Common Core's epic fail: Special Education

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

One of the problems is inconsistent and heterogeneous standards

Why is that a problem? You are assuming it is a problem. No one has proven that it is a problem.

What would constitute proof, for you?

Do you think it's good that what you learn in school and when you learn it depend on the state you live in at the time?

[Anonymous]

Do you think it's good that what you learn in school and when you learn it depend on the state you live in at the time?

I have not seen anything to indicate there was that big a difference. This just covers English and math. I'm pretty sure that all states require pretty much the same thing. Please show me where it was that different.

[Anonymous]

I'd be willing to bet there is a bigger difference between the poorest elementary school in DC and the wealthiest than there is between states.

[Anonymous]

http://cloakinginequity.com/2014/10/21/dewey-testing-companies-and-the-origin-of-the-common-core/

Good summary explaining the input into the writing of the standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Do you think it's good that what you learn in school and when you learn it depend on the state you live in at the time?

I have not seen anything to indicate there was that big a difference. This just covers English and math. I'm pretty sure that all states require pretty much the same thing. Please show me where it was that different.

You're pretty sure that all states require pretty much the same thing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://cloakinginequity.com/2014/10/21/dewey-testing-companies-and-the-origin-of-the-common-core/

Good summary explaining the input into the writing of the standards.

Again, this is process. If the process was so bad, it should be easy to find some bad standards. So could you please find some bad standards?

Is this 8th grade English/language arts standard a bad standard?

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.8.1.e
Provide a concluding statement or section that follows from and supports the argument presented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd be willing to bet there is a bigger difference between the poorest elementary school in DC and the wealthiest than there is between states.

There are many different sources of differences in education. Heterogeneous and inconsistent standards are one source. They are not the only source. Are you saying that the Common Core standards are bad because socioeconomic segregation is a big problem in US schools?

[Anonymous]

Are you saying that the Common Core standards are bad because socioeconomic segregation is a big problem in US schools?

The standards are not the problem. It is the basis from which you start. And, it's not the socioeconomic segregation--it is the socioeconomics that causes the problem. with the emphasis on the socio.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://cloakinginequity.com/2014/10/21/dewey-testing-companies-and-the-origin-of-the-common-core/

Good summary explaining the input into the writing of the standards.

Again, this is process. If the process was so bad, it should be easy to find some bad standards. So could you please find some bad standards?

Is this 8th grade English/language arts standard a bad standard?

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.8.1.e
Provide a concluding statement or section that follows from and supports the argument presented.

^^^Also I don't lie awake at night worrying about what John Dewey might have thought about the Common Core standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Are you saying that the Common Core standards are bad because socioeconomic segregation is a big problem in US schools?

The standards are not the problem. It is the basis from which you start. And, it's not the socioeconomic segregation--it is the socioeconomics that causes the problem. with the emphasis on the socio-

So you're not an opponent of the Common Core standards?

[Anonymous]

I prefer teaching from the bottom up to the top down. I don't agree with everything Dewey thought--he was an idealist. However, at least he worked with kids. Don't think the CC writers do.

[Anonymous]

So you're not an opponent of the Common Core standards?

I think they are awful Laughable. They are not standards and they are not appropriate. Of course, some of them are okay--but many are ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So you're not an opponent of the Common Core standards?

I think they are awful Laughable. They are not standards and they are not appropriate. Of course, some of them are okay--but many are ridiculous.

Could you please provide one or two examples of standards that you think are ridiculous?

How about this high school math standard for probability -- is it ridiculous?

CCSS.Math.Content.HSS.CP.A.3
Understand the conditional probability of A given B as P(A and B)/P(B), and interpret independence of A and B as saying that the conditional probability of A given B is the same as the probability of A, and the conditional probability of B given A is the same as the probability of B.

[Anonymous]

CCSS.Math.Content.HSS.CP.A.3
Understand the conditional probability of A given B as P(A and B)/P(B), and interpret independence of A and B as saying that the conditional probability of A given B is the same as the probability of A, and the conditional probability of B given A is the same as the probability of B.

No clue.

[Anonymous]

How about this high school math standard for probability -- is it ridiculous?

CCSS.Math.Content.HSS.CP.A.3
Understand the conditional probability of A given B as P(A and B)/P(B), and interpret independence of A and B as saying that the conditional probability of A given B is the same as the probability of A, and the conditional probability of B given A is the same as the probability of B.

Is there one for making change? Balancing a checkbook?