OP horrid brothers dealing with mother update.

Anonymous
Its my baby brother”John” who’s still on the rampage since our mom appointed me her POA. My older brother ”Dave” has settled down. John who never visits has taken her out on drives thru her old neighborhood, to her business and even to her home! This is his manipulation to get her to revoke my POA, telling her things like she can come back home and he will take are of her etc.. I checked the timeline when John took her out and it correlates with her bad moods when I call. . My mom kept this to herself but told me yesterday. I would NEVER take her to her home because I think it would only make her depressed and prolong the adjustment to her AL. John is bringing a social worker to moms AL this morning to have a “meeting”. Another attempt to get her to revoke my POA. This social W sent me invite to this meeting but I declined. My mom asked me to come because she knows she is intimidated by John and needs my support. It’s going to be a shitshow yelling match and I don’t want to subject her to this but my husband said I have to put this all to bed!

Meanwhile in the short time I’ve had POA I’ve discovered why John is kicking like a mule. John has been the mgr of my parents businesses for years. I’ve gone to her banks and checked accounts. My parents told John to add me to all their LLCs a few yrs ago when they were estate planning. John’s response, “why, she’s married to a man with money now”. Parents response, “it doesn’t matter if she’s married to Bill Gates she’s entitled to a 3rd of our estate. If she was struggling would you want to give her more than a 3rd?” John then went thru the motions asking me for my ss number telling me he was adding me to all the LLCs. I discovered John created dummy LLCs at a different bank, each having the minimum $600 balance. He kept the legit LLCs at the original bank but told my parents he would move them to this new bank. Of course he never did. My dad passed of covid, mom suffers a stroke shortly after. I also discovered hundreds of thousands of balances in these LLC rental properties I’m not on. Between the balances and the properties we’re looking at well over 2 million. This doesn’t include her home that is sitting empty, her 300k in savings, her 42k car John is now using and her jewelry and cash stashed in her safe with John being only one with access. I snooped in my moms phone(bad girl) to check the texts between John and her and when she asked John why was I not added to the LLCs, his response, “why would I, she’s never been involved in the businesses”. I was shocked and disgusted. Ive always included John in my life of luxury with my husband allowing him so many experiences he NEVER would have had. It’s so sad he believes he can go against their wishes because of who I’m married to.

I will attend this meeting today and I warned my mother I’m not holding back this time and she better be prepared for all hell to break loose. I told her the ONLY outcome John will accept is her revoking my POA! She said that’s not happening. I also warned her he might also attempt to have her add him as a co POA. I told her that would create even more drama, contention and legal battles. Wish me luck.
Anonymous
I'm sorry your Mom has to experience the horrible stress of this. Keep your cool. No raised voices. Be firm and factual not emotional.
Anonymous
If you have so much money, bring one of your lawyers with you. You must have an estate attorney already in place.
Anonymous
Document document document! Don't cause drama for your mom. When she does, sue the pants off your brother. The process will freeze his assets. Get the statements of your moms desire now.
Anonymous
Record the meeting in case you need it later to prove your mothers wishes or to prove your brother said he’d comply.
Anonymous
I agree that you should take a lawyer with you if you can. And it sounds like you need one in your corner to sort some of this out because your brother sounds like a piece of work.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry your Mom has to experience the horrible stress of this. Keep your cool. No raised voices. Be firm and factual not emotional.


The only person I am sorry in this drama is OP(well, I am sorry that her mother is not doing well enough to stay at her home). Her parents let all this happen. It's their fault that they were ok with one of their children stealing from them for years.

It's sad that OP has to fight for parents who never bothered to fight to make sure that her siblings did not cheat her.
Anonymous
Good advice

Get an estate law lawyer to the meeting

Record the meeting with multiple cameras and recordings and offer to share the same with your mom and both brothers

Call your older brother to join the meeting as well

Do not yell and shout. Listen patiently and with a time limit to all.
Anonymous
I assume there was dysfunction long before your dad died? My parents thought somehow my sister and I would magically bond and work together even though she has been manipulative and had trouble playing nicely with others since childhood. I explained to them early on they can do whatever they want with their assets, but if they plan to leave anything to us it's need to be in my name and not co-owned with her. I said I don't care if that means I get less or I get nothing, but I cannot collaborate with her. She is someone who sues just to get back at people. No thank you.

I have seen too many families go up in flames and inevitably people end up with serious health issues fighting it out. You said you are already wealthy. Is it worth it? The drama does me in and I accepted more went to my sister because I work and we are stable and I just don't have the energy for legal battles. My sister found all sorts of ways to manipulate money out of mommy. In the end she has to live with herself. I have a good marriage and great kids and I didn't want to become stressed and bitter and have them suffer. If I were poor or struggling I might want to fight to the end, but we are in great shape to retire one day. In the end I want a peaceful life full of love and connection. Obviously my sister won't be part of that. She can roll around in money by herself. Just something to think about.

Also, if you do fight, yes absolutely bring a lawyer every time you meet.
Anonymous
OP update. My attorney could not come being it was a last-minute meeting. John and Dave arrived 30 mts early. The counselor John hired arrived 15 mts early and waited for me in the lobby before she went up to my mom's apt. I was very impressed with that. We went up together and she was really sweet. The Counselor set the ground rules and started with asking my mom what she wanted. From there we all took turns without interruption with the same question. The counselor squashed John’s ideals numerous times using her calculator when he suggested moving my mom for economic reasons. When John suggested he would spend the nights with my mom if she moved my mom said hell no! When John tried paraphrasing texts from me the counselor squashed that too. She told him we are not doing this. She was brilliant and could see right thru my brothers, especially John. She stopped both of them when they got nonsensical and off subject. Not once did she have to “scold” me. I stayed calm and rational. The outcome was fantastic! The counselor told John and Dave they will have to accept their mother’s decision with who she appointed POA and everyone needs to be transparent going forward. We will meet with an elderly estate attorney next and update her Will. I’m meeting John at the bank to be added to the “real” LLCs next week. My mom stayed tough throughout the meeting and never got emotional. I huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders and I’m so relieved. My mom will now not be bullied and manipulated anymore. My husband said it will be interesting to see when John visits her again. Being that he never did until just recently taking her on memory lane tours.
Anonymous
Sounds like a great meeting—hope it continues to go well and you get the back account information sorted out.
Anonymous
A much better outcome than I anticipated. You must feel relieved! Guessing it was an experienced counselor who has seen the ugly side of this before.
Anonymous
OP you have posted a lot and I am confused. Didn't you have a thread about wanting to move your mom because she was depressed at the AL. Now your brother is the bad guy for wanting to move her and the counselor squashed that.Pretty sure it's you because you have a dramatic way of writing where people are 1-dementional good guys and bad guys.
Anonymous
You got lucky, OP, but don't turn your back on your brothers. What will happen to the businesses going forward?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP you have posted a lot and I am confused. Didn't you have a thread about wanting to move your mom because she was depressed at the AL. Now your brother is the bad guy for wanting to move her and the counselor squashed that.Pretty sure it's you because you have a dramatic way of writing where people are 1-dementional good guys and bad guys.


Yes, OP has posted a lot. I suspect there are multiple sides to this story.
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