Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Just to review: the NYT is trash, not to be trusted. But Perez Hilton and the Daily Mail are infallible.

Go JB! xoxo

Well let’s take inventory. The NYT ran the Baldoni hit piece with the sham subpoena as cover. The Daily Mail did actual investigative journalism exposing the sham subpoena. The NYT still hasn’t reported on the sham subpoena and probably won’t. The Daily Fail may be a tabloid, but even a broke clock is right twice a day.

And to prove how fake this was from the get-go and how it's standard operating procedure at The Times, that hack Megan Twohey is not only not fired, she'll be promoted and/or rewarded with a windfall from Hollywood for being a good foot soldier.

It's also worth noting Twohey is from Washington and is a GU alum. It's not out of the question she is on her personally spinning.

Omg. You so, so, so want to believe you are on here interacting with celebrities and important journalists and not just housewives and moms. You’re so adamant that there aren’t bots or seeded stories against Lively, but one of you thought Lively herself was posting in here, and now Twohey. 👌

DP. I think it's well established that the ENTIRE REASON for this drama is that Blake was upset that randos were saying mean things about her on the internet. We don't know which randos she was upset about and it doesn't really matter. It confirms that she is, indeed, looking at the internet for gossip about herself. So I dont think its out of bounds for anyone to wonder if she reads this.

Yup, another Baldoni supporter who thinks Blake Lively is reading this dcum thread! You guys are something else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to review: the NYT is trash, not to be trusted. But Perez Hilton and the Daily Mail are infallible.

Go JB! xoxo

Well let’s take inventory. The NYT ran the Baldoni hit piece with the sham subpoena as cover. The Daily Mail did actual investigative journalism exposing the sham subpoena. The NYT still hasn’t reported on the sham subpoena and probably won’t. The Daily Fail may be a tabloid, but even a broke clock is right twice a day.

And to prove how fake this was from the get-go and how it's standard operating procedure at The Times, that hack Megan Twohey is not only not fired, she'll be promoted and/or rewarded with a windfall from Hollywood for being a good foot soldier.

It's also worth noting Twohey is from Washington and is a GU alum. It's not out of the question she is on her personally spinning.

No. She will be mocked and judged by other NYT reporters for messing this stupid non-story up and being blinded into thinking she’s a celebrity insider and friends/confidants with the Blakes of the world.

Totally agree with you. The pp is being nuts. The journalist will be disgraced. I feel bad for her. She was duped

Disgraced? Y'all are naive as hell. Is Jake Tapper disgraced running point for senile Biden? He’s still paid millions a year, still an CNN star, and was just given a multi-million book deal detailing he knew all along Biden was losing his mind (in contrast to his actual coverage on CNN!).

Twohey has not and will not be fired. She will become a multi-millionaire, if she isn’t already, off a career peddling bullshit.

I agree with this take. There's a big market for sleazy journalists who are willing to spin. She just raised her profile as someone willing to lie for profit. Her future is secure.

Former celebrity PR here who worked with tabloids like DM a lot. Twohey will work but its going to be a huge downgrade from NYT. Blake's PR here is so abysmal she could win this suit in a year from now and it makes no difference. She should fire all of them and get competent pros, though I suspect she and Ryan basically go rogue. I almost face planted seeing that SNL stunt. They just...could not be doing as poorly as they have. The lawyers can bicker about MTDs and POs all they want but this is an effing DUMPSTER FIRE situation (which is cool, I made the big bucks off of stuff like this!). But theu need to get better control of the narrative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to review: the NYT is trash, not to be trusted. But Perez Hilton and the Daily Mail are infallible.

Go JB! xoxo

Well let’s take inventory. The NYT ran the Baldoni hit piece with the sham subpoena as cover. The Daily Mail did actual investigative journalism exposing the sham subpoena. The NYT still hasn’t reported on the sham subpoena and probably won’t. The Daily Fail may be a tabloid, but even a broke clock is right twice a day.

And to prove how fake this was from the get-go and how it's standard operating procedure at The Times, that hack Megan Twohey is not only not fired, she'll be promoted and/or rewarded with a windfall from Hollywood for being a good foot soldier.

It's also worth noting Twohey is from Washington and is a GU alum. It's not out of the question she is on her personally spinning.

No. She will be mocked and judged by other NYT reporters for messing this stupid non-story up and being blinded into thinking she’s a celebrity insider and friends/confidants with the Blakes of the world.

Totally agree with you. The pp is being nuts. The journalist will be disgraced. I feel bad for her. She was duped

Disgraced? Y'all are naive as hell. Is Jake Tapper disgraced running point for senile Biden? He’s still paid millions a year, still an CNN star, and was just given a multi-million book deal detailing he knew all along Biden was losing his mind (in contrast to his actual coverage on CNN!).

Twohey has not and will not be fired. She will become a multi-millionaire, if she isn’t already, off a career peddling bullshit.

You clearly don’t understand this world. It’s fine. I’m not saying she’ll be fired but she will be put on ice and this will be a major hit to her credibility. She’s not going to become a ‘multi millionaire’ off this. I don’t think you understand News or journalism at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to review: the NYT is trash, not to be trusted. But Perez Hilton and the Daily Mail are infallible.

Go JB! xoxo

Well let’s take inventory. The NYT ran the Baldoni hit piece with the sham subpoena as cover. The Daily Mail did actual investigative journalism exposing the sham subpoena. The NYT still hasn’t reported on the sham subpoena and probably won’t. The Daily Fail may be a tabloid, but even a broke clock is right twice a day.

And to prove how fake this was from the get-go and how it's standard operating procedure at The Times, that hack Megan Twohey is not only not fired, she'll be promoted and/or rewarded with a windfall from Hollywood for being a good foot soldier.

It's also worth noting Twohey is from Washington and is a GU alum. It's not out of the question she is on her personally spinning.

No. She will be mocked and judged by other NYT reporters for messing this stupid non-story up and being blinded into thinking she’s a celebrity insider and friends/confidants with the Blakes of the world.

Totally agree with you. The pp is being nuts. The journalist will be disgraced. I feel bad for her. She was duped

Disgraced? Y'all are naive as hell. Is Jake Tapper disgraced running point for senile Biden? He’s still paid millions a year, still an CNN star, and was just given a multi-million book deal detailing he knew all along Biden was losing his mind (in contrast to his actual coverage on CNN!).

Twohey has not and will not be fired. She will become a multi-millionaire, if she isn’t already, off a career peddling bullshit.

We're talking about professional reputation among people who know about these things, not about money/fame. No real journalist (or readers of serious journalism) think Jake Tapper is anything other than an entertainer, or that CNN is much more than dismaying fear-hype-drama. The NYT reporter may well continue to have wealth and fame but this is a major hit to her prior credibility as a Serious Reporter and that is something totally different. IYKYK.

Okay, well you gatekeep that Trusted Reporter bit (and good luck finding anyone member of the public willing to actually extend that trust to the media) while Jake and Ms Twohey rake in the cash. I'm sure she'll reserve some of that cash to wipe her tears about being the target of professional jealousy.

Twohey is a writer/journalist. This is not a super high paying profession. I think you are clueless

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to review: the NYT is trash, not to be trusted. But Perez Hilton and the Daily Mail are infallible.

Go JB! xoxo

Well let’s take inventory. The NYT ran the Baldoni hit piece with the sham subpoena as cover. The Daily Mail did actual investigative journalism exposing the sham subpoena. The NYT still hasn’t reported on the sham subpoena and probably won’t. The Daily Fail may be a tabloid, but even a broke clock is right twice a day.

And to prove how fake this was from the get-go and how it's standard operating procedure at The Times, that hack Megan Twohey is not only not fired, she'll be promoted and/or rewarded with a windfall from Hollywood for being a good foot soldier.

It's also worth noting Twohey is from Washington and is a GU alum. It's not out of the question she is on her personally spinning.

No. She will be mocked and judged by other NYT reporters for messing this stupid non-story up and being blinded into thinking she’s a celebrity insider and friends/confidants with the Blakes of the world.

Totally agree with you. The pp is being nuts. The journalist will be disgraced. I feel bad for her. She was duped

Disgraced? Y'all are naive as hell. Is Jake Tapper disgraced running point for senile Biden? He’s still paid millions a year, still an CNN star, and was just given a multi-million book deal detailing he knew all along Biden was losing his mind (in contrast to his actual coverage on CNN!).

Twohey has not and will not be fired. She will become a multi-millionaire, if she isn’t already, off a career peddling bullshit.

I agree with this take. There's a big market for sleazy journalists who are willing to spin. She just raised her profile as someone willing to lie for profit. Her future is secure.

Former celebrity PR here who worked with tabloids like DM a lot. Twohey will work but its going to be a huge downgrade from NYT. Blake's PR here is so abysmal she could win this suit in a year from now and it makes no difference. She should fire all of them and get competent pros, though I suspect she and Ryan basically go rogue. I almost face planted seeing that SNL stunt. They just...could not be doing as poorly as they have. The lawyers can bicker about MTDs and POs all they want but this is an effing DUMPSTER FIRE situation (which is cool, I made the big bucks off of stuff like this!). But theu need to get better control of the narrative.

Finally a sane poster. BL needs to settle this and find a way to move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are so many journalists taking Blake's side and insistent on this notion that pro-Baldoni supporters are alt-righters? It's ridiculous. There was that mommy sleuths article in Glamour. And the latest dumb take is from Slate, by Heather Schwedel:

"It’s Lively contention that the public’s sudden dislike for her didn’t spring out of nowhere and in fact had a clear cause: a smear campaign orchestrated by her It Ends With Us director and co-star Justin Baldoni and his associates. She filed a legal complaint against them in December, alleging that the effort to ruin her reputation was retaliation for Lively speaking out about the uncomfortable environment on the film’s set. Baldoni fought back, filing a lawsuit against the New York Times, which reported on Lively’s complaint, as well as Lively herself, alleging that their conflict was a result not of his misconduct but her efforts to wrest control of the movie from him. Initially, Lively seemed to seize back some goodwill and prompt reflection among some of the people who had joined the pile-on against her, but as the weeks wore on, public reaction congealed into something else entirely: Support for Baldoni built into a full-fledged online movement, with the flames fanned by right-wingers taking up the cause and Baldoni’s own legal team, which fed his supporters a steady stream of content on which to perform half-baked analysis. Every new bit of information only confirmed their belief in Baldoni’s innocence. When, for instance, Baldoni’s side released a rambling, apologetic, over-familiar voice note he recorded for Lively during filming, it didn’t matter that many reasonable people were creeped out by it—to Baldoni supporters, it was yet more evidence of Lively’s lies."

https://slate.com/life/2025/05/blake-lively-justin-baldoni-ryan-reynolds-lawsuit.html

I don’t understand the take that Blake was popular before all this. She had a series of total bomb movies prior to this movie. A simple favor was moderately successful, but it was very much an ensemble with Anna Kendrick, who has made over 400 billion at the box office, and again, the movie was moderately successful.

Her lifestyle brand had failed before that, and she had a bunch of other box office failures. She threw a lot of money in a campaign to get the Barbie roll and that failed. She tried to do another lifestyle brand and that failed. I just don’t get this take the Blake was popular. She married well and was friends with Taylor, but now that’s over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are so many journalists taking Blake's side and insistent on this notion that pro-Baldoni supporters are alt-righters? It's ridiculous. There was that mommy sleuths article in Glamour. And the latest dumb take is from Slate, by Heather Schwedel:

"It’s Lively contention that the public’s sudden dislike for her didn’t spring out of nowhere and in fact had a clear cause: a smear campaign orchestrated by her It Ends With Us director and co-star Justin Baldoni and his associates. She filed a legal complaint against them in December, alleging that the effort to ruin her reputation was retaliation for Lively speaking out about the uncomfortable environment on the film’s set. Baldoni fought back, filing a lawsuit against the New York Times, which reported on Lively’s complaint, as well as Lively herself, alleging that their conflict was a result not of his misconduct but her efforts to wrest control of the movie from him. Initially, Lively seemed to seize back some goodwill and prompt reflection among some of the people who had joined the pile-on against her, but as the weeks wore on, public reaction congealed into something else entirely: Support for Baldoni built into a full-fledged online movement, with the flames fanned by right-wingers taking up the cause and Baldoni’s own legal team, which fed his supporters a steady stream of content on which to perform half-baked analysis. Every new bit of information only confirmed their belief in Baldoni’s innocence. When, for instance, Baldoni’s side released a rambling, apologetic, over-familiar voice note he recorded for Lively during filming, it didn’t matter that many reasonable people were creeped out by it—to Baldoni supporters, it was yet more evidence of Lively’s lies."

https://slate.com/life/2025/05/blake-lively-justin-baldoni-ryan-reynolds-lawsuit.html

I don’t understand the take that Blake was popular before all this. She had a series of total bomb movies prior to this movie. A simple favor was moderately successful, but it was very much an ensemble with Anna Kendrick, who has made over 400 billion at the box office, and again, the movie was moderately successful.

Her lifestyle brand had failed before that, and she had a bunch of other box office failures. She threw a lot of money in a campaign to get the Barbie roll and that failed. She tried to do another lifestyle brand and that failed. I just don’t get this take the Blake was popular. She married well and was friends with Taylor, but now that’s over.

It's puzzling to me, too. The last I remember her being a big thing was during "Gossip Gi" around 2010. After that, she has mostly been known for being married to Ryan Reynolds. But someone here wants us to think she has a huge following.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are so many journalists taking Blake's side and insistent on this notion that pro-Baldoni supporters are alt-righters? It's ridiculous. There was that mommy sleuths article in Glamour. And the latest dumb take is from Slate, by Heather Schwedel:

"It’s Lively contention that the public’s sudden dislike for her didn’t spring out of nowhere and in fact had a clear cause: a smear campaign orchestrated by her It Ends With Us director and co-star Justin Baldoni and his associates. She filed a legal complaint against them in December, alleging that the effort to ruin her reputation was retaliation for Lively speaking out about the uncomfortable environment on the film’s set. Baldoni fought back, filing a lawsuit against the New York Times, which reported on Lively’s complaint, as well as Lively herself, alleging that their conflict was a result not of his misconduct but her efforts to wrest control of the movie from him. Initially, Lively seemed to seize back some goodwill and prompt reflection among some of the people who had joined the pile-on against her, but as the weeks wore on, public reaction congealed into something else entirely: Support for Baldoni built into a full-fledged online movement, with the flames fanned by right-wingers taking up the cause and Baldoni’s own legal team, which fed his supporters a steady stream of content on which to perform half-baked analysis. Every new bit of information only confirmed their belief in Baldoni’s innocence. When, for instance, Baldoni’s side released a rambling, apologetic, over-familiar voice note he recorded for Lively during filming, it didn’t matter that many reasonable people were creeped out by it—to Baldoni supporters, it was yet more evidence of Lively’s lies."

https://slate.com/life/2025/05/blake-lively-justin-baldoni-ryan-reynolds-lawsuit.html

It couldn't be that people just dislike Blake Lively because she is rude to the "little people" and of limited talent. It must be a "smear campaign."

It must be nice to be a legend in your own mind. Being married to Ryan Reynolds has not done Blake any favors personality-wise.

[Anonymous]

BL's popularity before IEWU was not based on her acting. It was based on her huge Instagram following, popularity with "fashion people" (hosting Met Gala, Vogue cover, relationships with Versace and other designers), her friendship with Taylor, and her marriage to Ryan Reynolds.

All that stuff together gave her a huge q score. The Shallows, the last movie she opened totally on her own, was a modest success. Hee magazine covers tend to sell. A Simple Favor did decent at the box office and then did really well on streaming, and she has the bigger character in that movie (Kendrick is good but her role is more of the straight man -- Blake for the more fun, showy role).

There are very few people in Hollywood who can do all that. I don't think much of Lively as an actress and find RR really annoying (I have zero interest in Deadpool and find his other ventures grating -- the last time I enjoyed him in a movie was The Proposal), but they both seem to understand celebrity and work it to their advantage, and it makes them a profitable investment. They also seem to have decent work ethics.

I completely understand why Hollywood is backing them. Baldoni is a nobody (sorry) and a lot of the people supporting him now have never seen any of his movies and didn't know who he was a year ago.

It's actually kind of a shame. I know it will get me screamed at on this thread, but having a monster hit like IEWU could have been huge for Baldoni. I think he was in talks to direct the Pacman movie before all this blew up (I mean ugh but that's the kind of garbage Hollywood makes now so it would have been big for him). I tend to think he blew it by not playing the game and figuring out how to work with Lively to his benefit. Even if he "wins" this case and even if Blake's career is in ruins, I think he blew his shot. Not because he'll be labeled a predator (lol this is not the problem in Hollywood people seem to think it is on this thread, look around), but because he showed himself to not know how to work with people like Lively or Reynolds. Are they narcissists? I'm sure they are! Just like everyone else in that town. That's the system. I don't think Baldoni is cut out for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BL's popularity before IEWU was not based on her acting. It was based on her huge Instagram following, popularity with "fashion people" (hosting Met Gala, Vogue cover, relationships with Versace and other designers), her friendship with Taylor, and her marriage to Ryan Reynolds.

All that stuff together gave her a huge q score. The Shallows, the last movie she opened totally on her own, was a modest success. Hee magazine covers tend to sell. A Simple Favor did decent at the box office and then did really well on streaming, and she has the bigger character in that movie (Kendrick is good but her role is more of the straight man -- Blake for the more fun, showy role).

There are very few people in Hollywood who can do all that. I don't think much of Lively as an actress and find RR really annoying (I have zero interest in Deadpool and find his other ventures grating -- the last time I enjoyed him in a movie was The Proposal), but they both seem to understand celebrity and work it to their advantage, and it makes them a profitable investment. They also seem to have decent work ethics.

I completely understand why Hollywood is backing them. Baldoni is a nobody (sorry) and a lot of the people supporting him now have never seen any of his movies and didn't know who he was a year ago.

It's actually kind of a shame. I know it will get me screamed at on this thread, but having a monster hit like IEWU could have been huge for Baldoni. I think he was in talks to direct the Pacman movie before all this blew up (I mean ugh but that's the kind of garbage Hollywood makes now so it would have been big for him). I tend to think he blew it by not playing the game and figuring out how to work with Lively to his benefit. Even if he "wins" this case and even if Blake's career is in ruins, I think he blew his shot. Not because he'll be labeled a predator (lol this is not the problem in Hollywood people seem to think it is on this thread, look around), but because he showed himself to not know how to work with people like Lively or Reynolds. Are they narcissists? I'm sure they are! Just like everyone else in that town. That's the system. I don't think Baldoni is cut out for it.

I have to question this idea of a huge Q score meaning something in 2025. And middle America women do not care what celebrities where at the Met Gala. The Met Gala is essentially a circus to regular working Americans.

Here's a reality check on Hollywood. Once Taylor Swift dumps you it is a matter of time before everyone else has no use for you. Hollywood follows the cool girls and will shy away from controversy From now on it will be "pap walks" with Robyn and Blake and Ryan looking like a 50 year old lesbian trailing behind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BL's popularity before IEWU was not based on her acting. It was based on her huge Instagram following, popularity with "fashion people" (hosting Met Gala, Vogue cover, relationships with Versace and other designers), her friendship with Taylor, and her marriage to Ryan Reynolds.

All that stuff together gave her a huge q score. The Shallows, the last movie she opened totally on her own, was a modest success. Hee magazine covers tend to sell. A Simple Favor did decent at the box office and then did really well on streaming, and she has the bigger character in that movie (Kendrick is good but her role is more of the straight man -- Blake for the more fun, showy role).

There are very few people in Hollywood who can do all that. I don't think much of Lively as an actress and find RR really annoying (I have zero interest in Deadpool and find his other ventures grating -- the last time I enjoyed him in a movie was The Proposal), but they both seem to understand celebrity and work it to their advantage, and it makes them a profitable investment. They also seem to have decent work ethics.

I completely understand why Hollywood is backing them. Baldoni is a nobody (sorry) and a lot of the people supporting him now have never seen any of his movies and didn't know who he was a year ago.

It's actually kind of a shame. I know it will get me screamed at on this thread, but having a monster hit like IEWU could have been huge for Baldoni. I think he was in talks to direct the Pacman movie before all this blew up (I mean ugh but that's the kind of garbage Hollywood makes now so it would have been big for him). I tend to think he blew it by not playing the game and figuring out how to work with Lively to his benefit. Even if he "wins" this case and even if Blake's career is in ruins, I think he blew his shot. Not because he'll be labeled a predator (lol this is not the problem in Hollywood people seem to think it is on this thread, look around), but because he showed himself to not know how to work with people like Lively or Reynolds. Are they narcissists? I'm sure they are! Just like everyone else in that town. That's the system. I don't think Baldoni is cut out for it.

I have to question this idea of a huge Q score meaning something in 2025. And middle America women do not care what celebrities where at the Met Gala. The Met Gala is essentially a circus to regular working Americans.

Here's a reality check on Hollywood. Once Taylor Swift dumps you it is a matter of time before everyone else has no use for you. Hollywood follows the cool girls and will shy away from controversy From now on it will be "pap walks" with Robyn and Blake and Ryan looking like a 50 year old lesbian trailing behind.

Except she got a pap walk with Salma Hayek the week Salma had a Sports Illustrated cover.

Saying "oh Q score doesn't matter" is silly. It's literally just a person's name recognition and positive association. It's massive when it comes to casting movies because it's essential to marketing. Blake likely got the role in IEWU based entirely on her "Q score" because they wanted someone who would have a big enough name to draw people to the theater for a summer film. It's not like she got that role because she's such an amazing actress they couldn't imagine anyone else in the role -- there are so many people who would have done a better job. But Blake is more famous and has a wider audience.

Look, I get for JB supporters there's this desire to act like Blake's fame or commercial success doesn't matter because you think of it as a 1:1 competition between the two. But it's not "pro-Blake" to tell the truth, which is that she is majorly famous and did in fact come into this movie with a huge following, and has a lot more goodwill both with the public and within Hollywood going into this mess, simply because Baldoni was/is such a nobody celebrity-wise. I don't say that to be mean to Justin, it's just the truth.

When people are like "WHY is Hollywood taking her side? WHY is the mainstream media taking her side?" the answer is extremely obvious. If you have to bet on one side or the other here and you are savvy enough to understand how fame and public perception works, you'd bet on Blake and RR. Even if they lose the court case. Even if Baldoni wins this whole thing, it will still probably kill his career. He just has no leverage. Maybe he can carve out a niche doing sort of MRA-style programming, but that's going to be a narrow audience and it will close him off to more mainstream audiences and a lot of Hollywood who won't be willing to go along with that politically.

If his goal was Hollywood success, he should have tried to resolve the personal dispute as quietly as possible, avoided trying to go after Blake in the media last summer (IF he did, I get that it's possible the bad press against her might have been organic, I don't think we actually know enough yet to say), made the best of the awkward media campaign, and then gone and filmed Pacman and moved on. There was a path for him here but I think he got up in his feelings over the divided premiere and losing final cut and started acting out emotionally and it was all downhill for him. You need a thick skin to survive in Hollywood and I don't think he has it. This is unlikely to work out for him the way he hopes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BL's popularity before IEWU was not based on her acting. It was based on her huge Instagram following, popularity with "fashion people" (hosting Met Gala, Vogue cover, relationships with Versace and other designers), her friendship with Taylor, and her marriage to Ryan Reynolds.

All that stuff together gave her a huge q score. The Shallows, the last movie she opened totally on her own, was a modest success. Hee magazine covers tend to sell. A Simple Favor did decent at the box office and then did really well on streaming, and she has the bigger character in that movie (Kendrick is good but her role is more of the straight man -- Blake for the more fun, showy role).

There are very few people in Hollywood who can do all that. I don't think much of Lively as an actress and find RR really annoying (I have zero interest in Deadpool and find his other ventures grating -- the last time I enjoyed him in a movie was The Proposal), but they both seem to understand celebrity and work it to their advantage, and it makes them a profitable investment. They also seem to have decent work ethics.

I completely understand why Hollywood is backing them. Baldoni is a nobody (sorry) and a lot of the people supporting him now have never seen any of his movies and didn't know who he was a year ago.

It's actually kind of a shame. I know it will get me screamed at on this thread, but having a monster hit like IEWU could have been huge for Baldoni. I think he was in talks to direct the Pacman movie before all this blew up (I mean ugh but that's the kind of garbage Hollywood makes now so it would have been big for him). I tend to think he blew it by not playing the game and figuring out how to work with Lively to his benefit. Even if he "wins" this case and even if Blake's career is in ruins, I think he blew his shot. Not because he'll be labeled a predator (lol this is not the problem in Hollywood people seem to think it is on this thread, look around), but because he showed himself to not know how to work with people like Lively or Reynolds. Are they narcissists? I'm sure they are! Just like everyone else in that town. That's the system. I don't think Baldoni is cut out for it.

I’m apparently ‘pro Baldoni’ (not really, I just think BL looks like a mess in all this) but I tend to agree with a lot of this, except maybe A simple favor being Blake’s movie. It was more of an Anna Kendrick vehicle and Blake was the crazy side character.

But I’ll agree with the rest, and that’s why I think she owes him a huge settlement. Sorry, I just don’t see any way she’s not going have to pay out big time and the sooner she does it, the better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BL's popularity before IEWU was not based on her acting. It was based on her huge Instagram following, popularity with "fashion people" (hosting Met Gala, Vogue cover, relationships with Versace and other designers), her friendship with Taylor, and her marriage to Ryan Reynolds.

All that stuff together gave her a huge q score. The Shallows, the last movie she opened totally on her own, was a modest success. Hee magazine covers tend to sell. A Simple Favor did decent at the box office and then did really well on streaming, and she has the bigger character in that movie (Kendrick is good but her role is more of the straight man -- Blake for the more fun, showy role).

There are very few people in Hollywood who can do all that. I don't think much of Lively as an actress and find RR really annoying (I have zero interest in Deadpool and find his other ventures grating -- the last time I enjoyed him in a movie was The Proposal), but they both seem to understand celebrity and work it to their advantage, and it makes them a profitable investment. They also seem to have decent work ethics.

I completely understand why Hollywood is backing them. Baldoni is a nobody (sorry) and a lot of the people supporting him now have never seen any of his movies and didn't know who he was a year ago.

It's actually kind of a shame. I know it will get me screamed at on this thread, but having a monster hit like IEWU could have been huge for Baldoni. I think he was in talks to direct the Pacman movie before all this blew up (I mean ugh but that's the kind of garbage Hollywood makes now so it would have been big for him). I tend to think he blew it by not playing the game and figuring out how to work with Lively to his benefit. Even if he "wins" this case and even if Blake's career is in ruins, I think he blew his shot. Not because he'll be labeled a predator (lol this is not the problem in Hollywood people seem to think it is on this thread, look around), but because he showed himself to not know how to work with people like Lively or Reynolds. Are they narcissists? I'm sure they are! Just like everyone else in that town. That's the system. I don't think Baldoni is cut out for it.

I have to question this idea of a huge Q score meaning something in 2025. And middle America women do not care what celebrities where at the Met Gala. The Met Gala is essentially a circus to regular working Americans.

Here's a reality check on Hollywood. Once Taylor Swift dumps you it is a matter of time before everyone else has no use for you. Hollywood follows the cool girls and will shy away from controversy From now on it will be "pap walks" with Robyn and Blake and Ryan looking like a 50 year old lesbian trailing behind.

Except she got a pap walk with Salma Hayek the week Salma had a Sports Illustrated cover.

Saying "oh Q score doesn't matter" is silly. It's literally just a person's name recognition and positive association. It's massive when it comes to casting movies because it's essential to marketing. Blake likely got the role in IEWU based entirely on her "Q score" because they wanted someone who would have a big enough name to draw people to the theater for a summer film. It's not like she got that role because she's such an amazing actress they couldn't imagine anyone else in the role -- there are so many people who would have done a better job. But Blake is more famous and has a wider audience.

Look, I get for JB supporters there's this desire to act like Blake's fame or commercial success doesn't matter because you think of it as a 1:1 competition between the two. But it's not "pro-Blake" to tell the truth, which is that she is majorly famous and did in fact come into this movie with a huge following, and has a lot more goodwill both with the public and within Hollywood going into this mess, simply because Baldoni was/is such a nobody celebrity-wise. I don't say that to be mean to Justin, it's just the truth.

When people are like "WHY is Hollywood taking her side? WHY is the mainstream media taking her side?" the answer is extremely obvious. If you have to bet on one side or the other here and you are savvy enough to understand how fame and public perception works, you'd bet on Blake and RR. Even if they lose the court case. Even if Baldoni wins this whole thing, it will still probably kill his career. He just has no leverage. Maybe he can carve out a niche doing sort of MRA-style programming, but that's going to be a narrow audience and it will close him off to more mainstream audiences and a lot of Hollywood who won't be willing to go along with that politically.

If his goal was Hollywood success, he should have tried to resolve the personal dispute as quietly as possible, avoided trying to go after Blake in the media last summer (IF he did, I get that it's possible the bad press against her might have been organic, I don't think we actually know enough yet to say), made the best of the awkward media campaign, and then gone and filmed Pacman and moved on. There was a path for him here but I think he got up in his feelings over the divided premiere and losing final cut and started acting out emotionally and it was all downhill for him. You need a thick skin to survive in Hollywood and I don't think he has it. This is unlikely to work out for him the way he hopes.

So everyone in Hollywood, except Taylor Swift supports Blake. I don't see Salma Hayek having a ton of pull with opinion in Middle America. Maybe she was hot 20 years ago but she us king of a has been. Let me know when Taylor invites Blake to one of her events.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BL's popularity before IEWU was not based on her acting. It was based on her huge Instagram following, popularity with "fashion people" (hosting Met Gala, Vogue cover, relationships with Versace and other designers), her friendship with Taylor, and her marriage to Ryan Reynolds.

All that stuff together gave her a huge q score. The Shallows, the last movie she opened totally on her own, was a modest success. Hee magazine covers tend to sell. A Simple Favor did decent at the box office and then did really well on streaming, and she has the bigger character in that movie (Kendrick is good but her role is more of the straight man -- Blake for the more fun, showy role).

There are very few people in Hollywood who can do all that. I don't think much of Lively as an actress and find RR really annoying (I have zero interest in Deadpool and find his other ventures grating -- the last time I enjoyed him in a movie was The Proposal), but they both seem to understand celebrity and work it to their advantage, and it makes them a profitable investment. They also seem to have decent work ethics.

I completely understand why Hollywood is backing them. Baldoni is a nobody (sorry) and a lot of the people supporting him now have never seen any of his movies and didn't know who he was a year ago.

It's actually kind of a shame. I know it will get me screamed at on this thread, but having a monster hit like IEWU could have been huge for Baldoni. I think he was in talks to direct the Pacman movie before all this blew up (I mean ugh but that's the kind of garbage Hollywood makes now so it would have been big for him). I tend to think he blew it by not playing the game and figuring out how to work with Lively to his benefit. Even if he "wins" this case and even if Blake's career is in ruins, I think he blew his shot. Not because he'll be labeled a predator (lol this is not the problem in Hollywood people seem to think it is on this thread, look around), but because he showed himself to not know how to work with people like Lively or Reynolds. Are they narcissists? I'm sure they are! Just like everyone else in that town. That's the system. I don't think Baldoni is cut out for it.

I have to question this idea of a huge Q score meaning something in 2025. And middle America women do not care what celebrities where at the Met Gala. The Met Gala is essentially a circus to regular working Americans.

Here's a reality check on Hollywood. Once Taylor Swift dumps you it is a matter of time before everyone else has no use for you. Hollywood follows the cool girls and will shy away from controversy From now on it will be "pap walks" with Robyn and Blake and Ryan looking like a 50 year old lesbian trailing behind.

Except she got a pap walk with Salma Hayek the week Salma had a Sports Illustrated cover.

Saying "oh Q score doesn't matter" is silly. It's literally just a person's name recognition and positive association. It's massive when it comes to casting movies because it's essential to marketing. Blake likely got the role in IEWU based entirely on her "Q score" because they wanted someone who would have a big enough name to draw people to the theater for a summer film. It's not like she got that role because she's such an amazing actress they couldn't imagine anyone else in the role -- there are so many people who would have done a better job. But Blake is more famous and has a wider audience.

Look, I get for JB supporters there's this desire to act like Blake's fame or commercial success doesn't matter because you think of it as a 1:1 competition between the two. But it's not "pro-Blake" to tell the truth, which is that she is majorly famous and did in fact come into this movie with a huge following, and has a lot more goodwill both with the public and within Hollywood going into this mess, simply because Baldoni was/is such a nobody celebrity-wise. I don't say that to be mean to Justin, it's just the truth.

When people are like "WHY is Hollywood taking her side? WHY is the mainstream media taking her side?" the answer is extremely obvious. If you have to bet on one side or the other here and you are savvy enough to understand how fame and public perception works, you'd bet on Blake and RR. Even if they lose the court case. Even if Baldoni wins this whole thing, it will still probably kill his career. He just has no leverage. Maybe he can carve out a niche doing sort of MRA-style programming, but that's going to be a narrow audience and it will close him off to more mainstream audiences and a lot of Hollywood who won't be willing to go along with that politically.

If his goal was Hollywood success, he should have tried to resolve the personal dispute as quietly as possible, avoided trying to go after Blake in the media last summer (IF he did, I get that it's possible the bad press against her might have been organic, I don't think we actually know enough yet to say), made the best of the awkward media campaign, and then gone and filmed Pacman and moved on. There was a path for him here but I think he got up in his feelings over the divided premiere and losing final cut and started acting out emotionally and it was all downhill for him. You need a thick skin to survive in Hollywood and I don't think he has it. This is unlikely to work out for him the way he hopes.

Ooh a pap walk? I am sure America is buzzing over the pap walk. You must be a pr plant to think any working person in America GAF who Blake takes a picture with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BL's popularity before IEWU was not based on her acting. It was based on her huge Instagram following, popularity with "fashion people" (hosting Met Gala, Vogue cover, relationships with Versace and other designers), her friendship with Taylor, and her marriage to Ryan Reynolds.

All that stuff together gave her a huge q score. The Shallows, the last movie she opened totally on her own, was a modest success. Hee magazine covers tend to sell. A Simple Favor did decent at the box office and then did really well on streaming, and she has the bigger character in that movie (Kendrick is good but her role is more of the straight man -- Blake for the more fun, showy role).

There are very few people in Hollywood who can do all that. I don't think much of Lively as an actress and find RR really annoying (I have zero interest in Deadpool and find his other ventures grating -- the last time I enjoyed him in a movie was The Proposal), but they both seem to understand celebrity and work it to their advantage, and it makes them a profitable investment. They also seem to have decent work ethics.

I completely understand why Hollywood is backing them. Baldoni is a nobody (sorry) and a lot of the people supporting him now have never seen any of his movies and didn't know who he was a year ago.

It's actually kind of a shame. I know it will get me screamed at on this thread, but having a monster hit like IEWU could have been huge for Baldoni. I think he was in talks to direct the Pacman movie before all this blew up (I mean ugh but that's the kind of garbage Hollywood makes now so it would have been big for him). I tend to think he blew it by not playing the game and figuring out how to work with Lively to his benefit. Even if he "wins" this case and even if Blake's career is in ruins, I think he blew his shot. Not because he'll be labeled a predator (lol this is not the problem in Hollywood people seem to think it is on this thread, look around), but because he showed himself to not know how to work with people like Lively or Reynolds. Are they narcissists? I'm sure they are! Just like everyone else in that town. That's the system. I don't think Baldoni is cut out for it.

I have to question this idea of a huge Q score meaning something in 2025. And middle America women do not care what celebrities where at the Met Gala. The Met Gala is essentially a circus to regular working Americans.

Here's a reality check on Hollywood. Once Taylor Swift dumps you it is a matter of time before everyone else has no use for you. Hollywood follows the cool girls and will shy away from controversy From now on it will be "pap walks" with Robyn and Blake and Ryan looking like a 50 year old lesbian trailing behind.

Except she got a pap walk with Salma Hayek the week Salma had a Sports Illustrated cover.

Saying "oh Q score doesn't matter" is silly. It's literally just a person's name recognition and positive association. It's massive when it comes to casting movies because it's essential to marketing. Blake likely got the role in IEWU based entirely on her "Q score" because they wanted someone who would have a big enough name to draw people to the theater for a summer film. It's not like she got that role because she's such an amazing actress they couldn't imagine anyone else in the role -- there are so many people who would have done a better job. But Blake is more famous and has a wider audience.

Look, I get for JB supporters there's this desire to act like Blake's fame or commercial success doesn't matter because you think of it as a 1:1 competition between the two. But it's not "pro-Blake" to tell the truth, which is that she is majorly famous and did in fact come into this movie with a huge following, and has a lot more goodwill both with the public and within Hollywood going into this mess, simply because Baldoni was/is such a nobody celebrity-wise. I don't say that to be mean to Justin, it's just the truth.

When people are like "WHY is Hollywood taking her side? WHY is the mainstream media taking her side?" the answer is extremely obvious. If you have to bet on one side or the other here and you are savvy enough to understand how fame and public perception works, you'd bet on Blake and RR. Even if they lose the court case. Even if Baldoni wins this whole thing, it will still probably kill his career. He just has no leverage. Maybe he can carve out a niche doing sort of MRA-style programming, but that's going to be a narrow audience and it will close him off to more mainstream audiences and a lot of Hollywood who won't be willing to go along with that politically.

If his goal was Hollywood success, he should have tried to resolve the personal dispute as quietly as possible, avoided trying to go after Blake in the media last summer (IF he did, I get that it's possible the bad press against her might have been organic, I don't think we actually know enough yet to say), made the best of the awkward media campaign, and then gone and filmed Pacman and moved on. There was a path for him here but I think he got up in his feelings over the divided premiere and losing final cut and started acting out emotionally and it was all downhill for him. You need a thick skin to survive in Hollywood and I don't think he has it. This is unlikely to work out for him the way he hopes.

Was Ryan there waving a Mint Mobile cell phone in the background while lovingly gazing at Hugh Jackmam? You PR people probably would orgasm if that happened.