics and Word Recognition:

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3
Know and apply grade-level phonics and word analysis skills in decoding words.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.a
Distinguish long and short vowels when reading regularly spelled one-syllable words.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.b
Know spelling-sound correspondences for additional common vowel teams.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.c
Decode regularly spelled two-syllable words with long vowels.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.d
Decode words with common prefixes and suffixes.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.e
Identify words with inconsistent but common spelling-sound correspondences.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.f
Recognize and read grade-appropriate irregularly spelled words.

Fluency:

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.4
Read with sufficient accuracy and fluency to support comprehension.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.4.a
Read grade-level text with purpose and understanding.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.4.b
Read grade-level text orally with accuracy, appropriate rate, and expression on successive readings.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.4.c
Use context to confirm or self-correct word recognition and understanding, rereading as necessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The standard for money is a second-grade math standard:

CCSS.Math.Content.2.MD.C.8
Solve word problems involving dollar bills, quarters, dimes, nickels, and pennies, using $ and ¢ symbols appropriately. Example: If you have 2 dimes and 3 pennies, how many cents do you have?

Requiring word problems in 2nd grade when many children are still learning to read is a problem.

So that standard is a "FAIL" right here.

Here is a word problem about making change from Singapore Math 2B:

"Hassan bought this pencil sharpener. [Picture of pencil sharpener with a sign that says 45 cents] He gave the cashier $1. How much change did he receive?"

How come children in Singapore were able to do this? Do children develop differently in Singapore?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How about this high school math standard for probability -- is it ridiculous?

CCSS.Math.Content.HSS.CP.A.3
Understand the conditional probability of A given B as P(A and B)/P(B), and interpret independence of A and B as saying that the conditional probability of A given B is the same as the probability of A, and the conditional probability of B given A is the same as the probability of B.

Is there one for making change? Balancing a checkbook?

The standard for money is a second-grade math standard:

CCSS.Math.Content.2.MD.C.8
Solve word problems involving dollar bills, quarters, dimes, nickels, and pennies, using $ and ¢ symbols appropriately. Example: If you have 2 dimes and 3 pennies, how many cents do you have?

Which high school math classes teach balancing a checkbook?

Here are the old PK-8 plus algebra and geometry math standards for Maryland from before Maryland adopted the Common Core standards. Where is their standard for balancing a checkbook?

http://mdk12.org/assessments/vsc/

Here are the Virginia Standards of Learning. Where is their standard for balancing a checkbook?

http://www.doe.virginia.gov/testing/sol/standards_docs/mathematics/index.shtml

Requiring word problems in 2nd grade when many children are still learning to read is a problem.

So that standard is a "FAIL" right here.

I'm new to MCPS. Did MCPS not have any math word problems in 2nd grade prior to 2.0?

I don't know all 2nd graders, but all of the ones I have come across can read a simple math word problem. My 6 yr old can read a simple math word problem: "Mary has 8 pennies. John has 4 pennies. How many more pennies does Mary have than John." This was one of DC's HW problems. How many 2nd graders in the US couldn't read that kind of math word problem? There may be some, but there will always be some kids that can't do xyz on any standard. Doesn't mean we should set the standards to the lowest common denominator. That would just be dumbing down the standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Requiring word problems in 2nd grade when many children are still learning to read is a problem.

So that standard is a "FAIL" right here.

Here are the second-grade literacy standards. Do you think that these fail too? It is unrealistic to expect children to be able to do this by the end of the second grade?

Phonics and Word Recognition:

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3
Know and apply grade-level phonics and word analysis skills in decoding words.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.a
Distinguish long and short vowels when reading regularly spelled one-syllable words.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.b
Know spelling-sound correspondences for additional common vowel teams.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.c
Decode regularly spelled two-syllable words with long vowels.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.d
Decode words with common prefixes and suffixes.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.e
Identify words with inconsistent but common spelling-sound correspondences.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.f
Recognize and read grade-appropriate irregularly spelled words.

Fluency:

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.4
Read with sufficient accuracy and fluency to support comprehension.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.4.a
Read grade-level text with purpose and understanding.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.4.b
Read grade-level text orally with accuracy, appropriate rate, and expression on successive readings.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.4.c
Use context to confirm or self-correct word recognition and understanding, rereading as necessary.

These goals are incredible vague. They aren't measurable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The standard for money is a second-grade math standard:

CCSS.Math.Content.2.MD.C.8
Solve word problems involving dollar bills, quarters, dimes, nickels, and pennies, using $ and ¢ symbols appropriately. Example: If you have 2 dimes and 3 pennies, how many cents do you have?

Requiring word problems in 2nd grade when many children are still learning to read is a problem.

So that standard is a "FAIL" right here.

Here is a word problem about making change from Singapore Math 2B:

"Hassan bought this pencil sharpener. [Picture of pencil sharpener with a sign that says 45 cents] He gave the cashier $1. How much change did he receive?"

How come children in Singapore were able to do this? Do children develop differently in Singapore?

Some of them can. I'm sure not all of them can. That's the problem with the Common Core. It demands everyone be in lock step, which will never work.

[Anonymous]

Frankly, I would rather a kid graduate from high school knowing how to balance a checkbook than to know probability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The standard for money is a second-grade math standard:

CCSS.Math.Content.2.MD.C.8
Solve word problems involving dollar bills, quarters, dimes, nickels, and pennies, using $ and ¢ symbols appropriately. Example: If you have 2 dimes and 3 pennies, how many cents do you have?

Requiring word problems in 2nd grade when many children are still learning to read is a problem.

So that standard is a "FAIL" right here.

Here is a word problem about making change from Singapore Math 2B:

"Hassan bought this pencil sharpener. [Picture of pencil sharpener with a sign that says 45 cents] He gave the cashier $1. How much change did he receive?"

How come children in Singapore were able to do this? Do children develop differently in Singapore?

Some of them can. I'm sure not all of them can. That's the problem with the Common Core. It demands everyone be in lock step, which will never work.

Ah. You are one of the opponents who are opposed to all standards, on principle. Some second-graders will not be able to do [something]; therefore, there should be no standards saying that second-graders should be able to do [something].

Are you also opposed to Virginia's Standards of Learning? Will you also be opposed to the standards that Oklahoma is supposed to come up with, to replace the Common Core standards they rejected?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Frankly, I would rather a kid graduate from high school knowing how to balance a checkbook than to know probability.

There is nothing anywhere in the Common Core standards that says that high schools are not allowed to teach students how to balance a checkbook. And the Common Core standards are only for math and English/language arts, so high schools would certainly have plenty of opportunities to do so, if they chose to.

[Anonymous]

Here are the second-grade literacy standards. Do you think that these fail too? It is unrealistic to expect children to be able to do this by the end of the second grade?

Phonics and Word Recognition:

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3
Know and apply grade-level phonics and word analysis skills in decoding words.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.a
Distinguish long and short vowels when reading regularly spelled one-syllable words.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.b
Know spelling-sound correspondences for additional common vowel teams.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.c
Decode regularly spelled two-syllable words with long vowels.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.d
Decode words with common prefixes and suffixes.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.e
Identify words with inconsistent but common spelling-sound correspondences.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.3.f
Recognize and read grade-appropriate irregularly spelled words.

Fluency:

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.4
Read with sufficient accuracy and fluency to support comprehension.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.4.a
Read grade-level text with purpose and understanding.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.4.b
Read grade-level text orally with accuracy, appropriate rate, and expression on successive readings.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.4.c
Use context to confirm or self-correct word recognition and understanding, rereading as necessary.

Looks like a lot of poorly written standards for what second grade teachers have done for years and years.

[Anonymous]

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RF.2.4.b
Read grade-level text orally with accuracy, appropriate rate, and expression on successive readings.

LOL! Totally subjective. Far from a standard.