Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

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Anonymous wrote:So it seems that Mclean is putting kids by birthdate and not keeping grade in consideration? I'm not looking to debate the merits of this decision just to understand what they actually plan to do with the Aug/Sept kids who are grade below.

We think Arlington is keeping these kids on grade?

No, Arlington has this published:

Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.

I had heard anecdotally that they were going to try to keep kids on grade at Arlington. Anyone else hear that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems that Mclean is putting kids by birthdate and not keeping grade in consideration? I'm not looking to debate the merits of this decision just to understand what they actually plan to do with the Aug/Sept kids who are grade below.

We think Arlington is keeping these kids on grade?

No, Arlington has this published:

Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.

I had heard anecdotally that they were going to try to keep kids on grade at Arlington. Anyone else hear that?

They also said if the kid is best option for that team. Remember they have to also help the trap year players that are older too. So if you kid is stuck in SY, he or she could move to a second team if he/she is not the best option for the TEAM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems that Mclean is putting kids by birthdate and not keeping grade in consideration? I'm not looking to debate the merits of this decision just to understand what they actually plan to do with the Aug/Sept kids who are grade below.

We think Arlington is keeping these kids on grade?

No, Arlington has this published:

Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.

Going to be plenty of moving around at Arlington next year due to this.

Every decently sized club is going to see a shuffle of the deck for sure.

Even at smaller clubs, they will have to really think about how to form teams. For example, the smallish USYS club near me has two 2010 teams and zero 2011. The two 2010 teams are both a mix of 10s and 11s. So what do they do next year? Stay as-is and end up with 2011s potentially playing against 09s? Combine some of the older 10s with their 9s? Etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems that Mclean is putting kids by birthdate and not keeping grade in consideration? I'm not looking to debate the merits of this decision just to understand what they actually plan to do with the Aug/Sept kids who are grade below.

We think Arlington is keeping these kids on grade?

No, Arlington has this published:

Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.

I had heard anecdotally that they were going to try to keep kids on grade at Arlington. Anyone else hear that?

No reason to guess, they litteraly have this on their website. Plus this:

Q: Is registration based on your grade in school?
A: No it is still based on your date of birth to determine the age group you will play. A child held back a year in school, will not be impacted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:my prediction is there will be a lot of exceptions year one, especially for the younger teams. Those teams that have a lot of exceptions will do less well than those clubs that permit fewer exceptions. Then in year two, the clubs will acknowledge that they gave too many exceptions and didn't do as well as they could have, and will give out a lot fewer exceptions. So, a 2-3 year transition process in my mind.

I thought a lot of playing up exceptions also until ECNL and all these clubs started applying pressure to play on age. And around tryouts, parents of Aug-Dec kids will worry about playing time when they see the bigger/older kids shoving if they play up an age group which hurts their chances of furthering their playing careers. The bench is the youngest too often to ignore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:my prediction is there will be a lot of exceptions year one, especially for the younger teams. Those teams that have a lot of exceptions will do less well than those clubs that permit fewer exceptions. Then in year two, the clubs will acknowledge that they gave too many exceptions and didn't do as well as they could have, and will give out a lot fewer exceptions. So, a 2-3 year transition process in my mind.

I thought a lot of playing up exceptions also until ECNL and all these clubs started applying pressure to play on age. And around tryouts, parents of Aug-Dec kids will worry about playing time when they see the bigger/older kids shoving if they play up an age group which hurts their chances of furthering their playing careers. The bench is the youngest too often to ignore.

There will be more exceptions than a normal year, but, as you note, they will mainly be at less competitive clubs (i.e., USYS).

The other thing that seems to go overlooked in these 'play up' discussions is that you also have to be good enough to actually do it. Remember, there will be older players, now playing on age, playing with the former team. Plus outside competition from older players. So there will be downward pressure from across the board to play in your age bracket even if you don't want to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems that Mclean is putting kids by birthdate and not keeping grade in consideration? I'm not looking to debate the merits of this decision just to understand what they actually plan to do with the Aug/Sept kids who are grade below.

We think Arlington is keeping these kids on grade?

No, Arlington has this published:

Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.

I had heard anecdotally that they were going to try to keep kids on grade at Arlington. Anyone else hear that?

Yes thats what I heard as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems that Mclean is putting kids by birthdate and not keeping grade in consideration? I'm not looking to debate the merits of this decision just to understand what they actually plan to do with the Aug/Sept kids who are grade below.

We think Arlington is keeping these kids on grade?

No, Arlington has this published:

Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.

I had heard anecdotally that they were going to try to keep kids on grade at Arlington. Anyone else hear that?

Yes thats what I heard as well.

Keep kids on Grade does not mean keep kids on same team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like Rush understand that if young Aug/Sept birthdays plan to get recruited and play in college that they need to "play up" with their grade. Thats a lot of words to address something that isnt a big deal.

Its like going into a tire shop at the end of summer and the salesperson keeps pushing you to the snow tire section. Sure they'll sell you anything you want but they're also trying to gently hint that with winter coming you would probably want to buy snow tires.

The more parents understand that you cant get recruited for college while playing down a grade the more they'll demand that their kid plays on the correct grade team.

Fomo is just how soccer moms work and because of it they wont want their kid playing down a grade. Unless their kid literally has no chance at playing in college. In that case it doesnt matter. But it will piss off A team parents that are playing the correct grade. Which will eventually out your kid on the B team and playing down.

I love when Delusional August Guy responds to himself. The clubs are telling you what they are going to do. Yet you continue to skip your meds, put your fingers in your ears, act a fool and blabber.

The person you keep going after is 100% correct. You're the only one that doesnt get it. Why would a club play players on a grade lower team? Especially if they want them to play in college. It doesnt make any sense.

It's because they want to put together the best teams, they need to compete with teams that will play everyone on age, they want simple rules to follow, they are following the advice of leagues, they only want the very best kids playing up regardless of grade, they know putting kids a year up puts them at a disadvantage for playing time/positions and the big one is that kids leave teams every year so teams aren't realistically going to keep a kid for more than a few years. Clubs know what they are doing on this one.

What's funny about this person's concern with players playing with kids a grade younger than them is that it is way way way more common right fricking now, under the current system! Every top team I am aware of has kids from multiple grades on it, and no one cares.

But somehow, under the seasonal system, wherein far fewer players will be playing with kids a grade younger than them, it is a major issue worth spending 50 pages on. Plus, we have link after link after link with clubs explicitly saying they are forming teams by age range, not grade, and the dude still won't stop.

You are such a sneaky lier.

Yes there are multiple grades playing in a BY showcase. This is because in BY theres more trapped players than in SY. Also the players that you see in the BY "wrong g" grade are playing up. With SY and young Aug/Sept players they would be playing down. This is a HUGE difference.

Players playing up a grade are recruitable

Players playing down a grade are not recruitable.

It really is this simple.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like Rush understand that if young Aug/Sept birthdays plan to get recruited and play in college that they need to "play up" with their grade. Thats a lot of words to address something that isnt a big deal.

Its like going into a tire shop at the end of summer and the salesperson keeps pushing you to the snow tire section. Sure they'll sell you anything you want but they're also trying to gently hint that with winter coming you would probably want to buy snow tires.

The more parents understand that you cant get recruited for college while playing down a grade the more they'll demand that their kid plays on the correct grade team.

Fomo is just how soccer moms work and because of it they wont want their kid playing down a grade. Unless their kid literally has no chance at playing in college. In that case it doesnt matter. But it will piss off A team parents that are playing the correct grade. Which will eventually out your kid on the B team and playing down.

I love when Delusional August Guy responds to himself. The clubs are telling you what they are going to do. Yet you continue to skip your meds, put your fingers in your ears, act a fool and blabber.

The person you keep going after is 100% correct. You're the only one that doesnt get it. Why would a club play players on a grade lower team? Especially if they want them to play in college. It doesnt make any sense.

It's because they want to put together the best teams, they need to compete with teams that will play everyone on age, they want simple rules to follow, they are following the advice of leagues, they only want the very best kids playing up regardless of grade, they know putting kids a year up puts them at a disadvantage for playing time/positions and the big one is that kids leave teams every year so teams aren't realistically going to keep a kid for more than a few years. Clubs know what they are doing on this one.

What's funny about this person's concern with players playing with kids a grade younger than them is that it is way way way more common right fricking now, under the current system! Every top team I am aware of has kids from multiple grades on it, and no one cares.

But somehow, under the seasonal system, wherein far fewer players will be playing with kids a grade younger than them, it is a major issue worth spending 50 pages on. Plus, we have link after link after link with clubs explicitly saying they are forming teams by age range, not grade, and the dude still won't stop.

You are such a sneaky lier.

Yes there are multiple grades playing in a BY showcase. This is because in BY theres more trapped players than in SY. Also the players that you see in the BY "wrong g" grade are playing up. With SY and young Aug/Sept players they would be playing down. This is a HUGE difference.

Players playing up a grade are recruitable

Players playing down a grade are not recruitable.

It really is this simple.

This will only make sense when all parents realize that not every kid is recruitable. Not every kid is going to play in college. Not every kid is going to play D1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like Rush understand that if young Aug/Sept birthdays plan to get recruited and play in college that they need to "play up" with their grade. Thats a lot of words to address something that isnt a big deal.

Its like going into a tire shop at the end of summer and the salesperson keeps pushing you to the snow tire section. Sure they'll sell you anything you want but they're also trying to gently hint that with winter coming you would probably want to buy snow tires.

The more parents understand that you cant get recruited for college while playing down a grade the more they'll demand that their kid plays on the correct grade team.

Fomo is just how soccer moms work and because of it they wont want their kid playing down a grade. Unless their kid literally has no chance at playing in college. In that case it doesnt matter. But it will piss off A team parents that are playing the correct grade. Which will eventually out your kid on the B team and playing down.

I love when Delusional August Guy responds to himself. The clubs are telling you what they are going to do. Yet you continue to skip your meds, put your fingers in your ears, act a fool and blabber.

The person you keep going after is 100% correct. You're the only one that doesnt get it. Why would a club play players on a grade lower team? Especially if they want them to play in college. It doesnt make any sense.

It's because they want to put together the best teams, they need to compete with teams that will play everyone on age, they want simple rules to follow, they are following the advice of leagues, they only want the very best kids playing up regardless of grade, they know putting kids a year up puts them at a disadvantage for playing time/positions and the big one is that kids leave teams every year so teams aren't realistically going to keep a kid for more than a few years. Clubs know what they are doing on this one.

What's funny about this person's concern with players playing with kids a grade younger than them is that it is way way way more common right fricking now, under the current system! Every top team I am aware of has kids from multiple grades on it, and no one cares.

But somehow, under the seasonal system, wherein far fewer players will be playing with kids a grade younger than them, it is a major issue worth spending 50 pages on. Plus, we have link after link after link with clubs explicitly saying they are forming teams by age range, not grade, and the dude still won't stop.

You are such a sneaky lier.

Yes there are multiple grades playing in a BY showcase. This is because in BY theres more trapped players than in SY. Also the players that you see in the BY "wrong g" grade are playing up. With SY and young Aug/Sept players they would be playing down. This is a HUGE difference.

Players playing up a grade are recruitable

Players playing down a grade are not recruitable.

It really is this simple.

It is the truth. There are way way more players playing down with players a grade younger right now. That is not speculation or a lie. It is the absolute truth. You can pretend that they are actually not playing down, and the other players are playing 'up' but that is just semantics. They are a grade older than the kids they are playing with.

The facts are the facts. In the current system, a ton of players are playing with kids in different grades. Even in showcases. And no one cares. It is fine. In the new Seasonal system, far fewer players will be playing with kids in a different grade. Even in showcases. And no one will care. It will be fine.

Also, if you're gonna call me a 'lier', at least spell it right. Or not, it is one of your cute personality quirks DAG.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like Rush understand that if young Aug/Sept birthdays plan to get recruited and play in college that they need to "play up" with their grade. Thats a lot of words to address something that isnt a big deal.

Its like going into a tire shop at the end of summer and the salesperson keeps pushing you to the snow tire section. Sure they'll sell you anything you want but they're also trying to gently hint that with winter coming you would probably want to buy snow tires.

The more parents understand that you cant get recruited for college while playing down a grade the more they'll demand that their kid plays on the correct grade team.

Fomo is just how soccer moms work and because of it they wont want their kid playing down a grade. Unless their kid literally has no chance at playing in college. In that case it doesnt matter. But it will piss off A team parents that are playing the correct grade. Which will eventually out your kid on the B team and playing down.

I love when Delusional August Guy responds to himself. The clubs are telling you what they are going to do. Yet you continue to skip your meds, put your fingers in your ears, act a fool and blabber.

The person you keep going after is 100% correct. You're the only one that doesnt get it. Why would a club play players on a grade lower team? Especially if they want them to play in college. It doesnt make any sense.

It's because they want to put together the best teams, they need to compete with teams that will play everyone on age, they want simple rules to follow, they are following the advice of leagues, they only want the very best kids playing up regardless of grade, they know putting kids a year up puts them at a disadvantage for playing time/positions and the big one is that kids leave teams every year so teams aren't realistically going to keep a kid for more than a few years. Clubs know what they are doing on this one.

What's funny about this person's concern with players playing with kids a grade younger than them is that it is way way way more common right fricking now, under the current system! Every top team I am aware of has kids from multiple grades on it, and no one cares.

But somehow, under the seasonal system, wherein far fewer players will be playing with kids a grade younger than them, it is a major issue worth spending 50 pages on. Plus, we have link after link after link with clubs explicitly saying they are forming teams by age range, not grade, and the dude still won't stop.

You are such a sneaky lier.

Yes there are multiple grades playing in a BY showcase. This is because in BY theres more trapped players than in SY. Also the players that you see in the BY "wrong g" grade are playing up. With SY and young Aug/Sept players they would be playing down. This is a HUGE difference.

Players playing up a grade are recruitable

Players playing down a grade are not recruitable.

It really is this simple.

Please stop. Let parents and clubs worry about individual situations. You don’t get an opinion about other people’s kids.

Crazy parents may make a kid unrecruitable. Playing in the correct age group does not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like Rush understand that if young Aug/Sept birthdays plan to get recruited and play in college that they need to "play up" with their grade. Thats a lot of words to address something that isnt a big deal.

Its like going into a tire shop at the end of summer and the salesperson keeps pushing you to the snow tire section. Sure they'll sell you anything you want but they're also trying to gently hint that with winter coming you would probably want to buy snow tires.

The more parents understand that you cant get recruited for college while playing down a grade the more they'll demand that their kid plays on the correct grade team.

Fomo is just how soccer moms work and because of it they wont want their kid playing down a grade. Unless their kid literally has no chance at playing in college. In that case it doesnt matter. But it will piss off A team parents that are playing the correct grade. Which will eventually out your kid on the B team and playing down.

I love when Delusional August Guy responds to himself. The clubs are telling you what they are going to do. Yet you continue to skip your meds, put your fingers in your ears, act a fool and blabber.

The person you keep going after is 100% correct. You're the only one that doesnt get it. Why would a club play players on a grade lower team? Especially if they want them to play in college. It doesnt make any sense.

It's because they want to put together the best teams, they need to compete with teams that will play everyone on age, they want simple rules to follow, they are following the advice of leagues, they only want the very best kids playing up regardless of grade, they know putting kids a year up puts them at a disadvantage for playing time/positions and the big one is that kids leave teams every year so teams aren't realistically going to keep a kid for more than a few years. Clubs know what they are doing on this one.

What's funny about this person's concern with players playing with kids a grade younger than them is that it is way way way more common right fricking now, under the current system! Every top team I am aware of has kids from multiple grades on it, and no one cares.

But somehow, under the seasonal system, wherein far fewer players will be playing with kids a grade younger than them, it is a major issue worth spending 50 pages on. Plus, we have link after link after link with clubs explicitly saying they are forming teams by age range, not grade, and the dude still won't stop.

You are such a sneaky lier.

Yes there are multiple grades playing in a BY showcase. This is because in BY theres more trapped players than in SY. Also the players that you see in the BY "wrong g" grade are playing up. With SY and young Aug/Sept players they would be playing down. This is a HUGE difference.

Players playing up a grade are recruitable

Players playing down a grade are not recruitable.

It really is this simple.

This will only make sense when all parents realize that not every kid is recruitable. Not every kid is going to play in college. Not every kid is going to play D1

How many parents you know will want their kid grouped into a situation that more likely wont get recruited for playing in college.

All because the club values short term wins over long term development?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like Rush understand that if young Aug/Sept birthdays plan to get recruited and play in college that they need to "play up" with their grade. Thats a lot of words to address something that isnt a big deal.

Its like going into a tire shop at the end of summer and the salesperson keeps pushing you to the snow tire section. Sure they'll sell you anything you want but they're also trying to gently hint that with winter coming you would probably want to buy snow tires.

The more parents understand that you cant get recruited for college while playing down a grade the more they'll demand that their kid plays on the correct grade team.

Fomo is just how soccer moms work and because of it they wont want their kid playing down a grade. Unless their kid literally has no chance at playing in college. In that case it doesnt matter. But it will piss off A team parents that are playing the correct grade. Which will eventually out your kid on the B team and playing down.

I love when Delusional August Guy responds to himself. The clubs are telling you what they are going to do. Yet you continue to skip your meds, put your fingers in your ears, act a fool and blabber.

The person you keep going after is 100% correct. You're the only one that doesnt get it. Why would a club play players on a grade lower team? Especially if they want them to play in college. It doesnt make any sense.

It's because they want to put together the best teams, they need to compete with teams that will play everyone on age, they want simple rules to follow, they are following the advice of leagues, they only want the very best kids playing up regardless of grade, they know putting kids a year up puts them at a disadvantage for playing time/positions and the big one is that kids leave teams every year so teams aren't realistically going to keep a kid for more than a few years. Clubs know what they are doing on this one.

What's funny about this person's concern with players playing with kids a grade younger than them is that it is way way way more common right fricking now, under the current system! Every top team I am aware of has kids from multiple grades on it, and no one cares.

But somehow, under the seasonal system, wherein far fewer players will be playing with kids a grade younger than them, it is a major issue worth spending 50 pages on. Plus, we have link after link after link with clubs explicitly saying they are forming teams by age range, not grade, and the dude still won't stop.

You are such a sneaky lier.

Yes there are multiple grades playing in a BY showcase. This is because in BY theres more trapped players than in SY. Also the players that you see in the BY "wrong g" grade are playing up. With SY and young Aug/Sept players they would be playing down. This is a HUGE difference.

Players playing up a grade are recruitable

Players playing down a grade are not recruitable.

It really is this simple.

This will only make sense when all parents realize that not every kid is recruitable. Not every kid is going to play in college. Not every kid is going to play D1

How many parents you know will want their kid grouped into a situation that more likely wont get recruited for playing in college.

All because the club values short term wins over long term development?

Your kid's development is your responsibility
Why would you sit them at a club doing nothing for them?

[Anonymous]

If your kid is a D1 potential quality player, none of this matters

This is for folks trying to make a turtle win the Kentucky Derby