Valor

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Anonymous wrote:If I were Steve, I would stick with GFR after seeing all these issues.

And still no coaches for girls out.

I wonder if registration is low and they dont want to hire coaches if they dont have a team to give them.

they just fillback by recruiting from their rec leagues

Oh good grief! What a disaster train wreck this is. When you have to rely on the butterfly chasing rec players to fill in your travel teams so you can hold on to a few bucks. Why would anyone still join Valor knowing that it is filled with rec players?

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Because location-wise it works. And my kid has friends on the team. And we like the parents. And my kid (top team) isn't going to play in college -- heck, maybe not even HS with the competition here. And that's ok bc the sucky coaches are still better than our last Rec Dad coach. And paying even $3k isn't going to change our lifestyle compared with a less expensive travel team.

Appreciate all the dire warnings. Sometimes though, the devil you know...

I honestly think this is the type of kid/family valor is good for. A friendly club where the kids are playing soccer while making friends and great memories. At the end of the day that is what a lot of parents are looking for.
I agree with you location wise it is great. I think the issue arises when your kid is actually competitive and wants to get better.
I don't think valor can and could possible cater to children like those. That is when you see kids moving out to other clubs in the area.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I were Steve, I would stick with GFR after seeing all these issues.

And still no coaches for girls out.

I wonder if registration is low and they dont want to hire coaches if they dont have a team to give them.

they just fillback by recruiting from their rec leagues

Seems to be reflective every year for them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I were Steve, I would stick with GFR after seeing all these issues.

And still no coaches for girls out.

I wonder if registration is low and they dont want to hire coaches if they dont have a team to give them.

they just fillback by recruiting from their rec leagues

Oh good grief! What a disaster train wreck this is. When you have to rely on the butterfly chasing rec players to fill in your travel teams so you can hold on to a few bucks. Why would anyone still join Valor knowing that it is filled with rec players?

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Because location-wise it works. And my kid has friends on the team. And we like the parents. And my kid (top team) isn't going to play in college -- heck, maybe not even HS with the competition here. And that's ok bc the sucky coaches are still better than our last Rec Dad coach. And paying even $3k isn't going to change our lifestyle compared with a less expensive travel team.

Appreciate all the dire warnings. Sometimes though, the devil you know...

I honestly think this is the type of kid/family valor is good for. A friendly club where the kids are playing soccer while making friends and great memories. At the end of the day that is what a lot of parents are looking for.
I agree with you location wise it is great. I think the issue arises when your kid is actually competitive and wants to get better.
I don't think valor can and could possible cater to children like those. That is when you see kids moving out to other clubs in the area.

If this was the case then there wouldn't be so many disgruntled low team families

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I were Steve, I would stick with GFR after seeing all these issues.

And still no coaches for girls out.

I wonder if registration is low and they dont want to hire coaches if they dont have a team to give them.

they just fillback by recruiting from their rec leagues

Oh good grief! What a disaster train wreck this is. When you have to rely on the butterfly chasing rec players to fill in your travel teams so you can hold on to a few bucks. Why would anyone still join Valor knowing that it is filled with rec players?

''

Because location-wise it works. And my kid has friends on the team. And we like the parents. And my kid (top team) isn't going to play in college -- heck, maybe not even HS with the competition here. And that's ok bc the sucky coaches are still better than our last Rec Dad coach. And paying even $3k isn't going to change our lifestyle compared with a less expensive travel team.

Appreciate all the dire warnings. Sometimes though, the devil you know...

I honestly think this is the type of kid/family valor is good for. A friendly club where the kids are playing soccer while making friends and great memories. At the end of the day that is what a lot of parents are looking for.
I agree with you location wise it is great. I think the issue arises when your kid is actually competitive and wants to get better.
I don't think valor can and could possible cater to children like those. That is when you see kids moving out to other clubs in the area.

Valor only wants to cater to committed paying customers/parents regardless of the players skill set or performance improvement.

[Anonymous]

If kids were having fun and making great memories on the 3, 4 5th teams, those teams wouldn't have 90% turnover every season.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard DS didn’t leave on good terms from VRSC?

I heard he quit but never heard why. But having had a kid who was there for 1 year, I can easily imagine why…

I'm suspicious when these soccer guys bounce around so much and leave places so quickly.

Yes, one bad fit and quick move is normal. Over and over again = the problem is you.

This can be said about players and families that bounce around, too.

I agree, however if your kid is now with another club, specifically a level 1-2 team (equal division) vs 3,4,5 lower-level team then the initial club got it wrong. It's important to understand your peer or level of performance.

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Anonymous wrote:If kids were having fun and making great memories on the 3, 4 5th teams, those teams wouldn't have 90% turnover every season.

100% agree. On brand for Valor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I were Steve, I would stick with GFR after seeing all these issues.

And still no coaches for girls out.

I wonder if registration is low and they dont want to hire coaches if they dont have a team to give them.

they just fillback by recruiting from their rec leagues

Oh good grief! What a disaster train wreck this is. When you have to rely on the butterfly chasing rec players to fill in your travel teams so you can hold on to a few bucks. Why would anyone still join Valor knowing that it is filled with rec players?

''

Because location-wise it works. And my kid has friends on the team. And we like the parents. And my kid (top team) isn't going to play in college -- heck, maybe not even HS with the competition here. And that's ok bc the sucky coaches are still better than our last Rec Dad coach. And paying even $3k isn't going to change our lifestyle compared with a less expensive travel team.

Appreciate all the dire warnings. Sometimes though, the devil you know...

I honestly think this is the type of kid/family valor is good for. A friendly club where the kids are playing soccer while making friends and great memories. At the end of the day that is what a lot of parents are looking for.
I agree with you location wise it is great. I think the issue arises when your kid is actually competitive and wants to get better.
I don't think valor can and could possible cater to children like those. That is when you see kids moving out to other clubs in the area.

If this was the case then there wouldn't be so many disgruntled low team families

I think they are so disgruntled because they don't have the outlook the parent above has.

Valor isn't a competitive club. They aren't going to develop your child the way many want to be. But for fun i think it is great for the kids that aren't looking for more.

More than rec....less than a competitive club.

[Anonymous]

Valor is a local community club. Nothing more and nothing less. And while many might bash it for not being competitive the parents that stay seem to be ok with that.

There is obviously a market for it.

I agree with comment about it being more than rec. That is exactly what it is with a higher sticker price which parents are obviously ok paying.

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Anonymous wrote:At the start, the tryouts are managed poorly. It is just a bunch of scrimmages. Kids playing 5v5 with the coaches observing. No cone or speed drills. On that, 90% of the kids from the previous season are going to stay on the same teams unless there is an open spot.

-First, communication is poor.
-Parents do not get a voice.

Fourth and fifth teams here are all complete money grabs IMO. Most are recreational players at best with very few (one to two good players).

If kids move up, it is a nebulas decision done in a vacuum with no real content added or value given. No performance-based assessments. Just nebulas comments that do not provide any quantifiable value.

-On fair competition or play, they do not rotate players within the team and have little equity in movement. If the coach wants to pigeon hole your kid, good luck in discussing any other options.

-There is lots of nepotism for other players and those parents still happy to pay the bill even though their kids are not truly a 1st, 2nd or 3rd team performer. I would challenge this institution to execute some form of a detailed assessment, but I think they are afraid of what might come to bare (who is good and who is not).

If your kids committed to soccer, I would strongly consider other institutions first before this one or train them yourself. I would ask to observe a few practices and even watch some games before hand to determine if the level of play or training given fits your expectation.

-Do forget to ask about what their win rate percentage is. To say this does not matter is pure BS. This number will give you some insight into how well the team is performing.

Arguably, Valor will take anyone with a heartbeat to fulfill a team roster of 12 to create fourth and fifth teams (kids with no left foot, still baby kicking balls, weak passing and chasing butterflies. No set standards.

The organization could do a lot more and certainly make some equitable changes, but I would not hold your breath

All, what are your thoughts on 4th and 5th level teams or even 3rd?? In my mind, going up to the next age group, wouldn't Valor just fill the first top level team with their players from level 2, so on and so forth?

As a result, the third team would just be in the lowest division or bracket and every other team following that filled with rec players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Valor is a local community club. Nothing more and nothing less. And while many might bash it for not being competitive the parents that stay seem to be ok with that.

There is obviously a market for it.

I agree with comment about it being more than rec. That is exactly what it is with a higher sticker price which parents are obviously ok paying.

It's possible 1, 2 and some of the level 3 team parents are ok with allocating those resources. Roughly the same kids and same team level. Not much movement. This is more due to ensuring they keep the same customer base.
-If valor wants to maintain a low degree of competitiveness, then they are well on their way to achieving that. All the other clubs with just sweep them up are they are truly disciplined high performing players.

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Just curios, where can I find standings for every team per club in their division and age group?

How well they are performing? TIA

[Anonymous]

Different teams play in different leagues. You can look all their lower and midlevel teams up
On the NCSL website. The youngest teams
don't have scores published though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I were Steve, I would stick with GFR after seeing all these issues.

And still no coaches for girls out.

I wonder if registration is low and they dont want to hire coaches if they dont have a team to give them.

they just fillback by recruiting from their rec leagues

Oh good grief! What a disaster train wreck this is. When you have to rely on the butterfly chasing rec players to fill in your travel teams so you can hold on to a few bucks. Why would anyone still join Valor knowing that it is filled with rec players?

100% True. Their level 1, 2 and level 3 players are good, but they still have 10-20% floating in there that are slightly better than a rec player.

Exactly! They fill in their teams with rec players from SYA and CYA. Everyone knows that any SYA/CYA player are guaranteed a spot on Valor. It’s no big secret. And Valor is almost entirely made up of kids from one of those 2 programs. Look at any all star rec results (Herndon cup, FPYC, etc. ) and you’ll see those 2 programs don’t win much. That’s why Valor stinks. Look at Arlington and Loudoun. Huge rec programs that are run well explains why Arlington and Loudoun then also dominate travel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I were Steve, I would stick with GFR after seeing all these issues.

And still no coaches for girls out.

I wonder if registration is low and they dont want to hire coaches if they dont have a team to give them.

they just fillback by recruiting from their rec leagues

Oh good grief! What a disaster train wreck this is. When you have to rely on the butterfly chasing rec players to fill in your travel teams so you can hold on to a few bucks. Why would anyone still join Valor knowing that it is filled with rec players?

100% True. Their level 1, 2 and level 3 players are good, but they still have 10-20% floating in there that are slightly better than a rec player.

Exactly! They fill in their teams with rec players from SYA and CYA. Everyone knows that any SYA/CYA player are guaranteed a spot on Valor. It’s no big secret. And Valor is almost entirely made up of kids from one of those 2 programs. Look at any all star rec results (Herndon cup, FPYC, etc. ) and you’ll see those 2 programs don’t win much. That’s why Valor stinks. Look at Arlington and Loudoun. Huge rec programs that are run well explains why Arlington and Loudoun then also dominate travel.

Comparing two clubs that pull from entire counties doesn’t exactly seem like a fair comparison. How does Valor compare to a GFR or a Vienna? Those seem more comparable.