Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's cute that there's a poster who's insistent in here that Justin should have just played ball with Lively, which would have helped his career in the long run. Ryan and Blake began accusing Justin of harassment before the cameras even began rolling. The alleged fat-shaming incident happened in pre-production. Blake was insistent in misreading Justin's actions at every single turn. When you deal with someone like, there's nothing you can do to counter their actions, and it's best to disengage immediately (unfortunately, Justin couldn't for the reasons outlined in his complaint).

You cannot charm your way out enough or act nice enough or act deferent enough. They are out to get you. I question the social survival instincts of the people here who think you can.

Exactly. And they gave Blake everything she asked for - considering her lawyers threatened that she’d walk at every turn they kind of had to. They even gave her the PGA credit clearly under duress. And Ryan tried to move the production up 2 weeks which he knows is an impossible ask. What more could Baldoni have done?

From the get go they were pushy bullies. Justin was in a no win situation. And he would have kept totally quiet about it if not for this lawsuit. Now everyone knows the truth and no one will work with Blake again.

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Anonymous wrote:BL's popularity before IEWU was not based on her acting. It was based on her huge Instagram following, popularity with "fashion people" (hosting Met Gala, Vogue cover, relationships with Versace and other designers), her friendship with Taylor, and her marriage to Ryan Reynolds.

All that stuff together gave her a huge q score. The Shallows, the last movie she opened totally on her own, was a modest success. Hee magazine covers tend to sell. A Simple Favor did decent at the box office and then did really well on streaming, and she has the bigger character in that movie (Kendrick is good but her role is more of the straight man -- Blake for the more fun, showy role).

There are very few people in Hollywood who can do all that. I don't think much of Lively as an actress and find RR really annoying (I have zero interest in Deadpool and find his other ventures grating -- the last time I enjoyed him in a movie was The Proposal), but they both seem to understand celebrity and work it to their advantage, and it makes them a profitable investment. They also seem to have decent work ethics.

I completely understand why Hollywood is backing them. Baldoni is a nobody (sorry) and a lot of the people supporting him now have never seen any of his movies and didn't know who he was a year ago.

It's actually kind of a shame. I know it will get me screamed at on this thread, but having a monster hit like IEWU could have been huge for Baldoni. I think he was in talks to direct the Pacman movie before all this blew up (I mean ugh but that's the kind of garbage Hollywood makes now so it would have been big for him). I tend to think he blew it by not playing the game and figuring out how to work with Lively to his benefit. Even if he "wins" this case and even if Blake's career is in ruins, I think he blew his shot. Not because he'll be labeled a predator (lol this is not the problem in Hollywood people seem to think it is on this thread, look around), but because he showed himself to not know how to work with people like Lively or Reynolds. Are they narcissists? I'm sure they are! Just like everyone else in that town. That's the system. I don't think Baldoni is cut out for it.

I have to question this idea of a huge Q score meaning something in 2025. And middle America women do not care what celebrities where at the Met Gala. The Met Gala is essentially a circus to regular working Americans.

Here's a reality check on Hollywood. Once Taylor Swift dumps you it is a matter of time before everyone else has no use for you. Hollywood follows the cool girls and will shy away from controversy From now on it will be "pap walks" with Robyn and Blake and Ryan looking like a 50 year old lesbian trailing behind.

lmao. Were you the poster who made the Salma 60-th birthday comment? Please never leave.

You think lesbianish Ryan with his 15 year old "snark" act helps Blake? He's not sexy or funny and probably has more estrogen in hie blood than Blake. Are we really supposed to believe that America is hanging on Salma Hayek's pap pics? Ooh I wonder what Salma is wearing today? I plan my whole day around it. She is my idol.

You're an idiot. They're complimenting the Blake insults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol at all the know it alls in this thread tripping over each other.

Only super connected and highly successful industry experts spam and spin on DCUM all weekend. I am hanging in their every word. lol

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Everybody in this story looks crappy and tacky - Blake, Twohey, and Baldoni.

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Anonymous wrote:Everybody in this story looks crappy and tacky - Blake, Twohey, and Baldoni.

No. Baldoni may be cringy but he is obviously the victim in this hoax scheme.

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Anonymous wrote:Everybody in this story looks crappy and tacky - Blake, Twohey, and Baldoni.

Agree with this, wholeheartedly. Anyone who can't see that is too far in the tank for one of the parties to be thinking rationally.

No one here is appealing except maybe some of the tertiary characters. Like I feel bad for the other actors in the movie (especially Isabel Ferrer -- what a nightmare to emerge from your first movie ever, this sucks) and people like Emily Baldoni who seems like a perfectly nice person (I think her husband is absurd).

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Anonymous wrote:Everybody in this story looks crappy and tacky - Blake, Twohey, and Baldoni.

No. Baldoni may be cringy but he is obviously the victim in this hoax scheme.

This is not obvious at all. I think this whole mess is, minimum, 50% his own fault.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's cute that there's a poster who's insistent in here that Justin should have just played ball with Lively, which would have helped his career in the long run. Ryan and Blake began accusing Justin of harassment before the cameras even began rolling. The alleged fat-shaming incident happened in pre-production. Blake was insistent in misreading Justin's actions at every single turn. When you deal with someone like, there's nothing you can do to counter their actions, and it's best to disengage immediately (unfortunately, Justin couldn't for the reasons outlined in his complaint).

You cannot charm your way out enough or act nice enough or act deferent enough. They are out to get you. I question the social survival instincts of the people here who think you can.

It sure reads like a choreographed me too set up blackmail extortion whatever you want to call scheme from the very get-go. Really cool how the New York Times helped these scammers.

So I have been on the fence about whether Blake planned this from the start. I've gone from thinking no way, she's just an oversensitive psycho, to now thinking maybe she did.

It's very curious to me that the set had so many problems and then, bam, after the 17-point list is signed, everything runs completely smoothly. I know people will say this is evidence that Justin finally got put in his place and he became too scared to try anything. I now view it more as Blake finally got something to hold over his head, so she didn't need to accuse him of anything anymore.

I don’t know that they sat at the kitchen table in their NY penthouse and plotted this from day one. I think they saw opportunities to exploit justin early and took them. They know that he has this image and brand as a male feminist, and that made him an easy target. I also think Blake was way, way over sensitive about her postpartum body as her texts clearly showed. I think she was looking for a way out of the lift scene and found one. I truly think when he sent her the name of that woman to get probiotics from, the woman had something on her website like supplements for weight loss, and Blake flipped out and immediately thought he was trying to get her to take supplements or something, which is ridiculous.

But then once she had leverage I do thick she thought well what more can I get and saw him as a shortcut to a PGA.

I think if they planned it from the beginning, she would’ve been a lot more careful about her texts and her friendship with him, which was clearly there in the first few months. I also think the early pushback from fans seeing in the outfits and saying she was too old for the part really pushed her over the edge as well and she took a lot of that out on Justin.

And there’s no doubt in my mind that Ryan returning from the overseas Deadpool shoot and seeing some of the dailies or something had something to do with us as well. He is clearly very insecure.

I do think there are some strange things like Wayfair was pushing her to sign and make any amendments to the nudity rider and she didn’t do that. So she shot the birthing scene without it and then was conveniently able to say that she was uncomfortable with it. I definitely think that was strategic. It seemed strategic for her not to sign her contract and for her not to return that rider so that she could pull crap like that. It still amazes me that they paid her 3 million before she had signed the contract. She was then just able to hold a lot over their head. That was certainly a mess up on their part but I do think they were feeling pressure from Sony to just play ball and get through the shoot.

I don’t think people understand that she had not decided to go crazy after the writer strike and whip out this list of demands Justin would’ve only had to deal with her a couple more weeks. Then he would’ve been free to spend the next several months editing the movie. I don’t think he anticipated her totally trying to take over the edit and the marketing. It sounded like they were just trying to get through the next few weeks and be done with it. This might have played out very differently if not for the strike….who knows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's cute that there's a poster who's insistent in here that Justin should have just played ball with Lively, which would have helped his career in the long run. Ryan and Blake began accusing Justin of harassment before the cameras even began rolling. The alleged fat-shaming incident happened in pre-production. Blake was insistent in misreading Justin's actions at every single turn. When you deal with someone like, there's nothing you can do to counter their actions, and it's best to disengage immediately (unfortunately, Justin couldn't for the reasons outlined in his complaint).

You cannot charm your way out enough or act nice enough or act deferent enough. They are out to get you. I question the social survival instincts of the people here who think you can.

Agree. There was nothing he could do and they were out to humiliate him, as seen by not letting him be part of the movie's premiere, relegating him and his friends to some adjacent room. Why do that? It was just to turn the screws.

And I think BL and RR's tactics were typical Hollywood stuff. People in that world stay silent or flatter each other publicly and don't expose the cutthroat moves that go on. They're exposed only when a Harvey Weinstein gets erevealed, or, in this case, when someone has ability to keep going in a fight. He has money backing him and can stay in the fight. I think it's fascinating to see.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's cute that there's a poster who's insistent in here that Justin should have just played ball with Lively, which would have helped his career in the long run. Ryan and Blake began accusing Justin of harassment before the cameras even began rolling. The alleged fat-shaming incident happened in pre-production. Blake was insistent in misreading Justin's actions at every single turn. When you deal with someone like, there's nothing you can do to counter their actions, and it's best to disengage immediately (unfortunately, Justin couldn't for the reasons outlined in his complaint).

You cannot charm your way out enough or act nice enough or act deferent enough. They are out to get you. I question the social survival instincts of the people here who think you can.

It sure reads like a choreographed me too set up blackmail extortion whatever you want to call scheme from the very get-go. Really cool how the New York Times helped these scammers.

So I have been on the fence about whether Blake planned this from the start. I've gone from thinking no way, she's just an oversensitive psycho, to now thinking maybe she did.

It's very curious to me that the set had so many problems and then, bam, after the 17-point list is signed, everything runs completely smoothly. I know people will say this is evidence that Justin finally got put in his place and he became too scared to try anything. I now view it more as Blake finally got something to hold over his head, so she didn't need to accuse him of anything anymore.

I don’t know that they sat at the kitchen table in their NY penthouse and plotted this from day one. I think they saw opportunities to exploit justin early and took them. They know that he has this image and brand as a male feminist, and that made him an easy target. I also think Blake was way, way over sensitive about her postpartum body as her texts clearly showed. I think she was looking for a way out of the lift scene and found one. I truly think when he sent her the name of that woman to get probiotics from, the woman had something on her website like supplements for weight loss, and Blake flipped out and immediately thought he was trying to get her to take supplements or something, which is ridiculous.

But then once she had leverage I do thick she thought well what more can I get and saw him as a shortcut to a PGA.

I think if they planned it from the beginning, she would’ve been a lot more careful about her texts and her friendship with him, which was clearly there in the first few months. I also think the early pushback from fans seeing in the outfits and saying she was too old for the part really pushed her over the edge as well and she took a lot of that out on Justin.

And there’s no doubt in my mind that Ryan returning from the overseas Deadpool shoot and seeing some of the dailies or something had something to do with us as well. He is clearly very insecure.

I do think there are some strange things like Wayfair was pushing her to sign and make any amendments to the nudity rider and she didn’t do that. So she shot the birthing scene without it and then was conveniently able to say that she was uncomfortable with it. I definitely think that was strategic. It seemed strategic for her not to sign her contract and for her not to return that rider so that she could pull crap like that. It still amazes me that they paid her 3 million before she had signed the contract. She was then just able to hold a lot over their head. That was certainly a mess up on their part but I do think they were feeling pressure from Sony to just play ball and get through the shoot.

I don’t think people understand that she had not decided to go crazy after the writer strike and whip out this list of demands Justin would’ve only had to deal with her a couple more weeks. Then he would’ve been free to spend the next several months editing the movie. I don’t think he anticipated her totally trying to take over the edit and the marketing. It sounded like they were just trying to get through the next few weeks and be done with it. This might have played out very differently if not for the strike….who knows.

I agree with a lot of this. Someone posted on Reddit that without a crystal ball has a source on the crew who WF has tons of evidence of Blake’s bad behavior that will come out at trial b/c it’s all on camera. They said the cameras often kept rolling between takes and there’s lots of footage of Blake being a nightmare and none of Justin SH’ing here.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol at all the know it alls in this thread tripping over each other.

Agree. Pro Baldoni posters are so aggro with their disinformation they are attacking one another now.

[Anonymous]

I think the idea that this was some longterm plot by Blake and Ryan, or even that they seized an opportunity to allege SH in order to take over the movie, is a sign that you've been thinking too much about this whole thing and your imagination is taking over. It does not make sense. This is every bit as fanciful and weird as a Lively supporter thinking that Baldoni cast Lively so that he could SH her. No. I sincerely believe both these people went into this situation with good intentions.

I think they had serious culture clash and it spiraled. I also think that Baldoni was tone deaf at times in a way that compounded problems that otherwise could have been addressed and moved on from. Like the whole thing with the birth scene. He shouldn't have asked her to be nude in that scene when it wasn't scripted that way, and he shouldn't have been pushy about it. But fine, they found a middle ground and it got filmed. Then the next day he's telling Heath to go show Lively Heath's wife's birth video? Dude, why? This is a sign of someone who can't bear to not win an argument and who lacks boundaries. I don't think it's SH, I just think it's super annoying. I think a lot of the stuff Blake alleges is in this category -- Baldoni doing something that is a little weird to people who don't know him, Blake reacting negatively, and then Baldoni doubling down like "no really, this is good, we *should* discuss our history with pornography more." He needed someone to rein him in and tell him to lay off and let some of this stuff go. He seems like a kind of intense guy who has very specific ideas about how people should interact (in line with his whole "male vulnerability" schtick from his podcast and books) and he needed to understand that not everyone likes that and not to force it on people.

Lively, for her part, just seems to have been in a sensitive, vulnerable place coming off the birth of her fourth child, and I think overreacted to certain things or viewed behavior that was simply tone deaf or dumb as intentional. I say this as someone who has been through PPD and knows it's hard. I actually have a lot of empathy for her.

Both people here needed to have people around them who cooled them off and encouraged them to be more understanding and to let stuff go. Instead the opposite seems to be true. I think Baldoni got spun up by Heath and the billionaire dude and also that Wayfarer might have a kind of insular culture because of the religion angle and that gave them an "us versus them" attitude. Meanwhile I think RR totally encouraged Lively to nuclear and not give an inch. And that was the problem. Then once Melissa Nathan and Bryan Freedman were involved, I think it got way worse because Nathan is extremely aggressive in her PR approach and we can all see that Freedman doesn't have a light touch.

Basically every choice either of them made after those first few weeks of filming with all the little issues, just ramped up the tensions and made things worse. This is why it's good to have people in your life who are like "yes I agree with you but do you really want to fight over this, or do you want to just get through it and move on?" Both of them needed a friend who would tell them to just suck it up, finish the movie and promotion, and then forget about the whole thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the idea that this was some longterm plot by Blake and Ryan, or even that they seized an opportunity to allege SH in order to take over the movie, is a sign that you've been thinking too much about this whole thing and your imagination is taking over. It does not make sense. This is every bit as fanciful and weird as a Lively supporter thinking that Baldoni cast Lively so that he could SH her. No. I sincerely believe both these people went into this situation with good intentions.

I think they had serious culture clash and it spiraled. I also think that Baldoni was tone deaf at times in a way that compounded problems that otherwise could have been addressed and moved on from. Like the whole thing with the birth scene. He shouldn't have asked her to be nude in that scene when it wasn't scripted that way, and he shouldn't have been pushy about it. But fine, they found a middle ground and it got filmed. Then the next day he's telling Heath to go show Lively Heath's wife's birth video? Dude, why? This is a sign of someone who can't bear to not win an argument and who lacks boundaries. I don't think it's SH, I just think it's super annoying. I think a lot of the stuff Blake alleges is in this category -- Baldoni doing something that is a little weird to people who don't know him, Blake reacting negatively, and then Baldoni doubling down like "no really, this is good, we *should* discuss our history with pornography more." He needed someone to rein him in and tell him to lay off and let some of this stuff go. He seems like a kind of intense guy who has very specific ideas about how people should interact (in line with his whole "male vulnerability" schtick from his podcast and books) and he needed to understand that not everyone likes that and not to force it on people.

Lively, for her part, just seems to have been in a sensitive, vulnerable place coming off the birth of her fourth child, and I think overreacted to certain things or viewed behavior that was simply tone deaf or dumb as intentional. I say this as someone who has been through PPD and knows it's hard. I actually have a lot of empathy for her.

Both people here needed to have people around them who cooled them off and encouraged them to be more understanding and to let stuff go. Instead the opposite seems to be true. I think Baldoni got spun up by Heath and the billionaire dude and also that Wayfarer might have a kind of insular culture because of the religion angle and that gave them an "us versus them" attitude. Meanwhile I think RR totally encouraged Lively to nuclear and not give an inch. And that was the problem. Then once Melissa Nathan and Bryan Freedman were involved, I think it got way worse because Nathan is extremely aggressive in her PR approach and we can all see that Freedman doesn't have a light touch.

Basically every choice either of them made after those first few weeks of filming with all the little issues, just ramped up the tensions and made things worse. This is why it's good to have people in your life who are like "yes I agree with you but do you really want to fight over this, or do you want to just get through it and move on?" Both of them needed a friend who would tell them to just suck it up, finish the movie and promotion, and then forget about the whole thing.

I think efforts by team lively to “both sides” this case ignores reality.

First, your examples about the birth scene and the pornography discussion have been clearly disputed by JB. Blake brought up pornography, not justin, and she wasn’t nude in the birth scene nor is there evidence that she was pressured to be. The fact is many of these issues are in Blake’s complaint because she needed to show a pattern of behavior so she pulled together a laundry list of anything she could twist to fit her narrative. I’m sure her lawyers helped her to do this because lawyers are good at this. I can imagine the conversation with her lawyers going something like, oh he showed you a video of his wife giving birth, that’s porn. Oh you were wearing briefs during the birthing scene, let’s describe that as “just a thin piece of cloth covering your privates”. It’s all so calculated and absurd.

To your second point about trying to de-escalate the situation, I think there’s tons of evidence that’s exactly what JB tried to do. He signed her complaint, apologized to her, gave her everything she wanted, sat out of the promo, went to the basement at his own premiere. He only hired crisis PR because Blake was dropping breadcrumb after breadcrumb that he was a problem. At some point a person is allowed to defend themselves. Blake is no stranger to crisis PR herself, just look at what her team is doing right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the idea that this was some longterm plot by Blake and Ryan, or even that they seized an opportunity to allege SH in order to take over the movie, is a sign that you've been thinking too much about this whole thing and your imagination is taking over. It does not make sense. This is every bit as fanciful and weird as a Lively supporter thinking that Baldoni cast Lively so that he could SH her. No. I sincerely believe both these people went into this situation with good intentions.

I think they had serious culture clash and it spiraled. I also think that Baldoni was tone deaf at times in a way that compounded problems that otherwise could have been addressed and moved on from. Like the whole thing with the birth scene. He shouldn't have asked her to be nude in that scene when it wasn't scripted that way, and he shouldn't have been pushy about it. But fine, they found a middle ground and it got filmed. Then the next day he's telling Heath to go show Lively Heath's wife's birth video? Dude, why? This is a sign of someone who can't bear to not win an argument and who lacks boundaries. I don't think it's SH, I just think it's super annoying. I think a lot of the stuff Blake alleges is in this category -- Baldoni doing something that is a little weird to people who don't know him, Blake reacting negatively, and then Baldoni doubling down like "no really, this is good, we *should* discuss our history with pornography more." He needed someone to rein him in and tell him to lay off and let some of this stuff go. He seems like a kind of intense guy who has very specific ideas about how people should interact (in line with his whole "male vulnerability" schtick from his podcast and books) and he needed to understand that not everyone likes that and not to force it on people.

Lively, for her part, just seems to have been in a sensitive, vulnerable place coming off the birth of her fourth child, and I think overreacted to certain things or viewed behavior that was simply tone deaf or dumb as intentional. I say this as someone who has been through PPD and knows it's hard. I actually have a lot of empathy for her.

Both people here needed to have people around them who cooled them off and encouraged them to be more understanding and to let stuff go. Instead the opposite seems to be true. I think Baldoni got spun up by Heath and the billionaire dude and also that Wayfarer might have a kind of insular culture because of the religion angle and that gave them an "us versus them" attitude. Meanwhile I think RR totally encouraged Lively to nuclear and not give an inch. And that was the problem. Then once Melissa Nathan and Bryan Freedman were involved, I think it got way worse because Nathan is extremely aggressive in her PR approach and we can all see that Freedman doesn't have a light touch.

Basically every choice either of them made after those first few weeks of filming with all the little issues, just ramped up the tensions and made things worse. This is why it's good to have people in your life who are like "yes I agree with you but do you really want to fight over this, or do you want to just get through it and move on?" Both of them needed a friend who would tell them to just suck it up, finish the movie and promotion, and then forget about the whole thing.

Nice attempt at a pivot. You must get paid by the word

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Anonymous wrote:Everybody in this story looks crappy and tacky - Blake, Twohey, and Baldoni.

Agree with this, wholeheartedly. Anyone who can't see that is too far in the tank for one of the parties to be thinking rationally.

No one here is appealing except maybe some of the tertiary characters. Like I feel bad for the other actors in the movie (especially Isabel Ferrer -- what a nightmare to emerge from your first movie ever, this sucks) and people like Emily Baldoni who seems like a perfectly nice person (I think her husband is absurd).

This is why among all her high priced lawyers and PR people, there should be someone focused on finding an off ramp. These little ‘wins’ her side keeps touting are meaningless.