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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]BL's popularity before IEWU was not based on her acting. It was based on her huge Instagram following, popularity with "fashion people" (hosting Met Gala, Vogue cover, relationships with Versace and other designers), her friendship with Taylor, and her marriage to Ryan Reynolds.

All that stuff together gave her a huge q score. The Shallows, the last movie she opened totally on her own, was a modest success. Hee magazine covers tend to sell. A Simple Favor did decent at the box office and then did really well on streaming, and she has the bigger character in that movie (Kendrick is good but her role is more of the straight man -- Blake for the more fun, showy role).

There are very few people in Hollywood who can do all that. I don't think much of Lively as an actress and find RR really annoying (I have zero interest in Deadpool and find his other ventures grating -- the last time I enjoyed him in a movie was The Proposal), but they both seem to understand celebrity and work it to their advantage, and it makes them a profitable investment. They also seem to have decent work ethics.

I completely understand why Hollywood is backing them. Baldoni is a nobody (sorry) and a lot of the people supporting him now have never seen any of his movies and didn't know who he was a year ago.

It's actually kind of a shame. I know it will get me screamed at on this thread, but having a monster hit like IEWU could have been huge for Baldoni. I think he was in talks to direct the Pacman movie before all this blew up (I mean ugh but that's the kind of garbage Hollywood makes now so it would have been big for him). I tend to think he blew it by not playing the game and figuring out how to work with Lively to his benefit. Even if he "wins" this case and even if Blake's career is in ruins, I think he blew his shot. Not because he'll be labeled a predator (lol this is not the problem in Hollywood people seem to think it is on this thread, look around), but because he showed himself to not know how to work with people like Lively or Reynolds. Are they narcissists? I'm sure they are! Just like everyone else in that town. That's the system. I don't think Baldoni is cut out for it.[/quote]

I have to question this idea of a huge Q score meaning something in 2025.  And middle America women do not care what celebrities where at the Met Gala.  The Met Gala is essentially a circus to regular working Americans.

Here's a reality check on Hollywood. Once Taylor Swift dumps you it is a matter of time before everyone else has no use for you. Hollywood follows the cool girls and will shy away from controversy   From now on it will be "pap walks" with Robyn and Blake and Ryan looking like a 50 year old lesbian trailing behind.[/quote]

Except she got a pap walk with Salma Hayek the week Salma had a Sports Illustrated cover.

Saying "oh Q score doesn't matter" is silly. It's literally just a person's name recognition and positive association. It's massive when it comes to casting movies because it's essential to marketing. Blake likely got the role in IEWU based entirely on her "Q score" because they wanted someone who would have a big enough name to draw people to the theater for a summer film. It's not like she got that role because she's such an amazing actress they couldn't imagine anyone else in the role -- there are so many people who would have done a better job. But Blake is more famous and has a wider audience.

Look, I get for JB supporters there's this desire to act like Blake's fame or commercial success doesn't matter because you think of it as a 1:1 competition between the two. But it's not "pro-Blake" to tell the truth, which is that she is majorly famous and did in fact come into this movie with a huge following, and has a lot more goodwill both with the public and within Hollywood going into this mess, simply because Baldoni was/is such a nobody celebrity-wise. I don't say that to be mean to Justin, it's just the truth.

When people are like "WHY is Hollywood taking her side? WHY is the mainstream media taking her side?" the answer is extremely obvious. If you have to bet on one side or the other here and you are savvy enough to understand how fame and public perception works, you'd bet on Blake and RR. Even if they lose the court case. Even if Baldoni wins this whole thing, it will still probably kill his career. He just has no leverage. Maybe he can carve out a niche doing sort of MRA-style programming, but that's going to be a narrow audience and it will close him off to more mainstream audiences and a lot of Hollywood who won't be willing to go along with that politically.

If his goal was Hollywood success, he should have tried to resolve the personal dispute as quietly as possible, avoided trying to go after Blake in the media last summer (IF he did, I get that it's possible the bad press against her might have been organic, I don't think we actually know enough yet to say), made the best of the awkward media campaign, and then gone and filmed Pacman and moved on. There was a path for him here but I think he got up in his feelings over the divided premiere and losing final cut and started acting out emotionally and it was all downhill for him. You need a thick skin to survive in Hollywood and I don't think he has it. This is unlikely to work out for him the way he hopes.[/quote]

Was Ryan there waving a Mint Mobile cell phone in the background while lovingly gazing at Hugh Jackmam? You PR people probably would orgasm if that happened.[/quote]

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