Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Neither government of the Palestinians is really great. The West Bank govt is extremely passive about Israel from settlements and settlers and it’s illegal for their police to help Palestinians against illegal Jewish settlements. That’s a joke of a government . They’re super passive and soft with Israel .

On the other hand, Hamas is tough with Israel, too aggressive about Israel and batshit insane although they are somewhat better than the Authority and many other Arab countries when it comes to some things like education . They are really good with opening many colleges in Gaza and that’s about it

"Extremely passive"??? You realize that there is absolutely nothing Palestinians can legally do to resist the settlement movement? Without being branded a terrorist, I mean?

[Anonymous]

Since the report about ongoing raped of hostages the feelings amongst my friends and coworkers is changing back to pro isreal action..... obviously not wanting to kill innocent civilians but understanding who they are dealing with better now.

[Anonymous]

The hostages are abused using wires up and down their arms. This coming from one of the Thai hostages who was realized early on and who has zero skin in this game except that he and his friends were kidnapped and held hostage until released.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since the report about ongoing raped of hostages the feelings amongst my friends and coworkers is changing back to pro isreal action..... obviously not wanting to kill innocent civilians but understanding who they are dealing with better now.

Sure Ari, sure

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since the report about ongoing raped of hostages the feelings amongst my friends and coworkers is changing back to pro isreal action..... obviously not wanting to kill innocent civilians but understanding who they are dealing with better now.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/20/middleeast/israel-hamas-un-investigation-sexual-abuse-intl/index.html

I guess this doesn't matter to them

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

Yeah, I do. If they have been proven to have happened (beyond the UN statements I saw yesterday that were not quite definitive), I was wrong to have suggested the evidence would prove otherwise. Mea culpa.

Never denied.

Still. Need to eliminate all Zionists. Then there will be peace.

And a call for genocide.

Lovely.

I wouldn't be supportive of the elimination of any group of people without much more granular information, but how is this different than calling for the mass elimination of Hamas? You understand that Zionism is viewed as an unapologetically violent, vicious, inhumane, and racist ideology, right?

Zionism is abhorrent. It's NOT simply about creating and sustaining a Jewish homeland, unless you want to pretend that the ends justify the means - no matter how violent, viciously cruel, inhumane and racist those means were/are.

Hamas is obviously abhorrent, as well. But let's not pretend that subjugated people seeking any means necessary[u] to try to achieve their goals isn't an accusation that can comfortably describe the actions of both of these groups. In fact, Zionism fathered modern day terrorism. It's a fact. If you dispute that, go cry and pound sand about 10/7 elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

You have been brainwashed. In your effort to educate yourself you have given away your critical thinking skills.

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed beyond sad. The whole world just looks on - utterly depressing ugh. But you know this is the story of ME. For both Israel really and Palestine. It will always be someone on either side hurt. But I will say that this time around, it's beyond words.

The people here who keep harping Hamas created this current situation will go to H. They surely will because they are for killing the innocent and that is never ever just. Ultimately I feel that the pain just transfers depending on time between both people. I fear that one day this immense pain felt by Arabs will undoubtedly bounce back to Israel. Maybe even US and the world for allowing this to even happen.

This is a dark time when you really lose faith that there is a higher power really. I would suggest this is Palestines holocaust. Seriously. Hamas may have started it but what Israel is doing is genocide of a people pure and simple which the US has assisted.

the Palestinians Holocaust? Remind me, when did the Jews mass slaughter aryan Germans and take hundreds of hostages, resulting in Hitler and eichmann designing the final solution? Oh wait, that never happened. Moronic comparison. If this is a Palestinian Holocaust, Hamas is Hitler in your analogy.

Don't forget what preceded 10/7, which was the Nakba, a genocide in itself. Since the Nakba, Israel has continued to abuse Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Zionists have been trying to erase Palestinians for decades.

Don't forget what preceded the Nakba, which was the immediate rejection of the League of Nations agreement to partition the British-administered territory of Palestine to create a nation of Israel. The Arabs began an immediate uprising, first a civil war and then organized neighboring Arab states to try to conquer the designated Israeli lands and genocidally exterminate the Jews. You falsely portray the Nakba as having happened in a complete vacuum and ignore the fact that it was the result of a genocidal war that the Arabs started.

Keep telling yourself the Zionist version of history. You have stood reality on its head. Muslim, Christian, and Jewish Palestinians lived side-by-side in relative peace and goodwill until it became clear that the Zionist plan, spelled out in Plan D, was to conquer the land and reduce Palestinian numbers. The Palestinian uprising in the late 1930s was against the British administration and demanded an independent state and an end to the open-ended Jewish immigration, which was prudent, given that the Zionist goal was to steal the land. It was a perfectly understandable uprising by an indigenous people against a colonialist power that ignored its needs and aspirations, and it was brutally suppressed. The "civil war" was in fact resistance to occupation by foreigners, a pathetic attempt on the part of Palestinians to defend their homeland from brutal invaders whose stated goal was to drive them out (a.k.a. genociding them). The U.N. partition plan would not have been passed in today's more enlightened times and was ferociously unfair to the Palestinians. Although desperately unfair, 181 did not give Zionists the right to commit the atrocities that it perpetrated and to drive hundreds of thousands of Palestinians out of the land. Over the Nakba, Zionists destroyed hundreds of Palestinian villages, murdered and raped thousands of Palestinians with extreme cruelty, and evicted hundreds of thousands of people. Israel, to its shame, is full of the ruins of hundreds of Palestinian villages, which are now rubble, and it planted pine trees around them. Zionist terrorists stole everything they could from these people, including their furniture and jewelry, even hacking the fingers of murdered women to steal their rings. This process continues in the WB and now in Gaza (IDF soldiers love to post videos of themselves on social media with their "newly acquired" Palestinian possessions). Nicer homes were not destroyed but given to European invaders who had no claim to these properties. Their true owners still live in exile, although they have the right to return (Israel blathers much less about 194 than about 181). Israel is a land where Ivanka Trump can freely move into a stone cottage whose true owner is still living in exile in a neighboring Arab country. Think about the injustice of that!

What has changed since the Nakba? Israeli settler terrorists continue to "Nakba" Palestinians, steal their property, and drive them off their land, just as they have done for decades. The IDF is reducing Gaza to rubble and murdering and starving innocent children. The Nakba never really ended. It was just somewhat "successful" in the Israeli mindset in that it evicted enough Palestinians that Israelis could be a majority. The Nakba was and is an ongoing genocide. While I condemn all violence, why is anyone surprised that occasional outbursts of rage such as 10/7 still occur? Why should Palestinians passively submit to a history of atrocious and unjust treatment, but Israelis must be handled with kid gloves?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

Yeah, I do. If they have been proven to have happened (beyond the UN statements I saw yesterday that were not quite definitive), I was wrong to have suggested the evidence would prove otherwise. Mea culpa.

Never denied.

Still. Need to eliminate all Zionists. Then there will be peace.

And a call for genocide.

Lovely.

I wouldn't be supportive of the elimination of any group of people without much more granular information, but how is this different than calling for the mass elimination of Hamas? You understand that Zionism is viewed as an unapologetically violent, vicious, inhumane, and racist ideology, right?

Zionism is abhorrent. It's NOT simply about creating and sustaining a Jewish homeland, unless you want to pretend that the ends justify the means - no matter how violent, viciously cruel, inhumane and racist those means were/are.

Hamas is obviously abhorrent, as well. But let's not pretend that subjugated people seeking any means necessary[u] to try to achieve their goals isn't an accusation that can comfortably describe the actions of both of these groups. In fact, Zionism fathered modern day terrorism. It's a fact. If you dispute that, go cry and pound sand about 10/7 elsewhere.

My, what a contortionist you are!

You called for genocide of Zionists, which includes virtually every Israeli.

So the equivalent is not, as you argue, calling for the elimination of Hamas; rather, the equivalent would be calling for genocide of Palestinians.

Evil, hypocritical, and not particularly capable, all in one neat little package.

Thanks for so ably demonstrating the true colors and the limitations of the pro-Palestinian movement. Much appreciated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

Yeah, I do. If they have been proven to have happened (beyond the UN statements I saw yesterday that were not quite definitive), I was wrong to have suggested the evidence would prove otherwise. Mea culpa.

Never denied.

Still. Need to eliminate all Zionists. Then there will be peace.

And a call for genocide.

Lovely.

I wouldn't be supportive of the elimination of any group of people without much more granular information, but how is this different than calling for the mass elimination of Hamas? You understand that Zionism is viewed as an unapologetically violent, vicious, inhumane, and racist ideology, right?

Zionism is abhorrent. It's NOT simply about creating and sustaining a Jewish homeland, unless you want to pretend that the ends justify the means - no matter how violent, viciously cruel, inhumane and racist those means were/are.

Hamas is obviously abhorrent, as well. But let's not pretend that subjugated people seeking any means necessary[u] to try to achieve their goals isn't an accusation that can comfortably describe the actions of both of these groups. In fact, Zionism fathered modern day terrorism. It's a fact. If you dispute that, go cry and pound sand about 10/7 elsewhere.

My, what a contortionist you are!

You called for genocide of Zionists, which includes virtually every Israeli.

So the equivalent is not, as you argue, calling for the elimination of Hamas; rather, the equivalent would be calling for genocide of Palestinians.

Evil, hypocritical, and not particularly capable, all in one neat little package.

Thanks for so ably demonstrating the true colors and the limitations of the pro-Palestinian movement. Much appreciated.

You're a buffoon. You're replying to someone who DIDN'T write the "Need to eliminate all Zionists" post. That's why they began their post with the "I wouldn't be supportive of the elimination of any group ..." preamble. Get it now? Sheesh. For people who obsess over kicking the intelligence of gentiles to compensate for their insecurities, you really handle reading comprehension poorly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

Yeah, I do. If they have been proven to have happened (beyond the UN statements I saw yesterday that were not quite definitive), I was wrong to have suggested the evidence would prove otherwise. Mea culpa.

Never denied.

Still. Need to eliminate all Zionists. Then there will be peace.

And a call for genocide.

Lovely.

I wouldn't be supportive of the elimination of any group of people without much more granular information, but how is this different than calling for the mass elimination of Hamas? You understand that Zionism is viewed as an unapologetically violent, vicious, inhumane, and racist ideology, right?

Zionism is abhorrent. It's NOT simply about creating and sustaining a Jewish homeland, unless you want to pretend that the ends justify the means - no matter how violent, viciously cruel, inhumane and racist those means were/are.

Hamas is obviously abhorrent, as well. But let's not pretend that subjugated people seeking any means necessary[u] to try to achieve their goals isn't an accusation that can comfortably describe the actions of both of these groups. In fact, Zionism fathered modern day terrorism. It's a fact. If you dispute that, go cry and pound sand about 10/7 elsewhere.

My, what a contortionist you are!

You called for genocide of Zionists, which includes virtually every Israeli.

So the equivalent is not, as you argue, calling for the elimination of Hamas; rather, the equivalent would be calling for genocide of Palestinians.

Evil, hypocritical, and not particularly capable, all in one neat little package.

Thanks for so ably demonstrating the true colors and the limitations of the pro-Palestinian movement. Much appreciated.

Also, to add, I believe it's possible to be Israeli, support the right of Israel to exist, and yet not be a racist, intolerant, POS Zionist. In fact, I hope that most of Israel is comprised of people like that - proud Israelis who don't support the apartheid, war crime actions of their government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

Yeah, I do. If they have been proven to have happened (beyond the UN statements I saw yesterday that were not quite definitive), I was wrong to have suggested the evidence would prove otherwise. Mea culpa.

Never denied.

Still. Need to eliminate all Zionists. Then there will be peace.

And a call for genocide.

Lovely.

I wouldn't be supportive of the elimination of any group of people without much more granular information, but how is this different than calling for the mass elimination of Hamas? You understand that Zionism is viewed as an unapologetically violent, vicious, inhumane, and racist ideology, right?

Zionism is abhorrent. It's NOT simply about creating and sustaining a Jewish homeland, unless you want to pretend that the ends justify the means - no matter how violent, viciously cruel, inhumane and racist those means were/are.

Hamas is obviously abhorrent, as well. But let's not pretend that subjugated people seeking any means necessary[u] to try to achieve their goals isn't an accusation that can comfortably describe the actions of both of these groups. In fact, Zionism fathered modern day terrorism. It's a fact. If you dispute that, go cry and pound sand about 10/7 elsewhere.

My, what a contortionist you are!

You called for genocide of Zionists, which includes virtually every Israeli.

So the equivalent is not, as you argue, calling for the elimination of Hamas; rather, the equivalent would be calling for genocide of Palestinians.

Evil, hypocritical, and not particularly capable, all in one neat little package.

Thanks for so ably demonstrating the true colors and the limitations of the pro-Palestinian movement. Much appreciated.

You're a buffoon. You're replying to someone who DIDN'T write the "Need to eliminate all Zionists" post. That's why they began their post with the "I wouldn't be supportive of the elimination of any group ..." preamble. Get it now? Sheesh. For people who obsess over kicking the intelligence of gentiles to compensate for their insecurities, you really handle reading comprehension poorly.

Evidently, you're not aware of the "DP" convention here at DCUM.

So, who's the buffoon? Sheesh.

And nice "gentiles" dig. What on earth could you be insinuating?

Second-rater.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

Yeah, I do. If they have been proven to have happened (beyond the UN statements I saw yesterday that were not quite definitive), I was wrong to have suggested the evidence would prove otherwise. Mea culpa.

Never denied.

Still. Need to eliminate all Zionists. Then there will be peace.

And a call for genocide.

Lovely.

I wouldn't be supportive of the elimination of any group of people without much more granular information, but how is this different than calling for the mass elimination of Hamas? You understand that Zionism is viewed as an unapologetically violent, vicious, inhumane, and racist ideology, right?

Zionism is abhorrent. It's NOT simply about creating and sustaining a Jewish homeland, unless you want to pretend that the ends justify the means - no matter how violent, viciously cruel, inhumane and racist those means were/are.

Hamas is obviously abhorrent, as well. But let's not pretend that subjugated people seeking any means necessary[u] to try to achieve their goals isn't an accusation that can comfortably describe the actions of both of these groups. In fact, Zionism fathered modern day terrorism. It's a fact. If you dispute that, go cry and pound sand about 10/7 elsewhere.

My, what a contortionist you are!

You called for genocide of Zionists, which includes virtually every Israeli.

So the equivalent is not, as you argue, calling for the elimination of Hamas; rather, the equivalent would be calling for genocide of Palestinians.

Evil, hypocritical, and not particularly capable, all in one neat little package.

Thanks for so ably demonstrating the true colors and the limitations of the pro-Palestinian movement. Much appreciated.

Also, to add, I believe it's possible to be Israeli, support the right of Israel to exist, and yet not be a racist, intolerant, POS Zionist. In fact, I hope that most of Israel is comprised of people like that - proud Israelis who don't support the apartheid, war crime actions of their government.

Tryin' to redirect from the calls for genocide of all Zionists?

Keep flailing--it's quite amusing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

Yeah, I do. If they have been proven to have happened (beyond the UN statements I saw yesterday that were not quite definitive), I was wrong to have suggested the evidence would prove otherwise. Mea culpa.

Never denied.

Still. Need to eliminate all Zionists. Then there will be peace.

And a call for genocide.

Lovely.

I wouldn't be supportive of the elimination of any group of people without much more granular information, but how is this different than calling for the mass elimination of Hamas? You understand that Zionism is viewed as an unapologetically violent, vicious, inhumane, and racist ideology, right?

Zionism is abhorrent. It's NOT simply about creating and sustaining a Jewish homeland, unless you want to pretend that the ends justify the means - no matter how violent, viciously cruel, inhumane and racist those means were/are.

Hamas is obviously abhorrent, as well. But let's not pretend that subjugated people seeking any means necessary[u] to try to achieve their goals isn't an accusation that can comfortably describe the actions of both of these groups. In fact, Zionism fathered modern day terrorism. It's a fact. If you dispute that, go cry and pound sand about 10/7 elsewhere.

My, what a contortionist you are!

You called for genocide of Zionists, which includes virtually every Israeli.

So the equivalent is not, as you argue, calling for the elimination of Hamas; rather, the equivalent would be calling for genocide of Palestinians.

Evil, hypocritical, and not particularly capable, all in one neat little package.

Thanks for so ably demonstrating the true colors and the limitations of the pro-Palestinian movement. Much appreciated.

I think you (willfully?) misrepresent the PP's position. Palestinians have and have always had rights. Under UN Resolution 194, they have the right of return or fair compensation for their stolen property. Their brutal eviction and removal to make way for the state of Israel was undeniably ethnic cleansing. If you support what Zionists have done (and continue to do) to the Palestinians, you can't credibly condemn 10/7.

The problem now is what to do about a long and ongoing history of genocidal Zionist atrocities, Palestinian subjugation, and outbursts of Palestinian rage. Relations between the two groups are as bad as they've been in 76 years, and nobody has yet come up with a workable solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

Yeah, I do. If they have been proven to have happened (beyond the UN statements I saw yesterday that were not quite definitive), I was wrong to have suggested the evidence would prove otherwise. Mea culpa.

Never denied.

Still. Need to eliminate all Zionists. Then there will be peace.

And a call for genocide.

Lovely.

I wouldn't be supportive of the elimination of any group of people without much more granular information, but how is this different than calling for the mass elimination of Hamas? You understand that Zionism is viewed as an unapologetically violent, vicious, inhumane, and racist ideology, right?

Zionism is abhorrent. It's NOT simply about creating and sustaining a Jewish homeland, unless you want to pretend that the ends justify the means - no matter how violent, viciously cruel, inhumane and racist those means were/are.

Hamas is obviously abhorrent, as well. But let's not pretend that subjugated people seeking any means necessary[u] to try to achieve their goals isn't an accusation that can comfortably describe the actions of both of these groups. In fact, Zionism fathered modern day terrorism. It's a fact. If you dispute that, go cry and pound sand about 10/7 elsewhere.

My, what a contortionist you are!

You called for genocide of Zionists, which includes virtually every Israeli.

So the equivalent is not, as you argue, calling for the elimination of Hamas; rather, the equivalent would be calling for genocide of Palestinians.

Evil, hypocritical, and not particularly capable, all in one neat little package.

Thanks for so ably demonstrating the true colors and the limitations of the pro-Palestinian movement. Much appreciated.

Also, to add, I believe it's possible to be Israeli, support the right of Israel to exist, and yet not be a racist, intolerant, POS Zionist. In fact, I hope that most of Israel is comprised of people like that - proud Israelis who don't support the apartheid, war crime actions of their government.

If you support the right of Israel to exist, you’re a Zionist. Congrats/ So which is it?