Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Amos Hochstein, special envoy from President Biden, is in Lebanon to help find a "diplomatic solution" to the Israeli - Hezbollah conflict.

Completely serious question: As Americans, are we just completely oblivious to how outrageously comical it seems that the only people we send to the Middle East to broker peace happen to be Jewish? This guy is an Israeli-American businessman, diplomat, and former lobbyist, per his profile. Really?

Every person we put on ME diplomatic duty seems to be Jewish. Are we for real? I mean, seriously? Are we for real? Do we think it doesn't seem offensive and outrageous to the people we're trying to coax into a deal?

How would everyone feel if we sent Rashida Tlaib over to the ME with full U.S. authority to force a long-term settlement between Israel and the Palestinians? But the Palestinians and Lebanese are supposed to be A-OK that the U.S. is being represented by an Israeli with full U.S. authority to broker peace?

This is like a fever dream. What is going on???

It's just a comical as Kamala's recent ceasefire call.

Well we wouldn’t feel good, because Tlaib is a moron

Amos Hochstein could be a great guy, I don't know much about him. But an Israeli citizen and former IDF soldier is not a good mediator in this situation and there is an obvious appearance of bias. The US should have sent someone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed beyond sad. The whole world just looks on - utterly depressing ugh. But you know this is the story of ME. For both Israel really and Palestine. It will always be someone on either side hurt. But I will say that this time around, it's beyond words.

The people here who keep harping Hamas created this current situation will go to H. They surely will because they are for killing the innocent and that is never ever just. Ultimately I feel that the pain just transfers depending on time between both people. I fear that one day this immense pain felt by Arabs will undoubtedly bounce back to Israel. Maybe even US and the world for allowing this to even happen.

This is a dark time when you really lose faith that there is a higher power really. I would suggest this is Palestines holocaust. Seriously. Hamas may have started it but what Israel is doing is genocide of a people pure and simple which the US has assisted.

the Palestinians Holocaust? Remind me, when did the Jews mass slaughter aryan Germans and take hundreds of hostages, resulting in Hitler and eichmann designing the final solution? Oh wait, that never happened. Moronic comparison. If this is a Palestinian Holocaust, Hamas is Hitler in your analogy.

The Russian Revolution was largely led by communist Jews and that killed 11 million people and largely sowed the seeds for Nazis to rise in the first place for fear that Jews were leftists wanting a communist takeover .

I guess you can say it was an atheist revolution but really everybody knows that Marxism was Jewish in foundation .


The idea that Jews are just docile lambs throughout history isn’t accurate

This is false. The majority of the leaders and the majority of the participants of the Russian revolution were non-Jews. Lenin and Stalin were not Jews, as notable examples. However, Putin has for example falsely spread a completely bogus talking point that "80-85% of the first Soviet government was Jewish" pointing to the handful of Jews that were involved, like Leon Trotsky. However, the reality is that Jews were very much a small minority. And in fact many of the Jews like Trotsky were purged by Stalin beginning in the 1920s, and it is Stalin, not "The Jews" who was responsible for the majority of the 11 million killed. The 11 million killed included many Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed beyond sad. The whole world just looks on - utterly depressing ugh. But you know this is the story of ME. For both Israel really and Palestine. It will always be someone on either side hurt. But I will say that this time around, it's beyond words.

The people here who keep harping Hamas created this current situation will go to H. They surely will because they are for killing the innocent and that is never ever just. Ultimately I feel that the pain just transfers depending on time between both people. I fear that one day this immense pain felt by Arabs will undoubtedly bounce back to Israel. Maybe even US and the world for allowing this to even happen.

This is a dark time when you really lose faith that there is a higher power really. I would suggest this is Palestines holocaust. Seriously. Hamas may have started it but what Israel is doing is genocide of a people pure and simple which the US has assisted.

the Palestinians Holocaust? Remind me, when did the Jews mass slaughter aryan Germans and take hundreds of hostages, resulting in Hitler and eichmann designing the final solution? Oh wait, that never happened. Moronic comparison. If this is a Palestinian Holocaust, Hamas is Hitler in your analogy.

Don't forget what preceded 10/7, which was the Nakba, a genocide in itself. Since the Nakba, Israel has continued to abuse Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Zionists have been trying to erase Palestinians for decades.

Don't forget what preceded the Nakba, which was the immediate rejection of the League of Nations agreement to partition the British-administered territory of Palestine to create a nation of Israel. The Arabs began an immediate uprising, first a civil war and then organized neighboring Arab states to try to conquer the designated Israeli lands and genocidally exterminate the Jews. You falsely portray the Nakba as having happened in a complete vacuum and ignore the fact that it was the result of a genocidal war that the Arabs started.

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Anonymous wrote:The first DCUM forum I was on over ten years ago was the Infertility support forum. The story of this woman, who had twin babies after three rounds of IVF and 10 years of trying to start a family, particularly touched me.

Both her babies, who were 4 months old, her husband, sister, nephew, and other relatives were killed in a bombing in Rafah on Saturday.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-children-twins-killed-gaza-25282b273b92aec7fc75c3212f8d8e3f

That’s especially sad. You really cherish your children more when you work so hard to get them.

I would want to be dead if I lost my family in seconds like that .

I really think suicide bombings will come back to Israel if grief counseling and other options are not available. So many people are focused on the physical needs only like food and water and shelter but war creates psychological trauma. The Israeli hostages will have free therapy for life and are already in the processes of recovery but who will be there for the Palestinians who are suffering mentally from this war?

That’s because israel has normal societal values and priortiizes their citizens well being.

I can tell you who doesn’t care about Palestinian psychological trauma: Hamas. Tortured Palestinians only perpetuate their cause and PR. Hamas for two decades has siphoned away aid and resources into building an extensive terrorism network.

the whole thing is f**cked.

Israel is intentionally starving 1.5 million people right now. Those are not normal societal values. I'd like to think that it's just the 10% that are straight up Jewish Supremacists that are doing this BUT the silence is deafening.

And why is not on Hamas to surrender and release the f**cking hostages? They rejected a ceasefire last week.

The Israelis government does not want the f#$king hostages back. I guess the Israel government realizes you do not let a few hostages stop you from do what you want. If the Israelis government does not care about getting the hostages back why do you? Specially after killing 32,000 people what’s a few hundred more..right?

You're insane or stupid. Israel has repeatedly asked for the return of the hostages, and has been putting troops lives at risk based on tips and intel but keeps coming up empty because Hamas is still very much active and able to move them around and keep them hidden.

Idf is definitely not putting their soldiers ar huge risk. They could’ve easily done what Us did in Iraq and break doors down and do a run n gun operation.

Israel overly relies on aerial bombing and that leads to more civilian deaths . No war in history is ever won without a good ground strategy.

First off, Israel dragged its feet in even sending foot soldiers in on not just 10/7 but the entire month of October.

The Gaza Strip is tiny. All of the hostages and Hamas captives could’ve easily been found if they went inside Gaza for a ground operation on October 8. At that point, Hamas had to have still been organizing how to divvy up all the hostages and what to do since they took so many.

The IDF waited forever to get inside Isrsel or Gaza and never wants to confront Hamas to their face when the opportunity is ripe.

It is far from a heroic army that puts themselves at risk. Their army is good for stripping people down, beating them up, shooting children, people with white flags including Israelis.

Israelis army needs better training .

You are clueless or dishonest. Do you know what's involved in the kind of door-to-door search would entail? Door to door fighting. Hamas snipers. IEDs. Ambushes. No risk? You truly are either the most dishonest poster here, or you are the most clueless and idiotic.

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Anonymous wrote:The first DCUM forum I was on over ten years ago was the Infertility support forum. The story of this woman, who had twin babies after three rounds of IVF and 10 years of trying to start a family, particularly touched me.

Both her babies, who were 4 months old, her husband, sister, nephew, and other relatives were killed in a bombing in Rafah on Saturday.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-children-twins-killed-gaza-25282b273b92aec7fc75c3212f8d8e3f

That’s especially sad. You really cherish your children more when you work so hard to get them.

I would want to be dead if I lost my family in seconds like that .

I really think suicide bombings will come back to Israel if grief counseling and other options are not available. So many people are focused on the physical needs only like food and water and shelter but war creates psychological trauma. The Israeli hostages will have free therapy for life and are already in the processes of recovery but who will be there for the Palestinians who are suffering mentally from this war?

That’s because israel has normal societal values and priortiizes their citizens well being.

I can tell you who doesn’t care about Palestinian psychological trauma: Hamas. Tortured Palestinians only perpetuate their cause and PR. Hamas for two decades has siphoned away aid and resources into building an extensive terrorism network.

the whole thing is f**cked.

Israel is intentionally starving 1.5 million people right now. Those are not normal societal values. I'd like to think that it's just the 10% that are straight up Jewish Supremacists that are doing this BUT the silence is deafening.

And why is not on Hamas to surrender and release the f**cking hostages? They rejected a ceasefire last week.

The Israelis government does not want the f#$king hostages back. I guess the Israel government realizes you do not let a few hostages stop you from do what you want. If the Israelis government does not care about getting the hostages back why do you? Specially after killing 32,000 people what’s a few hundred more..right?

You're insane or stupid. Israel has repeatedly asked for the return of the hostages, and has been putting troops lives at risk based on tips and intel but keeps coming up empty because Hamas is still very much active and able to move them around and keep them hidden.

Idf is definitely not putting their soldiers ar huge risk. They could’ve easily done what Us did in Iraq and break doors down and do a run n gun operation.

Israel overly relies on aerial bombing and that leads to more civilian deaths . No war in history is ever won without a good ground strategy.

First off, Israel dragged its feet in even sending foot soldiers in on not just 10/7 but the entire month of October.

The Gaza Strip is tiny. All of the hostages and Hamas captives could’ve easily been found if they went inside Gaza for a ground operation on October 8. At that point, Hamas had to have still been organizing how to divvy up all the hostages and what to do since they took so many.

The IDF waited forever to get inside Isrsel or Gaza and never wants to confront Hamas to their face when the opportunity is ripe.

It is far from a heroic army that puts themselves at risk. Their army is good for stripping people down, beating them up, shooting children, people with white flags including Israelis.

Israelis army needs better training .

You are clueless or dishonest. Do you know what's involved in the kind of door-to-door search would entail? Door to door fighting. Hamas snipers. IEDs. Ambushes. No risk? You truly are either the most dishonest poster here, or you are the most clueless and idiotic.

Probably the same dishonest a-hole who tried suggesting things in Israel are perfectly safe and peaceful despite the Palestinians raining thousands of missiles down on them every year. Sure enjoy your peaceful sleep amid air raid sirens and Hamas missiles roaring overhead, explosions as they get hit by Iron Dome interceptions, shrapnel raining down on your rooftops and streets. Yeah, perfectly safe and peaceful indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:The first DCUM forum I was on over ten years ago was the Infertility support forum. The story of this woman, who had twin babies after three rounds of IVF and 10 years of trying to start a family, particularly touched me.

Both her babies, who were 4 months old, her husband, sister, nephew, and other relatives were killed in a bombing in Rafah on Saturday.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-children-twins-killed-gaza-25282b273b92aec7fc75c3212f8d8e3f

That’s especially sad. You really cherish your children more when you work so hard to get them.

I would want to be dead if I lost my family in seconds like that .

I really think suicide bombings will come back to Israel if grief counseling and other options are not available. So many people are focused on the physical needs only like food and water and shelter but war creates psychological trauma. The Israeli hostages will have free therapy for life and are already in the processes of recovery but who will be there for the Palestinians who are suffering mentally from this war?

That’s because israel has normal societal values and priortiizes their citizens well being.

I can tell you who doesn’t care about Palestinian psychological trauma: Hamas. Tortured Palestinians only perpetuate their cause and PR. Hamas for two decades has siphoned away aid and resources into building an extensive terrorism network.

the whole thing is f**cked.

Israel is intentionally starving 1.5 million people right now. Those are not normal societal values. I'd like to think that it's just the 10% that are straight up Jewish Supremacists that are doing this BUT the silence is deafening.

And why is not on Hamas to surrender and release the f**cking hostages? They rejected a ceasefire last week.

The Israelis government does not want the f#$king hostages back. I guess the Israel government realizes you do not let a few hostages stop you from do what you want. If the Israelis government does not care about getting the hostages back why do you? Specially after killing 32,000 people what’s a few hundred more..right?

You're insane or stupid. Israel has repeatedly asked for the return of the hostages, and has been putting troops lives at risk based on tips and intel but keeps coming up empty because Hamas is still very much active and able to move them around and keep them hidden.

Idf is definitely not putting their soldiers ar huge risk. They could’ve easily done what Us did in Iraq and break doors down and do a run n gun operation.

Israel overly relies on aerial bombing and that leads to more civilian deaths . No war in history is ever won without a good ground strategy.

First off, Israel dragged its feet in even sending foot soldiers in on not just 10/7 but the entire month of October.

The Gaza Strip is tiny. All of the hostages and Hamas captives could’ve easily been found if they went inside Gaza for a ground operation on October 8. At that point, Hamas had to have still been organizing how to divvy up all the hostages and what to do since they took so many.

The IDF waited forever to get inside Isrsel or Gaza and never wants to confront Hamas to their face when the opportunity is ripe.

It is far from a heroic army that puts themselves at risk. Their army is good for stripping people down, beating them up, shooting children, people with white flags including Israelis.

Israelis army needs better training .

You are clueless or dishonest. Do you know what's involved in the kind of door-to-door search would entail? Door to door fighting. Hamas snipers. IEDs. Ambushes. No risk? You truly are either the most dishonest poster here, or you are the most clueless and idiotic.

Probably the same dishonest a-hole who tried suggesting things in Israel are perfectly safe and peaceful despite the Palestinians raining thousands of missiles down on them every year. Sure enjoy your peaceful sleep amid air raid sirens and Hamas missiles roaring overhead, explosions as they get hit by Iron Dome interceptions, shrapnel raining down on your rooftops and streets. Yeah, perfectly safe and peaceful indeed.

And were it not for the Iron Dome, thousands of Israelis would be dying every year. But since those Hamas missiles are being intercepted before they can blow up in urban centers, that somehow means the Palestinians are totally peaceful and non-violent, amirite?

[Anonymous]

Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

Yeah, I do. If they have been proven to have happened (beyond the UN statements I saw yesterday that were not quite definitive), I was wrong to have suggested the evidence would prove otherwise. Mea culpa.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

Yeah, I do. If they have been proven to have happened (beyond the UN statements I saw yesterday that were not quite definitive), I was wrong to have suggested the evidence would prove otherwise. Mea culpa.

Never denied.

Still. Need to eliminate all Zionists. Then there will be peace.

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Anonymous wrote:The first DCUM forum I was on over ten years ago was the Infertility support forum. The story of this woman, who had twin babies after three rounds of IVF and 10 years of trying to start a family, particularly touched me.

Both her babies, who were 4 months old, her husband, sister, nephew, and other relatives were killed in a bombing in Rafah on Saturday.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-children-twins-killed-gaza-25282b273b92aec7fc75c3212f8d8e3f

That’s especially sad. You really cherish your children more when you work so hard to get them.

I would want to be dead if I lost my family in seconds like that .

I really think suicide bombings will come back to Israel if grief counseling and other options are not available. So many people are focused on the physical needs only like food and water and shelter but war creates psychological trauma. The Israeli hostages will have free therapy for life and are already in the processes of recovery but who will be there for the Palestinians who are suffering mentally from this war?

That’s because israel has normal societal values and priortiizes their citizens well being.

I can tell you who doesn’t care about Palestinian psychological trauma: Hamas. Tortured Palestinians only perpetuate their cause and PR. Hamas for two decades has siphoned away aid and resources into building an extensive terrorism network.

the whole thing is f**cked.

Israel is intentionally starving 1.5 million people right now. Those are not normal societal values. I'd like to think that it's just the 10% that are straight up Jewish Supremacists that are doing this BUT the silence is deafening.

And why is not on Hamas to surrender and release the f**cking hostages? They rejected a ceasefire last week.

The Israelis government does not want the f#$king hostages back. I guess the Israel government realizes you do not let a few hostages stop you from do what you want. If the Israelis government does not care about getting the hostages back why do you? Specially after killing 32,000 people what’s a few hundred more..right?

You're insane or stupid. Israel has repeatedly asked for the return of the hostages, and has been putting troops lives at risk based on tips and intel but keeps coming up empty because Hamas is still very much active and able to move them around and keep them hidden.

Idf is definitely not putting their soldiers ar huge risk. They could’ve easily done what Us did in Iraq and break doors down and do a run n gun operation.

Israel overly relies on aerial bombing and that leads to more civilian deaths . No war in history is ever won without a good ground strategy.

First off, Israel dragged its feet in even sending foot soldiers in on not just 10/7 but the entire month of October.

The Gaza Strip is tiny. All of the hostages and Hamas captives could’ve easily been found if they went inside Gaza for a ground operation on October 8. At that point, Hamas had to have still been organizing how to divvy up all the hostages and what to do since they took so many.

The IDF waited forever to get inside Isrsel or Gaza and never wants to confront Hamas to their face when the opportunity is ripe.

It is far from a heroic army that puts themselves at risk. Their army is good for stripping people down, beating them up, shooting children, people with white flags including Israelis.

Israelis army needs better training .

You are clueless or dishonest. Do you know what's involved in the kind of door-to-door search would entail? Door to door fighting. Hamas snipers. IEDs. Ambushes. No risk? You truly are either the most dishonest poster here, or you are the most clueless and idiotic.

It would significantly shift the risks. From innocent Palestinian children to IDF soldiers. And that is what Israel was steadfastly unwilling to do.

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Anonymous wrote:The first DCUM forum I was on over ten years ago was the Infertility support forum. The story of this woman, who had twin babies after three rounds of IVF and 10 years of trying to start a family, particularly touched me.

Both her babies, who were 4 months old, her husband, sister, nephew, and other relatives were killed in a bombing in Rafah on Saturday.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-children-twins-killed-gaza-25282b273b92aec7fc75c3212f8d8e3f

That’s especially sad. You really cherish your children more when you work so hard to get them.

I would want to be dead if I lost my family in seconds like that .

I really think suicide bombings will come back to Israel if grief counseling and other options are not available. So many people are focused on the physical needs only like food and water and shelter but war creates psychological trauma. The Israeli hostages will have free therapy for life and are already in the processes of recovery but who will be there for the Palestinians who are suffering mentally from this war?

That’s because israel has normal societal values and priortiizes their citizens well being.

I can tell you who doesn’t care about Palestinian psychological trauma: Hamas. Tortured Palestinians only perpetuate their cause and PR. Hamas for two decades has siphoned away aid and resources into building an extensive terrorism network.

the whole thing is f**cked.

Israel is intentionally starving 1.5 million people right now. Those are not normal societal values. I'd like to think that it's just the 10% that are straight up Jewish Supremacists that are doing this BUT the silence is deafening.

And why is not on Hamas to surrender and release the f**cking hostages? They rejected a ceasefire last week.

The Israelis government does not want the f#$king hostages back. I guess the Israel government realizes you do not let a few hostages stop you from do what you want. If the Israelis government does not care about getting the hostages back why do you? Specially after killing 32,000 people what’s a few hundred more..right?

You're insane or stupid. Israel has repeatedly asked for the return of the hostages, and has been putting troops lives at risk based on tips and intel but keeps coming up empty because Hamas is still very much active and able to move them around and keep them hidden.

Idf is definitely not putting their soldiers ar huge risk. They could’ve easily done what Us did in Iraq and break doors down and do a run n gun operation.

Israel overly relies on aerial bombing and that leads to more civilian deaths . No war in history is ever won without a good ground strategy.

First off, Israel dragged its feet in even sending foot soldiers in on not just 10/7 but the entire month of October.

The Gaza Strip is tiny. All of the hostages and Hamas captives could’ve easily been found if they went inside Gaza for a ground operation on October 8. At that point, Hamas had to have still been organizing how to divvy up all the hostages and what to do since they took so many.

The IDF waited forever to get inside Isrsel or Gaza and never wants to confront Hamas to their face when the opportunity is ripe.

It is far from a heroic army that puts themselves at risk. Their army is good for stripping people down, beating them up, shooting children, people with white flags including Israelis.

Israelis army needs better training .

You are clueless or dishonest. Do you know what's involved in the kind of door-to-door search would entail? Door to door fighting. Hamas snipers. IEDs. Ambushes. No risk? You truly are either the most dishonest poster here, or you are the most clueless and idiotic.

You mean like Marines had to do in Fallujah? Western armies take those risks because the level of civilians casualties when you bomb refugee camps is unacceptable. I guess the IDF just isn't as modern or capable as they like to pretend

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed beyond sad. The whole world just looks on - utterly depressing ugh. But you know this is the story of ME. For both Israel really and Palestine. It will always be someone on either side hurt. But I will say that this time around, it's beyond words.

The people here who keep harping Hamas created this current situation will go to H. They surely will because they are for killing the innocent and that is never ever just. Ultimately I feel that the pain just transfers depending on time between both people. I fear that one day this immense pain felt by Arabs will undoubtedly bounce back to Israel. Maybe even US and the world for allowing this to even happen.

This is a dark time when you really lose faith that there is a higher power really. I would suggest this is Palestines holocaust. Seriously. Hamas may have started it but what Israel is doing is genocide of a people pure and simple which the US has assisted.

the Palestinians Holocaust? Remind me, when did the Jews mass slaughter aryan Germans and take hundreds of hostages, resulting in Hitler and eichmann designing the final solution? Oh wait, that never happened. Moronic comparison. If this is a Palestinian Holocaust, Hamas is Hitler in your analogy.

Don't forget what preceded 10/7, which was the Nakba, a genocide in itself. Since the Nakba, Israel has continued to abuse Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Zionists have been trying to erase Palestinians for decades.

Don't forget what preceded the Nakba, which was the immediate rejection of the League of Nations agreement to partition the British-administered territory of Palestine to create a nation of Israel. The Arabs began an immediate uprising, first a civil war and then organized neighboring Arab states to try to conquer the designated Israeli lands and genocidally exterminate the Jews. You falsely portray the Nakba as having happened in a complete vacuum and ignore the fact that it was the result of a genocidal war that the Arabs started.

+1

The Palestinians-as-innocent-martyrs narrative is a grotesque distortion of history.

Plenty of blame to go around in this mess.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

Yeah, I do. If they have been proven to have happened (beyond the UN statements I saw yesterday that were not quite definitive), I was wrong to have suggested the evidence would prove otherwise. Mea culpa.

Never denied.

Still. Need to eliminate all Zionists. Then there will be peace.

And a call for genocide.

Lovely.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread want to offer a Mae culpa for denying the rapes that occurred that the U.N. confirmed? Both on 10/7 and in captivity? Anyone?

Anyone want to offer a mea culpa for accusing the UNWRA or whatever of being members of Hamas that the U.C. again refuted yesterday? Anyone?

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Anonymous wrote:The first DCUM forum I was on over ten years ago was the Infertility support forum. The story of this woman, who had twin babies after three rounds of IVF and 10 years of trying to start a family, particularly touched me.

Both her babies, who were 4 months old, her husband, sister, nephew, and other relatives were killed in a bombing in Rafah on Saturday.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-children-twins-killed-gaza-25282b273b92aec7fc75c3212f8d8e3f

That’s especially sad. You really cherish your children more when you work so hard to get them.

I would want to be dead if I lost my family in seconds like that .

I really think suicide bombings will come back to Israel if grief counseling and other options are not available. So many people are focused on the physical needs only like food and water and shelter but war creates psychological trauma. The Israeli hostages will have free therapy for life and are already in the processes of recovery but who will be there for the Palestinians who are suffering mentally from this war?

That’s because israel has normal societal values and priortiizes their citizens well being.

I can tell you who doesn’t care about Palestinian psychological trauma: Hamas. Tortured Palestinians only perpetuate their cause and PR. Hamas for two decades has siphoned away aid and resources into building an extensive terrorism network.

the whole thing is f**cked.

Israel is intentionally starving 1.5 million people right now. Those are not normal societal values. I'd like to think that it's just the 10% that are straight up Jewish Supremacists that are doing this BUT the silence is deafening.

And why is not on Hamas to surrender and release the f**cking hostages? They rejected a ceasefire last week.

The Israelis government does not want the f#$king hostages back. I guess the Israel government realizes you do not let a few hostages stop you from do what you want. If the Israelis government does not care about getting the hostages back why do you? Specially after killing 32,000 people what’s a few hundred more..right?

You're insane or stupid. Israel has repeatedly asked for the return of the hostages, and has been putting troops lives at risk based on tips and intel but keeps coming up empty because Hamas is still very much active and able to move them around and keep them hidden.

Idf is definitely not putting their soldiers ar huge risk. They could’ve easily done what Us did in Iraq and break doors down and do a run n gun operation.

Israel overly relies on aerial bombing and that leads to more civilian deaths . No war in history is ever won without a good ground strategy.

First off, Israel dragged its feet in even sending foot soldiers in on not just 10/7 but the entire month of October.

The Gaza Strip is tiny. All of the hostages and Hamas captives could’ve easily been found if they went inside Gaza for a ground operation on October 8. At that point, Hamas had to have still been organizing how to divvy up all the hostages and what to do since they took so many.

The IDF waited forever to get inside Isrsel or Gaza and never wants to confront Hamas to their face when the opportunity is ripe.

It is far from a heroic army that puts themselves at risk. Their army is good for stripping people down, beating them up, shooting children, people with white flags including Israelis.

Israelis army needs better training .

You are clueless or dishonest. Do you know what's involved in the kind of door-to-door search would entail? Door to door fighting. Hamas snipers. IEDs. Ambushes. No risk? You truly are either the most dishonest poster here, or you are the most clueless and idiotic.

You mean like Marines had to do in Fallujah? Western armies take those risks because the level of civilians casualties when you bomb refugee camps is unacceptable. I guess the IDF just isn't as modern or capable as they like to pretend

Or maybe they just don’t care. After all, in their minds they’re only killing human animals, not real people. They even acknowledged that they bomb for maximum damage, not accuracy. This is part of the process of erasing Palestinians so they can steal more of their land. This has been the Zionist MO from the start.