Harvard tell Trump to pound sand

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the case, the bottom line is there is no role for the federal government.

$9 billion dollars says otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:From Trump’s Truth Social this morning:

Why isn’t Harvard saying that almost 31% of their students are from FOREIGN LANDS, and yet those countries, some not at all friendly to the United States, pay NOTHING toward their student’s education, nor do they ever intend to. Nobody told us that! We want to know who those foreign students are, a reasonable request since we give Harvard BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, but Harvard isn’t exactly forthcoming. We want those names and countries. Harvard has $52,000,000, use it, and stop asking for the Federal Government to continue GRANTING money to you!

Why does it matter who those students are? In fact, you already know who they are, they have student visas. Go find out. And if, by saying Harvard has $52,000,000 he’s referring to their endowment, he’s off by three orders of magnitude. It $52 billion. Finally, the government doesn’t grant money to Harvard, they pay Harvard for research, which hopefully benefits society and the world.

What a dope.

In the meantime, Harvard is offering free classes in an effort to educate the ignorant masses. They are definitely the good guys here.

https://pll.harvard.edu/subject/government?page=0&fbclid=IwQ0xDSwKfWk9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHmqgNjV8WVZMmYsO1RluR2ugUGPsBPgnwwCtmU94o0mxyR98XhtXgpN4PDCe_aem_hE_JnMDqcMlZkGXylrfyyw&utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

Apparently they need to offer a primer on university finances.

Do they? They seem to be doing fine.

Free to the clueless public.

Misinformation--like Trump implying that foreign students attend for free--is tough to fight.

I don't care if they pay their own way or not. We don't need to import agitators and educate them.

So you want to send 1,100,000 tuition-paying students away because a handful broke a few rules?

I think you need to re-evaluate the priorities in your life.

You put words in my mouth. I was referring to the agitators.

The universities handle the discipline of the "agitators," just like students committing whatever other sort of infraction.

The campus protests would not have been meaningfully different without foreign students.

The federal government *definitely* has better ways to be spending our taxpayer-supported resources.

Just because Trump is annoyed because some schools rejected his child is not sane justification for all this ridiculous drama.

That is precisely the issue: Harvard failed to discipline the violent and bullying antisemitic behavior exhibited by some students and faculty.

They even acknowledged this in a study they published a few months ago.

If this violation of civil rights were occurring against Black individuals on campus, there would be widespread support for withholding funding and visas.

It's justified to invest in demonstrating that the U.S. will not tolerate such behavior, and it's appropriate to withhold billions of dollars in grants.

Trump is so concerned about anti- semitism that he gave this guy a full pardon:

Wearing a Tshirt is totally the same thing as allowing pro-hamas violence against Jewish students.

I mean not exactly the same but definitely related.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the case, the bottom line is there is no role for the federal government.

$9 billion dollars says otherwise.

The US gets a lot out of those $9 billion. the USG engaging in a financial transaction with a private institution (or even a state) does not give it total control over it. And of course even if it did, the first amendment still exists.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the case, the bottom line is there is no role for the federal government.

$9 billion dollars says otherwise.

The US gets a lot out of those $9 billion. the USG engaging in a financial transaction with a private institution (or even a state) does not give it total control over it. And of course even if it did, the first amendment still exists6.

The first amendment does not include the freedom to do what those students did.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the case, the bottom line is there is no role for the federal government.

$9 billion dollars says otherwise.

+1 can be used in other ways

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Anonymous wrote:From Trump’s Truth Social this morning:

Why isn’t Harvard saying that almost 31% of their students are from FOREIGN LANDS, and yet those countries, some not at all friendly to the United States, pay NOTHING toward their student’s education, nor do they ever intend to. Nobody told us that! We want to know who those foreign students are, a reasonable request since we give Harvard BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, but Harvard isn’t exactly forthcoming. We want those names and countries. Harvard has $52,000,000, use it, and stop asking for the Federal Government to continue GRANTING money to you!

Why does it matter who those students are? In fact, you already know who they are, they have student visas. Go find out. And if, by saying Harvard has $52,000,000 he’s referring to their endowment, he’s off by three orders of magnitude. It $52 billion. Finally, the government doesn’t grant money to Harvard, they pay Harvard for research, which hopefully benefits society and the world.

What a dope.

In the meantime, Harvard is offering free classes in an effort to educate the ignorant masses. They are definitely the good guys here.

https://pll.harvard.edu/subject/government?page=0&fbclid=IwQ0xDSwKfWk9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHmqgNjV8WVZMmYsO1RluR2ugUGPsBPgnwwCtmU94o0mxyR98XhtXgpN4PDCe_aem_hE_JnMDqcMlZkGXylrfyyw&utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

Apparently they need to offer a primer on university finances.

Do they? They seem to be doing fine.

Free to the clueless public.

Misinformation--like Trump implying that foreign students attend for free--is tough to fight.

I don't care if they pay their own way or not. We don't need to import agitators and educate them.

So you want to send 1,100,000 tuition-paying students away because a handful broke a few rules?

I think you need to re-evaluate the priorities in your life.

I want to deport the handful (which is more than that) but the university is afanot assisting in that.

Not assisting because they haven't let Trump handle it? It's not his job. They have taken steps to address these things on their own.

Their steps are laughably ineffective. However, that is by design.

??? Facts show that their steps have been effective.

They were baby steps and taken only under pressure after waiting way too long before they did anything.

So tell me again about the problematic incidents that have occurred in the past year. I'm all ears.

Try reading the news.

Np. You are making the claim that since the events of last year's protests, that this school year has also been rude with problematic incidents. I think it's up to you to prove it.

I made no such claim. I said Harvard responded too slowly and only with pressure.

I disagree, but that's irrelevant here. And if you are conceding that there have been no further incidents then what they did was effective. So what Trump is doing to Harvard is now nothing more than a p!ssing match that has nothing to do with antisemitism.

Your take is interesting to me. I don't think consequences have to be immediate.

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Anonymous wrote:From Trump’s Truth Social this morning:

Why isn’t Harvard saying that almost 31% of their students are from FOREIGN LANDS, and yet those countries, some not at all friendly to the United States, pay NOTHING toward their student’s education, nor do they ever intend to. Nobody told us that! We want to know who those foreign students are, a reasonable request since we give Harvard BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, but Harvard isn’t exactly forthcoming. We want those names and countries. Harvard has $52,000,000, use it, and stop asking for the Federal Government to continue GRANTING money to you!

Why does it matter who those students are? In fact, you already know who they are, they have student visas. Go find out. And if, by saying Harvard has $52,000,000 he’s referring to their endowment, he’s off by three orders of magnitude. It $52 billion. Finally, the government doesn’t grant money to Harvard, they pay Harvard for research, which hopefully benefits society and the world.

What a dope.

In the meantime, Harvard is offering free classes in an effort to educate the ignorant masses. They are definitely the good guys here.

https://pll.harvard.edu/subject/government?page=0&fbclid=IwQ0xDSwKfWk9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHmqgNjV8WVZMmYsO1RluR2ugUGPsBPgnwwCtmU94o0mxyR98XhtXgpN4PDCe_aem_hE_JnMDqcMlZkGXylrfyyw&utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

Apparently they need to offer a primer on university finances.

Do they? They seem to be doing fine.

Free to the clueless public.

Misinformation--like Trump implying that foreign students attend for free--is tough to fight.

I don't care if they pay their own way or not. We don't need to import agitators and educate them.

So you want to send 1,100,000 tuition-paying students away because a handful broke a few rules?

I think you need to re-evaluate the priorities in your life.

I want to deport the handful (which is more than that) but the university is afanot assisting in that.

Not assisting because they haven't let Trump handle it? It's not his job. They have taken steps to address these things on their own.

Their steps are laughably ineffective. However, that is by design.

??? Facts show that their steps have been effective.

They were baby steps and taken only under pressure after waiting way too long before they did anything.

So tell me again about the problematic incidents that have occurred in the past year. I'm all ears.

Try reading the news.

Np. You are making the claim that since the events of last year's protests, that this school year has also been rude with problematic incidents. I think it's up to you to prove it.

I made no such claim. I said Harvard responded too slowly and only with pressure.

I disagree, but that's irrelevant here. And if you are conceding that there have been no further incidents then what they did was effective. So what Trump is doing to Harvard is now nothing more than a p!ssing match that has nothing to do with antisemitism.

Your take is interesting to me. I don't think consequences have to be immediate.

Should the consequences be far outsized to the total of the offenses?

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the case, the bottom line is there is no role for the federal government.

$9 billion dollars says otherwise.

Cancelling contracts is not the legal way to remedy the issue. These are contracts that professors and researchers won in open competition that the Federal Government is reneging on. It isn't like the federal government is just gifting that money to Harvard for nothing in return. So, no, not otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the case, the bottom line is there is no role for the federal government.

$9 billion dollars says otherwise.

The US gets a lot out of those $9 billion. the USG engaging in a financial transaction with a private institution (or even a state) does not give it total control over it. And of course even if it did, the first amendment still exists6.

The first amendment does not include the freedom to do what those students did.

Then that is between law enforcement and those students.

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And now it’s even more stupid. Now he says he’s giving harvards 3 billion for biomedical research to trade schools ..,,wtf?
This is so embarrassing for Barron.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the case, the bottom line is there is no role for the federal government.

$9 billion dollars says otherwise.

+1 can be used in other ways

That money was openly bid for specific research. canceling the contracts and grants mid stream has caused more harm and cost more money than what was being expended, not to mention the impact on cancer, alzeheimers and other research that was trashed as a result.

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Anonymous wrote:And now it’s even more stupid. Now he says he’s giving harvards 3 billion for biomedical research to trade schools ..,,wtf?
This is so embarrassing for Barron.

Trade schools are important, but why not simply allow the department of education do its job and spread the congressionally approved money for trade schools the way the law was written and funded?

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2.4% of the US is Jewish.

10% of students at Harvard are Jewish.

As many as 25% of professors at Harvard are Jewish.

I think Harvard has a strong Jewish community, and they are up to the task of working out their own culture wars internally.

Ripping research grants away from scientists--including Jews--and evicting foreign students--including Jews--does not seem conducive to anything productive.

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Anonymous wrote:Please specify what the “antisemitic” events were that occurred at Harvard.

If you keep lying about it will not become a truth.

The gross thing is that you wish we were “antisemitic” so you can keep crying wolf BUT we are not. We care about ending the genocide in Palestine. That is not being anti-Jewish.

You can keep asking this until you’re blue in the face, but you won’t get a response. I’ve tried several times.

DP.

Antisemitic events at Harvard (all links to Harvard Crimson):

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/2/20/harvard-antisemitic-image-apology/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/4/3/kestenbaum-harvard-trump-funding-jews-discrimination/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/4/30/task-force-reports/

Thanks for the links.

The things described in that editorial are wrong. In some cases, consequences happened -- eg, an employee was fired. In others, something should have been done more or sooner.

BUT, despite the editorial being recent, all of the incidents cited are more than a year old. That would indicate that Harvard has righted the disciplinary ship, because the underlying issue has not eased up at all.

Both Kestenbaum (the editorial writer) and a couple of posters above are wrong: Garber cannot "he can simply dip into its $53 billion endowment to fund the research." Endowments are not just big slush funds able to be spent when and how a university president wants. They are under a gazillion different restrictions depending on what strings were attached to donations.

Destroying the university is wrong over a more-or-less solved problem is insanity. Kestenbaum is justifiably angry over inappropriate behavior against Jews by a few perpetrators. Note though that while these incidents should never have happened, they were hardly widespread when you consider a community of more than 50,000 over a year and a half. Trump is angry, and who knows why.

They both want retribution, and the sort of jolting, destructive retribution they want is out of line and inappropriate to the situation. Oddly, both the antisemitic incidents and Trump's quest are both manifestations of the out-of-control follow-on to cancel culture -- the "your side is wrong so you need to be destroyed" craziness that is also lies at the heart of the Israeli-Gazan conflict.

Harvard won't be destroyed for touching their funds.

It's nonsense to spout that. They are NOT ENTITLED to tax payer monies.

Your centers of power are being put on notice. Don't like it, too bad.

DP. Look, I’m no fan of much of what happens at elite universities, but on balance they do FAR more good than harm to America.

Reform, not destruction, is the correct course of action here.

What good has come from these elite universities? I’ve asked several times, what benefits they have bestowed upon the average American, but so far no one has been able to give one proof point.

Second, Trump did ask for reform and Harvard said drop dead. And they are welcome to take that stance, but they are not welcomed to taxpayers money.

PP here. I’ve linked to this article several times in this thread, but here’s a partial list from a professor who’s quite critical of Harvard.

“ Why does this matter? For all its foibles, Harvard (together with other universities) has made the world a better place, significantly so. Fifty-two faculty members have won Nobel Prizes, and more than 5,800 patents are held by Harvard. Its researchers invented baking powder, the first organ transplant, the programmable computer, the defibrillator, the syphilis test and oral rehydration therapy (a cheap treatment that has saved tens of millions of lives). They developed the theory of nuclear stability that has saved the world from Armageddon. They invented the golf tee and the catcher’s mask. Harvard spawned “Sesame Street,” The National Lampoon, “The Simpsons,” Microsoft and Facebook.

Ongoing research at Harvard includes methane-tracking satellites, robotic catheters, next-generation batteries and wearable robotics for stroke victims. Federal grants are supporting research on metastasis, tumor suppression, radiation and chemotherapy in children, multidrug-resistant infections, pandemic prevention, dementia, anesthesia, toxin reduction in firefighting and the military, the physiological effects of spaceflight and battlefield wound care. Harvard’s technologists are pushing innovations in quantum computing, A.I., nanomaterials, biomechanics, foldable bridges for the military, hack-resistant computer networks and smart living environments for the elderly. One lab has developed what may be a cure for Type 1 diabetes.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/23/opinion/harvard-university-trump-administration.html?unlocked_article_code=1.JU8.4-Kl.FZoUTr6KXxe9&smid=url-share

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the case, the bottom line is there is no role for the federal government.

$9 billion dollars says otherwise.

Cancelling contracts is not the legal way to remedy the issue. These are contracts that professors and researchers won in open competition that the Federal Government is reneging on. It isn't like the federal government is just gifting that money to Harvard for nothing in return. So, no, not otherwise.

That's what people don't understand. The government is in breach of contract, and in the end the government (tax payers) will be required specific performance with any any additional incidental damages. The problem is that the judicial system creeps at a snail's pace and that is why the government (state, federal, local) can string a complainant along for years draining the complainant's finances. In this case, the feds are doing a good job in preventing the complainant, Harvard, from their funds by cutting their economic streams of income.