Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Could you imagine the US attorney general or NSC director being the guest of honor duiny a Klan rally March inside black neighborhoods in Washington DC with loudspeakers? That’s what Ben Gvir did last spring.

Ben Gvir was Marching in Palestinian Territories in the West Bank (the name Palestinian territory being needed as a submarker as there is now Israeli territory in the West Bank) screaming death to Arabs last spring .

This is an extreme spitting in the face of the people who already lost much land and security in the small parcels of land they had left .

You can’t cry when the hail hits you back

Ben Gvir is a disgrace although I don’t agree with your analogy.

And nice justification for gang rape and murder, you sicko.

You are the ones justifying murder.

Gang rape was long debunked by Max Blumenthal, Jewish. The December New York Times story “Screams without Words” was debunked.

You can read more about it here

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/01/10/questions-nyt-hamas-rape-report/amp/

The UN states that rape allegations are credible but I doubt you would believe them unless you personally witnessed it. Who knows maybe you were actually there?

The U.N. envoy focusing on sexual violence in conflict, Pramila Patten, said Monday there were “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape, “sexualized torture,” and other cruel and inhuman treatment of women during the attack.

Now the UN is credible to you ? I thought Israel calls them anti Semitic and wanting to threaten funding ? They were brow beaten into making that statement that they have “reasonable grounds” to believe rape occurred without going into detail.

The UN has realized that anti-semitism is so endemic that most Hamas supporters internationally could care less about some pesky Jews being brutally raped. It’s just fun and games to their left wing base.

Please stop trying to justify Israel's genocide in Gaza with your faux cries of antisemitism. The hypocrisy and dishonesty are nauseating.

This is what is bothering me. This isn’t a situation where one side is innocent and the other is evil. There is history and nuance and just a too many victims on both sides. There is no resolution without this realization and people being willing to understand the other’s experience. Unfortunately, Biden (and likely Trump) view that the U.S. should stand with Israel in all situations is too simplistic to get to a lasting peace in the region.

Meanwhile, every mother, father, sibling Israel kills in Gaza is leaving behind a Palestinian that will hate them.

DP.

100% agree with the bolded.

Disagree with the rest.

1. There's literally nothing the US can do to facilitate "lasting peace in the region". The two sides here have irreconcilable differences, and both prefer conflict over compromise.

2. Many/most Palestinians hated Israel before this round of conflict. The increase in hatred is marginal.

Then the only thing left to do is to sell everything and divide the family assets in half. Nobody keeps the house.

Like all divorces, devil is in the details.

Palestinians won't take responsibility for f***ing up by rejecting the original partition, and even the most "moderate" want the '47 or '67 borders.

Israel won't give back what it has taken through military conquest and settlement.

I don't really care what either of them want. If it's irreconcilable then nobody gets the land.

Kinda unrealistic. Israel has the land and has nuclear weapons.

In reality, if it's irreconcilable, then Israel will simply keep the land.

No one can/will forcibly remove them.

And that's one of the major problems. The Israeli government doesn't want peace because it thinks it benefits more from the status quo. That is why the US etc should just unilaterally recognize Palestine. It'll still be under occupation but there will be incentives for peace on both sides.

More accurately, I'd say Israel wants the status quo AND peace.

The Palestinians obviously won't accept the status quo--they want (1) '47 borders, (2) '67 borders, or (3) no Israel.

Which version of Palestine do you propose the US should recognize? And what do you think would be the practical effect of such recognition?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or here's an even better idea. Why don't we just send all our illegal central and south american immigrants over there? A lot of them are conversos so they're eligible for aliyah and we can help them with the paperwork.

So many problems would be solved just like that.

Palestinian posters here don't like immigrants or refugees. They've told us a million times that the Jewish survivors of WW@ were "colonizers".

They'd really hate Central and South American immigrants.

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Anonymous wrote:Could you imagine the US attorney general or NSC director being the guest of honor duiny a Klan rally March inside black neighborhoods in Washington DC with loudspeakers? That’s what Ben Gvir did last spring.

Ben Gvir was Marching in Palestinian Territories in the West Bank (the name Palestinian territory being needed as a submarker as there is now Israeli territory in the West Bank) screaming death to Arabs last spring .

This is an extreme spitting in the face of the people who already lost much land and security in the small parcels of land they had left .

You can’t cry when the hail hits you back

Ben Gvir is a disgrace although I don’t agree with your analogy.

And nice justification for gang rape and murder, you sicko.

You are the ones justifying murder.

Gang rape was long debunked by Max Blumenthal, Jewish. The December New York Times story “Screams without Words” was debunked.

You can read more about it here

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/01/10/questions-nyt-hamas-rape-report/amp/

The UN states that rape allegations are credible but I doubt you would believe them unless you personally witnessed it. Who knows maybe you were actually there?

The U.N. envoy focusing on sexual violence in conflict, Pramila Patten, said Monday there were “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape, “sexualized torture,” and other cruel and inhuman treatment of women during the attack.

Now the UN is credible to you ? I thought Israel calls them anti Semitic and wanting to threaten funding ? They were brow beaten into making that statement that they have “reasonable grounds” to believe rape occurred without going into detail.

The UN has realized that anti-semitism is so endemic that most Hamas supporters internationally could care less about some pesky Jews being brutally raped. It’s just fun and games to their left wing base.

Please stop trying to justify Israel's genocide in Gaza with your faux cries of antisemitism. The hypocrisy and dishonesty are nauseating.

This is what is bothering me. This isn’t a situation where one side is innocent and the other is evil. There is history and nuance and just a too many victims on both sides. There is no resolution without this realization and people being willing to understand the other’s experience. Unfortunately, Biden (and likely Trump) view that the U.S. should stand with Israel in all situations is too simplistic to get to a lasting peace in the region.

Meanwhile, every mother, father, sibling Israel kills in Gaza is leaving behind a Palestinian that will hate them.

DP.

100% agree with the bolded.

Disagree with the rest.

1. There's literally nothing the US can do to facilitate "lasting peace in the region". The two sides here have irreconcilable differences, and both prefer conflict over compromise.

2. Many/most Palestinians hated Israel before this round of conflict. The increase in hatred is marginal.

Then the only thing left to do is to sell everything and divide the family assets in half. Nobody keeps the house.

Like all divorces, devil is in the details.

Palestinians won't take responsibility for f***ing up by rejecting the original partition, and even the most "moderate" want the '47 or '67 borders.

Israel won't give back what it has taken through military conquest and settlement.

I don't really care what either of them want. If it's irreconcilable then nobody gets the land.

Kinda unrealistic. Israel has the land and has nuclear weapons.

In reality, if it's irreconcilable, then Israel will simply keep the land.

No one can/will forcibly remove them.

And that's one of the major problems. The Israeli government doesn't want peace because it thinks it benefits more from the status quo. That is why the US etc should just unilaterally recognize Palestine. It'll still be under occupation but there will be incentives for peace on both sides.

More accurately, I'd say Israel wants the status quo AND peace.

The Palestinians obviously won't accept the status quo--they want (1) '47 borders, (2) '67 borders, or (3) no Israel.

Which version of Palestine do you propose the US should recognize? And what do you think would be the practical effect of such recognition?

No they want the status quo and more war. Greater Israel and all that. As for a Palestinian state, Israel needs to grant citizenship to all Palestinians, with right of return, adopt a constitution guaranteeing rights for all and compensation to all Palestinians. This is the only way forward.

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Anonymous wrote:Could you imagine the US attorney general or NSC director being the guest of honor duiny a Klan rally March inside black neighborhoods in Washington DC with loudspeakers? That’s what Ben Gvir did last spring.

Ben Gvir was Marching in Palestinian Territories in the West Bank (the name Palestinian territory being needed as a submarker as there is now Israeli territory in the West Bank) screaming death to Arabs last spring .

This is an extreme spitting in the face of the people who already lost much land and security in the small parcels of land they had left .

You can’t cry when the hail hits you back

Ben Gvir is a disgrace although I don’t agree with your analogy.

And nice justification for gang rape and murder, you sicko.

You are the ones justifying murder.

Gang rape was long debunked by Max Blumenthal, Jewish. The December New York Times story “Screams without Words” was debunked.

You can read more about it here

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/01/10/questions-nyt-hamas-rape-report/amp/

The UN states that rape allegations are credible but I doubt you would believe them unless you personally witnessed it. Who knows maybe you were actually there?

The U.N. envoy focusing on sexual violence in conflict, Pramila Patten, said Monday there were “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape, “sexualized torture,” and other cruel and inhuman treatment of women during the attack.

Now the UN is credible to you ? I thought Israel calls them anti Semitic and wanting to threaten funding ? They were brow beaten into making that statement that they have “reasonable grounds” to believe rape occurred without going into detail.

The UN has realized that anti-semitism is so endemic that most Hamas supporters internationally could care less about some pesky Jews being brutally raped. It’s just fun and games to their left wing base.

Please stop trying to justify Israel's genocide in Gaza with your faux cries of antisemitism. The hypocrisy and dishonesty are nauseating.

This is what is bothering me. This isn’t a situation where one side is innocent and the other is evil. There is history and nuance and just a too many victims on both sides. There is no resolution without this realization and people being willing to understand the other’s experience. Unfortunately, Biden (and likely Trump) view that the U.S. should stand with Israel in all situations is too simplistic to get to a lasting peace in the region.

Meanwhile, every mother, father, sibling Israel kills in Gaza is leaving behind a Palestinian that will hate them.

DP.

100% agree with the bolded.

Disagree with the rest.

1. There's literally nothing the US can do to facilitate "lasting peace in the region". The two sides here have irreconcilable differences, and both prefer conflict over compromise.

2. Many/most Palestinians hated Israel before this round of conflict. The increase in hatred is marginal.

Then the only thing left to do is to sell everything and divide the family assets in half. Nobody keeps the house.

Like all divorces, devil is in the details.

Palestinians won't take responsibility for f***ing up by rejecting the original partition, and even the most "moderate" want the '47 or '67 borders.

Israel won't give back what it has taken through military conquest and settlement.

I don't really care what either of them want. If it's irreconcilable then nobody gets the land.

Kinda unrealistic. Israel has the land and has nuclear weapons.

In reality, if it's irreconcilable, then Israel will simply keep the land.

No one can/will forcibly remove them.

And that's one of the major problems. The Israeli government doesn't want peace because it thinks it benefits more from the status quo. That is why the US etc should just unilaterally recognize Palestine. It'll still be under occupation but there will be incentives for peace on both sides.

More accurately, I'd say Israel wants the status quo AND peace.

The Palestinians obviously won't accept the status quo--they want (1) '47 borders, (2) '67 borders, or (3) no Israel.

Which version of Palestine do you propose the US should recognize? And what do you think would be the practical effect of such recognition?

No, the Israeli Government has made its calculation. It would rather have land than peace. The borders are known, it's the 1967 lines.

I'm not wasting my time engaging with you though. You aren't as smart as you think you are. You're very transparent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or here's an even better idea. Why don't we just send all our illegal central and south american immigrants over there? A lot of them are conversos so they're eligible for aliyah and we can help them with the paperwork.

So many problems would be solved just like that.

Palestinian posters here don't like immigrants or refugees. They've told us a million times that the Jewish survivors of WW@ were "colonizers".

They'd really hate Central and South American immigrants.

Who cares? You don't. There wouldn't be any more argument against a single state because the Jewish population would be doubled. They'd just be Spanish speaking Catholics. It's a win win for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Could you imagine the US attorney general or NSC director being the guest of honor duiny a Klan rally March inside black neighborhoods in Washington DC with loudspeakers? That’s what Ben Gvir did last spring.

Ben Gvir was Marching in Palestinian Territories in the West Bank (the name Palestinian territory being needed as a submarker as there is now Israeli territory in the West Bank) screaming death to Arabs last spring .

This is an extreme spitting in the face of the people who already lost much land and security in the small parcels of land they had left .

You can’t cry when the hail hits you back

Ben Gvir is a disgrace although I don’t agree with your analogy.

And nice justification for gang rape and murder, you sicko.

You are the ones justifying murder.

Gang rape was long debunked by Max Blumenthal, Jewish. The December New York Times story “Screams without Words” was debunked.

You can read more about it here

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/01/10/questions-nyt-hamas-rape-report/amp/

The UN states that rape allegations are credible but I doubt you would believe them unless you personally witnessed it. Who knows maybe you were actually there?

The U.N. envoy focusing on sexual violence in conflict, Pramila Patten, said Monday there were “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape, “sexualized torture,” and other cruel and inhuman treatment of women during the attack.

Now the UN is credible to you ? I thought Israel calls them anti Semitic and wanting to threaten funding ? They were brow beaten into making that statement that they have “reasonable grounds” to believe rape occurred without going into detail.

The UN has realized that anti-semitism is so endemic that most Hamas supporters internationally could care less about some pesky Jews being brutally raped. It’s just fun and games to their left wing base.

Please stop trying to justify Israel's genocide in Gaza with your faux cries of antisemitism. The hypocrisy and dishonesty are nauseating.

This is what is bothering me. This isn’t a situation where one side is innocent and the other is evil. There is history and nuance and just a too many victims on both sides. There is no resolution without this realization and people being willing to understand the other’s experience. Unfortunately, Biden (and likely Trump) view that the U.S. should stand with Israel in all situations is too simplistic to get to a lasting peace in the region.

Meanwhile, every mother, father, sibling Israel kills in Gaza is leaving behind a Palestinian that will hate them.

DP.

100% agree with the bolded.

Disagree with the rest.

1. There's literally nothing the US can do to facilitate "lasting peace in the region". The two sides here have irreconcilable differences, and both prefer conflict over compromise.

2. Many/most Palestinians hated Israel before this round of conflict. The increase in hatred is marginal.

Then the only thing left to do is to sell everything and divide the family assets in half. Nobody keeps the house.

Like all divorces, devil is in the details.

Palestinians won't take responsibility for f***ing up by rejecting the original partition, and even the most "moderate" want the '47 or '67 borders.

Israel won't give back what it has taken through military conquest and settlement.

I don't really care what either of them want. If it's irreconcilable then nobody gets the land.

Kinda unrealistic. Israel has the land and has nuclear weapons.

In reality, if it's irreconcilable, then Israel will simply keep the land.

No one can/will forcibly remove them.

And that's one of the major problems. The Israeli government doesn't want peace because it thinks it benefits more from the status quo. That is why the US etc should just unilaterally recognize Palestine. It'll still be under occupation but there will be incentives for peace on both sides.

More accurately, I'd say Israel wants the status quo AND peace.

The Palestinians obviously won't accept the status quo--they want (1) '47 borders, (2) '67 borders, or (3) no Israel.

Which version of Palestine do you propose the US should recognize? And what do you think would be the practical effect of such recognition?

No they want the status quo and more war. Greater Israel and all that. As for a Palestinian state, Israel needs to grant citizenship to all Palestinians, with right of return, adopt a constitution guaranteeing rights for all and compensation to all Palestinians. This is the only way forward.

Literally zero percent chance that this ever happens. Definitely not a way forward.

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Anonymous wrote:Could you imagine the US attorney general or NSC director being the guest of honor duiny a Klan rally March inside black neighborhoods in Washington DC with loudspeakers? That’s what Ben Gvir did last spring.

Ben Gvir was Marching in Palestinian Territories in the West Bank (the name Palestinian territory being needed as a submarker as there is now Israeli territory in the West Bank) screaming death to Arabs last spring .

This is an extreme spitting in the face of the people who already lost much land and security in the small parcels of land they had left .

You can’t cry when the hail hits you back

Ben Gvir is a disgrace although I don’t agree with your analogy.

And nice justification for gang rape and murder, you sicko.

You are the ones justifying murder.

Gang rape was long debunked by Max Blumenthal, Jewish. The December New York Times story “Screams without Words” was debunked.

You can read more about it here

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/01/10/questions-nyt-hamas-rape-report/amp/

The UN states that rape allegations are credible but I doubt you would believe them unless you personally witnessed it. Who knows maybe you were actually there?

The U.N. envoy focusing on sexual violence in conflict, Pramila Patten, said Monday there were “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape, “sexualized torture,” and other cruel and inhuman treatment of women during the attack.

Now the UN is credible to you ? I thought Israel calls them anti Semitic and wanting to threaten funding ? They were brow beaten into making that statement that they have “reasonable grounds” to believe rape occurred without going into detail.

The UN has realized that anti-semitism is so endemic that most Hamas supporters internationally could care less about some pesky Jews being brutally raped. It’s just fun and games to their left wing base.

Please stop trying to justify Israel's genocide in Gaza with your faux cries of antisemitism. The hypocrisy and dishonesty are nauseating.

This is what is bothering me. This isn’t a situation where one side is innocent and the other is evil. There is history and nuance and just a too many victims on both sides. There is no resolution without this realization and people being willing to understand the other’s experience. Unfortunately, Biden (and likely Trump) view that the U.S. should stand with Israel in all situations is too simplistic to get to a lasting peace in the region.

Meanwhile, every mother, father, sibling Israel kills in Gaza is leaving behind a Palestinian that will hate them.

DP.

100% agree with the bolded.

Disagree with the rest.

1. There's literally nothing the US can do to facilitate "lasting peace in the region". The two sides here have irreconcilable differences, and both prefer conflict over compromise.

2. Many/most Palestinians hated Israel before this round of conflict. The increase in hatred is marginal.

Then the only thing left to do is to sell everything and divide the family assets in half. Nobody keeps the house.

Like all divorces, devil is in the details.

Palestinians won't take responsibility for f***ing up by rejecting the original partition, and even the most "moderate" want the '47 or '67 borders.

Israel won't give back what it has taken through military conquest and settlement.

I don't really care what either of them want. If it's irreconcilable then nobody gets the land.

Kinda unrealistic. Israel has the land and has nuclear weapons.

In reality, if it's irreconcilable, then Israel will simply keep the land.

No one can/will forcibly remove them.

And that's one of the major problems. The Israeli government doesn't want peace because it thinks it benefits more from the status quo. That is why the US etc should just unilaterally recognize Palestine. It'll still be under occupation but there will be incentives for peace on both sides.

More accurately, I'd say Israel wants the status quo AND peace.

The Palestinians obviously won't accept the status quo--they want (1) '47 borders, (2) '67 borders, or (3) no Israel.

Which version of Palestine do you propose the US should recognize? And what do you think would be the practical effect of such recognition?

No, the Israeli Government has made its calculation. It would rather have land than peace. The borders are known, it's the 1967 lines.

I'm not wasting my time engaging with you though. You aren't as smart as you think you are. You're very transparent.

Not "the isralei government" but more accurately, Netanyahu, who is keeping himself out of jail and...

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Anonymous wrote:Could you imagine the US attorney general or NSC director being the guest of honor duiny a Klan rally March inside black neighborhoods in Washington DC with loudspeakers? That’s what Ben Gvir did last spring.

Ben Gvir was Marching in Palestinian Territories in the West Bank (the name Palestinian territory being needed as a submarker as there is now Israeli territory in the West Bank) screaming death to Arabs last spring .

This is an extreme spitting in the face of the people who already lost much land and security in the small parcels of land they had left .

You can’t cry when the hail hits you back

Ben Gvir is a disgrace although I don’t agree with your analogy.

And nice justification for gang rape and murder, you sicko.

You are the ones justifying murder.

Gang rape was long debunked by Max Blumenthal, Jewish. The December New York Times story “Screams without Words” was debunked.

You can read more about it here

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/01/10/questions-nyt-hamas-rape-report/amp/

The UN states that rape allegations are credible but I doubt you would believe them unless you personally witnessed it. Who knows maybe you were actually there?

The U.N. envoy focusing on sexual violence in conflict, Pramila Patten, said Monday there were “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape, “sexualized torture,” and other cruel and inhuman treatment of women during the attack.

Now the UN is credible to you ? I thought Israel calls them anti Semitic and wanting to threaten funding ? They were brow beaten into making that statement that they have “reasonable grounds” to believe rape occurred without going into detail.

The UN has realized that anti-semitism is so endemic that most Hamas supporters internationally could care less about some pesky Jews being brutally raped. It’s just fun and games to their left wing base.

Please stop trying to justify Israel's genocide in Gaza with your faux cries of antisemitism. The hypocrisy and dishonesty are nauseating.

This is what is bothering me. This isn’t a situation where one side is innocent and the other is evil. There is history and nuance and just a too many victims on both sides. There is no resolution without this realization and people being willing to understand the other’s experience. Unfortunately, Biden (and likely Trump) view that the U.S. should stand with Israel in all situations is too simplistic to get to a lasting peace in the region.

Meanwhile, every mother, father, sibling Israel kills in Gaza is leaving behind a Palestinian that will hate them.

DP.

100% agree with the bolded.

Disagree with the rest.

1. There's literally nothing the US can do to facilitate "lasting peace in the region". The two sides here have irreconcilable differences, and both prefer conflict over compromise.

2. Many/most Palestinians hated Israel before this round of conflict. The increase in hatred is marginal.

Then the only thing left to do is to sell everything and divide the family assets in half. Nobody keeps the house.

Like all divorces, devil is in the details.

Palestinians won't take responsibility for f***ing up by rejecting the original partition, and even the most "moderate" want the '47 or '67 borders.

Israel won't give back what it has taken through military conquest and settlement.

I don't really care what either of them want. If it's irreconcilable then nobody gets the land.

Kinda unrealistic. Israel has the land and has nuclear weapons.

In reality, if it's irreconcilable, then Israel will simply keep the land.

No one can/will forcibly remove them.

And that's one of the major problems. The Israeli government doesn't want peace because it thinks it benefits more from the status quo. That is why the US etc should just unilaterally recognize Palestine. It'll still be under occupation but there will be incentives for peace on both sides.

More accurately, I'd say Israel wants the status quo AND peace.

The Palestinians obviously won't accept the status quo--they want (1) '47 borders, (2) '67 borders, or (3) no Israel.

Which version of Palestine do you propose the US should recognize? And what do you think would be the practical effect of such recognition?

No, the Israeli Government has made its calculation. It would rather have land than peace. The borders are known, it's the 1967 lines.

I'm not wasting my time engaging with you though. You aren't as smart as you think you are. You're very transparent.

You're probably right. I suspect that it's biologically impossible to be as smart as I think I am.

That said, Israel obviously wants both land and peace.

Same with the Palestinians.

But since I'm genuinely interested, I'll follow up.

PP (you?) wrote "That is why the US etc should just unilaterally recognize Palestine. It'll still be under occupation but there will be incentives for peace on both sides."

Exactly what version of Palestine should the US recognize, and how will that create incentives for peace?

[Anonymous]

The US is reported to have made more than 100 weapons sales to Israel, including thousands of bombs, since the start of the war in Gaza, but the deliveries escaped congressional oversight because each transaction was under the dollar amount requiring approval.

The Biden administration has become increasingly critical of the conduct of Israeli military operations in Gaza and the failure to allow in meaningful amounts of humanitarian aid, with the death toll now over 30,000 and with famine looming. But it has kept up a quiet but substantial flow of munitions to help replace the tens of thousands of bombs Israel has dropped on the tiny coastal strip, making it one of the most intense bombing campaigns in military history.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/06/israel-weapons-sales-loophole

Biden is such a snake.

[Anonymous]

Israel's government has advanced plans for more than 3,400 new homes in settlements in the occupied West Bank.
About 70% of the homes will be built in Maale Adumim, east of Jerusalem, with the rest in nearby Kedar and Efrat, south of Bethlehem.
A minister has said the construction is a response to a deadly Palestinian attack near Maale Adumim two weeks ago.
The Palestinian Authority condemned the plans, which are reportedly the first to be approved since June.
Israel has built about 160 settlements housing some 700,000 Jews since it occupied the West Bank and East Jerusalem - land the Palestinians want as part of a future state - in the 1967 Middle East war.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68490034

At least the Israelis are showing who is real superpower. F the US! Shut up and sit in the corner while we drive the Palestinians out of our country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or here's an even better idea. Why don't we just send all our illegal central and south american immigrants over there? A lot of them are conversos so they're eligible for aliyah and we can help them with the paperwork.

So many problems would be solved just like that.

Palestinian posters here don't like immigrants or refugees. They've told us a million times that the Jewish survivors of WW@ were "colonizers".

They'd really hate Central and South American immigrants.

https://youtu.be/StlMl077Ei8?si=wVA5D9F69E68f3a4

You should really watch Tsvi Misinai -an Israeli historian’s videos. Palestinians loved Jews so much they put Star of David on their houses to show they had Jewish ancestries or Star and moon together . The idea that they didn’t like the Jews is propoganda. Jews wouldn’t have moved there since the 1850s in the first place if it wasn’t a save haven .
Many villages had Jewish symbols, tombstones, and ancestors and were proud of their Jewish roots. The same people had their faces blurred on camera because having Jewish roots is now a source of suspicion

The Jewish immigrants were rude , mean, and aggressive so that’s why Jews went from liked to hated in Palestine

[Anonymous]

Until Central Americans start firebombing or putting babies in ovens, there’s no comparison between early Zionists and Latin American immigrants

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JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel ramped up its criticism of the embattled U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees Monday, saying 450 of its employees were members of militant groups in the Gaza Strip, though it provided no evidence to back up its accusation.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-03-04-2024-a93b77e949d3bdc459311fd84d0f90ba

Just more evidence the UN needs to be disbanded following the end of the war.

We cannot have a terrorist organization pretending to speak for the world. Especially one actively supporting an active genocide against Jews.

WTF is wrong with you?

What is wrong with me?

Literal STAFF MEMBERS of the UN were actively involved in Hamas’ genocidal invasion of Israel on 10/7. Staff members, hired by the UN.

The UN has repeatedly, and regularly, let aid shipments sent into Gaza, be taken by Hamas and sold to fund Hamas’ genocidal mission.

https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781286

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/02/06/ministers-urge-pause-for-humanitarian-aid-as-figures-show-60-ends-up-with-hamas/

When the Israeli government called them out on this, the UN first lied to the International press that Hamas had stolen the aid. They had not.

https://jewishinsider.com/2024/01/house-committee-unrwa-chief-philippe-lazzarini-aid-gaza-hamas/

When the UNRWA headquarters was literally built over a Hamas command center, like a shared office building?

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-military-compound-found-beneath-u-n-agency-headquarters-in-gaza-7e29c758

When the UN draws up objectively bogus claims of genocide against Israel for defending itself, while refusing to hear any case against Hamas for the clear and active genocide they have repeatedly attempted agains Israel?

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-counter-genocide-accusations-world-court-2024-01-12/

It is clear the UN has picked a side in this war, and that is with Hamas terrorists rather than Israel. They don’t even hide it, and their leadership refuses to even acknowledge the ongoing carnage inflicted upon Israel by Hamas and their Allies. There is no way to rejuvenate the UN, simply put, they no longer can be trusted to hold the power they do. Period. They and Iran are the strongest Allies Hamas has in this war, and we cannot just accept them as the party responsible for judging such matters as war crimes and genocide when they actively ignore and support a terrorist organization whose sole purpose is the genocide of the Jewish people and whose primary tactic is hiding behind hospitals and their own people. Period.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67215620.amp

The UN must be dissolved, and replaced with a more reasonable organization where Israel is given the right of representation.

Lies!

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

Yeah, I do. If they have been proven to have happened (beyond the UN statements I saw yesterday that were not quite definitive), I was wrong to have suggested the evidence would prove otherwise. Mea culpa.

Never denied.

Still. Need to eliminate all Zionists. Then there will be peace.

And a call for genocide.

Lovely.

I wouldn't be supportive of the elimination of any group of people without much more granular information, but how is this different than calling for the mass elimination of Hamas? You understand that Zionism is viewed as an unapologetically violent, vicious, inhumane, and racist ideology, right?

Zionism is abhorrent. It's NOT simply about creating and sustaining a Jewish homeland, unless you want to pretend that the ends justify the means - no matter how violent, viciously cruel, inhumane and racist those means were/are.

Hamas is obviously abhorrent, as well. But let's not pretend that subjugated people seeking any means necessary[u] to try to achieve their goals isn't an accusation that can comfortably describe the actions of both of these groups. In fact, Zionism fathered modern day terrorism. It's a fact. If you dispute that, go cry and pound sand about 10/7 elsewhere.

My, what a contortionist you are!

You called for genocide of Zionists, which includes virtually every Israeli.

So the equivalent is not, as you argue, calling for the elimination of Hamas; rather, the equivalent would be calling for genocide of Palestinians.

Evil, hypocritical, and not particularly capable, all in one neat little package.

Thanks for so ably demonstrating the true colors and the limitations of the pro-Palestinian movement. Much appreciated.

Also, to add, I believe it's possible to be Israeli, support the right of Israel to exist, and yet not be a racist, intolerant, POS Zionist. In fact, I hope that most of Israel is comprised of people like that - proud Israelis who don't support the apartheid, war crime actions of their government.

If you support the right of Israel to exist, you’re a Zionist. Congrats/ So which is it?

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So a Zionist supports the right of Israel to exist by any means necessary? By forcible eviction of the Palestinians if it comes down to it? Just making sure I understand the defn and at what point one stops being a Zionist? I think I am falling off the bandwagon. I used to believe Israel had a right to exist. For the most part, I still do. I just don’t think I can support an Israeli state over Palestinian lives and dignity.

Do you know what percentage of Israelis are zionists? Do you know what percentage of Jewish people are zionists? Do you know what percentage of American Jews are zionists? Any reputable data anyone can point me to? Wondering if everyone shares the definition of “Zionism” when they call themselves a zionist or not.

A Zionist believes the Jewish people have a right to have a homeland where Jewish people can hold positions of power.

Next time you doubt Israel’s right to exist, ask yourself this:

1) Do you believe Saudi Arabia has the right to exist as a nation where Muslims hold most positions of power?

2) Do you believe the US has the right to exist as a nation where Christians hold most positions of power?

3) If you agree that both Sadi Arabia and the US have the right to exist, despite both being heavily influenced by their dominant religion, why would you question Israel’s right to exist with Jewish people holding most positions of power?

Zionism is a scary word often twisted into hate, when at its base it is a very simple question. There are hundreds of nations that are, either explicitly or implicitly, tied to other faiths (I used Muslim and Christian because they are most common, but there are also Buddhist and other nations). There are also many examples of nations formed on historical and religious grounds (I.E. the Vatican City, Germany following the desolation of the USSR, etc), but there is one small nation that is primarily Jewish, that was founded based on religious and historical relevance to its people. Jewish people, by and large, do not believe that a sole Jewish nation cannot and should not be maintained when few question the prevalence of nations identifying themselves through religion.

That is what Zionism it, at its core, the belief that asking for one small nation, ruled in a democratic and peaceful nature, providing support to all that May live there (regardless of their religion) is not too much to ask for a people that have been repeatedly banished, violently disregarded, and attacked based on their religion.

Zionism is not the hate it has been made out to be by extremists. It’s not a belief in the Devine nature of Israel, nor is it the belief that Israel is solely for Jews (and in fact, there are many Muslims who serve in the Israeli government, in the IDF, and in prominent positions in Israeli social scenes). Nor is it the belief that Palestinians must die.

Well said!

No country has a right to exist.

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Ben Gvir was Marching in Palestinian Territories in the West Bank (the name Palestinian territory being needed as a submarker as there is now Israeli territory in the West Bank) screaming death to Arabs last spring .

This is an extreme spitting in the face of the people who already lost much land and security in the small parcels of land they had left .

You can’t cry when the hail hits you back

Ben Gvir is a disgrace although I don’t agree with your analogy.

And nice justification for gang rape and murder, you sicko.

You are the ones justifying murder.

Gang rape was long debunked by Max Blumenthal, Jewish. The December New York Times story “Screams without Words” was debunked.

You can read more about it here

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/01/10/questions-nyt-hamas-rape-report/amp/

The UN states that rape allegations are credible but I doubt you would believe them unless you personally witnessed it. Who knows maybe you were actually there?

The U.N. envoy focusing on sexual violence in conflict, Pramila Patten, said Monday there were “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape, “sexualized torture,” and other cruel and inhuman treatment of women during the attack.

Now the UN is credible to you ? I thought Israel calls them anti Semitic and wanting to threaten funding ? They were brow beaten into making that statement that they have “reasonable grounds” to believe rape occurred without going into detail.

The UN has realized that anti-semitism is so endemic that most Hamas supporters internationally could care less about some pesky Jews being brutally raped. It’s just fun and games to their left wing base.

Please stop trying to justify Israel's genocide in Gaza with your faux cries of antisemitism. The hypocrisy and dishonesty are nauseating.

This is what is bothering me. This isn’t a situation where one side is innocent and the other is evil. There is history and nuance and just a too many victims on both sides. There is no resolution without this realization and people being willing to understand the other’s experience. Unfortunately, Biden (and likely Trump) view that the U.S. should stand with Israel in all situations is too simplistic to get to a lasting peace in the region.

Meanwhile, every mother, father, sibling Israel kills in Gaza is leaving behind a Palestinian that will hate them.

DP.

100% agree with the bolded.

Disagree with the rest.

1. There's literally nothing the US can do to facilitate "lasting peace in the region". The two sides here have irreconcilable differences, and both prefer conflict over compromise.

2. Many/most Palestinians hated Israel before this round of conflict. The increase in hatred is marginal.

Then the only thing left to do is to sell everything and divide the family assets in half. Nobody keeps the house.

Like all divorces, devil is in the details.

Palestinians won't take responsibility for f***ing up by rejecting the original partition, and even the most "moderate" want the '47 or '67 borders.

Israel won't give back what it has taken through military conquest and settlement.

Speaking of settlements, Nazi Bibi and his merry band of Likud ethnic cleansers are ready to build more settlements in the West Bank. Yes, no genocide here. No ethnic cleansing here either.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68490034