Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Indeed beyond sad. The whole world just looks on - utterly depressing ugh. But you know this is the story of ME. For both Israel really and Palestine. It will always be someone on either side hurt. But I will say that this time around, it's beyond words.

The people here who keep harping Hamas created this current situation will go to H. They surely will because they are for killing the innocent and that is never ever just. Ultimately I feel that the pain just transfers depending on time between both people. I fear that one day this immense pain felt by Arabs will undoubtedly bounce back to Israel. Maybe even US and the world for allowing this to even happen.

This is a dark time when you really lose faith that there is a higher power really. I would suggest this is Palestines holocaust. Seriously. Hamas may have started it but what Israel is doing is genocide of a people pure and simple which the US has assisted.

the Palestinians Holocaust? Remind me, when did the Jews mass slaughter aryan Germans and take hundreds of hostages, resulting in Hitler and eichmann designing the final solution? Oh wait, that never happened. Moronic comparison. If this is a Palestinian Holocaust, Hamas is Hitler in your analogy.

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Anonymous wrote:The first DCUM forum I was on over ten years ago was the Infertility support forum. The story of this woman, who had twin babies after three rounds of IVF and 10 years of trying to start a family, particularly touched me.

Both her babies, who were 4 months old, her husband, sister, nephew, and other relatives were killed in a bombing in Rafah on Saturday.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-children-twins-killed-gaza-25282b273b92aec7fc75c3212f8d8e3f

That’s especially sad. You really cherish your children more when you work so hard to get them.

I would want to be dead if I lost my family in seconds like that .

I really think suicide bombings will come back to Israel if grief counseling and other options are not available. So many people are focused on the physical needs only like food and water and shelter but war creates psychological trauma. The Israeli hostages will have free therapy for life and are already in the processes of recovery but who will be there for the Palestinians who are suffering mentally from this war?

That’s because israel has normal societal values and priortiizes their citizens well being.

I can tell you who doesn’t care about Palestinian psychological trauma: Hamas. Tortured Palestinians only perpetuate their cause and PR. Hamas for two decades has siphoned away aid and resources into building an extensive terrorism network.

the whole thing is f**cked.

Israel is intentionally starving 1.5 million people right now. Those are not normal societal values. I'd like to think that it's just the 10% that are straight up Jewish Supremacists that are doing this BUT the silence is deafening.

And why is not on Hamas to surrender and release the f**cking hostages? They rejected a ceasefire last week.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The first DCUM forum I was on over ten years ago was the Infertility support forum. The story of this woman, who had twin babies after three rounds of IVF and 10 years of trying to start a family, particularly touched me.

Both her babies, who were 4 months old, her husband, sister, nephew, and other relatives were killed in a bombing in Rafah on Saturday.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-children-twins-killed-gaza-25282b273b92aec7fc75c3212f8d8e3f

That’s especially sad. You really cherish your children more when you work so hard to get them.

I would want to be dead if I lost my family in seconds like that .

I really think suicide bombings will come back to Israel if grief counseling and other options are not available. So many people are focused on the physical needs only like food and water and shelter but war creates psychological trauma. The Israeli hostages will have free therapy for life and are already in the processes of recovery but who will be there for the Palestinians who are suffering mentally from this war?

That’s because israel has normal societal values and priortiizes their citizens well being.

I can tell you who doesn’t care about Palestinian psychological trauma: Hamas. Tortured Palestinians only perpetuate their cause and PR. Hamas for two decades has siphoned away aid and resources into building an extensive terrorism network.

the whole thing is f**cked.

Israel is intentionally starving 1.5 million people right now. Those are not normal societal values. I'd like to think that it's just the 10% that are straight up Jewish Supremacists that are doing this BUT the silence is deafening.

And why is not on Hamas to surrender and release the f**cking hostages? They rejected a ceasefire last week.

The Israelis government does not want the f#$king hostages back. I guess the Israel government realizes you do not let a few hostages stop you from do what you want. If the Israelis government does not care about getting the hostages back why do you? Specially after killing 32,000 people what’s a few hundred more..right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. The mental heath trauma of the Palestinians will be enormous. There is growing focus on trauma informed therapies and community building to end the cycle of violence in the US and it all starts from a place of love and understanding. The Israeli mindset is not there so I am sure that love and understanding will not be on offer.

With all that trauma they should be learning the lesson that it's not worthwhile to launch a massacre attack on people like they did on October 7th. There isn't any other positive lesson to be learned from it.

The Palestinian people there are the first hostages by Hamas just like the Israelis. Why are you blaming the Palestinians in Gaza ? Ultimately both peoples are unsafe because their governments are failures who failed to protect their people

They started out as free people. They ended up hostages by refusing to allow the existence of Israel and repeatedly attacking and trying to exterminate the Jews. And each time they did, they lost more territory and freedom.

And now they're Israels hostages. Israel is starving the civilians in Gaza in order to put political pressure on Hamas.

And it seems Hamas is even worse than Israel because they are showing they don't care if the people of Palestine starve. All the more reason Hamas needs to be eliminated.

Gazans would gladly help Israel if they did so in a way that didn’t put them in harms way and in the direct line of fire but given the destruction and pain Israel’s caused to their lives it will be hard for them to see them as a friend.

I feel really bad for Gazans. They never stood a chance.

They protested against Hamas so many times including in July 2023 and as recent as a few weeks ago. Yes, protests are happening in Gaza against Hamas even during this war but they aren’t getting much media coverage for some reason.


https://apnews.com/article/gaza-hamas-demonstration-israel-blockade-palestinians-306b19228f9dd21f1036386ce3709672

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/07/world/middleeast/gaza-strip-protests-hamas.html

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-01-31/gaza-growing-disenchantment-with-hamas

https://www.newarab.com/news/we-want-live-gazans-revive-campaign-against-hamas?amp

“We Want to Live” is the name of a social media campaign started in 2019 against Hamas by Gazans upset with the corruption and Hamas billionaire lifestyle and money grubbing outside of Gaza.

What is striking is Israelis have also been massive demonstrating Netanyahu since 2019: this is around the same time demonstrations started becoming so regular in Gaza .

Anti govt Demonstrations are going on in both Israel and Gaza right now. They would be bigger in Gaza right now if not for fear of crowding in large places and the circumstances of no food and water but they are definitely happening

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed beyond sad. The whole world just looks on - utterly depressing ugh. But you know this is the story of ME. For both Israel really and Palestine. It will always be someone on either side hurt. But I will say that this time around, it's beyond words.

The people here who keep harping Hamas created this current situation will go to H. They surely will because they are for killing the innocent and that is never ever just. Ultimately I feel that the pain just transfers depending on time between both people. I fear that one day this immense pain felt by Arabs will undoubtedly bounce back to Israel. Maybe even US and the world for allowing this to even happen.

This is a dark time when you really lose faith that there is a higher power really. I would suggest this is Palestines holocaust. Seriously. Hamas may have started it but what Israel is doing is genocide of a people pure and simple which the US has assisted.

the Palestinians Holocaust? Remind me, when did the Jews mass slaughter aryan Germans and take hundreds of hostages, resulting in Hitler and eichmann designing the final solution? Oh wait, that never happened. Moronic comparison. If this is a Palestinian Holocaust, Hamas is Hitler in your analogy.

Please you all are killing the Palestinians so you can take their land and bury the people who know what you have done to make Israel. This is the same thing the Nazis did. Oct 7 is just the continuation of your forever war. It’s just not the Palestinians. You all have made the Middle East a living hell for everyone and you are proud of it. Truly sickening.

[Anonymous]

Neither government of the Palestinians is really great. The West Bank govt is extremely passive about Israel from settlements and settlers and it’s illegal for their police to help Palestinians against illegal Jewish settlements. That’s a joke of a government . They’re super passive and soft with Israel .

On the other hand, Hamas is tough with Israel, too aggressive about Israel and batshit insane although they are somewhat better than the Authority and many other Arab countries when it comes to some things like education . They are really good with opening many colleges in Gaza and that’s about it

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Anonymous wrote:The first DCUM forum I was on over ten years ago was the Infertility support forum. The story of this woman, who had twin babies after three rounds of IVF and 10 years of trying to start a family, particularly touched me.

Both her babies, who were 4 months old, her husband, sister, nephew, and other relatives were killed in a bombing in Rafah on Saturday.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-children-twins-killed-gaza-25282b273b92aec7fc75c3212f8d8e3f

That’s especially sad. You really cherish your children more when you work so hard to get them.

I would want to be dead if I lost my family in seconds like that .

I really think suicide bombings will come back to Israel if grief counseling and other options are not available. So many people are focused on the physical needs only like food and water and shelter but war creates psychological trauma. The Israeli hostages will have free therapy for life and are already in the processes of recovery but who will be there for the Palestinians who are suffering mentally from this war?

That’s because israel has normal societal values and priortiizes their citizens well being.

I can tell you who doesn’t care about Palestinian psychological trauma: Hamas. Tortured Palestinians only perpetuate their cause and PR. Hamas for two decades has siphoned away aid and resources into building an extensive terrorism network.

the whole thing is f**cked.

Israel is intentionally starving 1.5 million people right now. Those are not normal societal values. I'd like to think that it's just the 10% that are straight up Jewish Supremacists that are doing this BUT the silence is deafening.

And why is not on Hamas to surrender and release the f**cking hostages? They rejected a ceasefire last week.

The Israelis government does not want the f#$king hostages back. I guess the Israel government realizes you do not let a few hostages stop you from do what you want. If the Israelis government does not care about getting the hostages back why do you? Specially after killing 32,000 people what’s a few hundred more..right?

You're insane or stupid. Israel has repeatedly asked for the return of the hostages, and has been putting troops lives at risk based on tips and intel but keeps coming up empty because Hamas is still very much active and able to move them around and keep them hidden.

[Anonymous]

met the Israeli settlers Biden placed sanctions on. They’re bad – but part of a rotten system
Zak Witus

… These sanctions materially disrupt the machinery of settler violence and send perhaps the strongest signal yet to the Israeli government that it must curb attacks on Palestinian communities, because there will be consequences. But sanctions on just a few settlers won’t solve the fundamental problem; these are not just a few bad apples. Sustained settler assaults on Palestinian lives and livelihood are part of systematic, longstanding Israeli government policy to push Palestinians off this land to expand settlements. It’s the bad policy that produces the bad apples.

I have personally encountered some of these individuals. In 2022, I volunteered for three months as a human rights observer in Masafer Yatta, a rural area of the West Bank where Palestinian residents rely largely on shepherding and agriculture to earn a living. I confronted two of the settlers in question, Yinon Levi and Ely Federman, on a near weekly basis, and watched as they attacked Palestinians – unprovoked – with my own eyes.

Around the village of Zanuta, I witnessed Levi, Federman and their accomplices repeatedly attack Palestinian shepherds and their flocks with dogs and aerial drones. They would try to scare them into leaving their land, and then graze their own sheep and goats on the Palestinians’ crops. In the village of Susiya, I filmed Levi and others illegally building a road to a settlement outpost on private Palestinian land. Another video shows Levi operating a bulldozer, shoveling huge piles of dirt on to a road in order to block the only entrance and exit to the village.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/04/israel-settler-violence-sanctions

This is what the US supports? These people and the government that back them are criminals. Why is Biden not doing anything to stop this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The first DCUM forum I was on over ten years ago was the Infertility support forum. The story of this woman, who had twin babies after three rounds of IVF and 10 years of trying to start a family, particularly touched me.

Both her babies, who were 4 months old, her husband, sister, nephew, and other relatives were killed in a bombing in Rafah on Saturday.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-children-twins-killed-gaza-25282b273b92aec7fc75c3212f8d8e3f

That’s especially sad. You really cherish your children more when you work so hard to get them.

I would want to be dead if I lost my family in seconds like that .

I really think suicide bombings will come back to Israel if grief counseling and other options are not available. So many people are focused on the physical needs only like food and water and shelter but war creates psychological trauma. The Israeli hostages will have free therapy for life and are already in the processes of recovery but who will be there for the Palestinians who are suffering mentally from this war?

That’s because israel has normal societal values and priortiizes their citizens well being.

I can tell you who doesn’t care about Palestinian psychological trauma: Hamas. Tortured Palestinians only perpetuate their cause and PR. Hamas for two decades has siphoned away aid and resources into building an extensive terrorism network.

the whole thing is f**cked.

Israel is intentionally starving 1.5 million people right now. Those are not normal societal values. I'd like to think that it's just the 10% that are straight up Jewish Supremacists that are doing this BUT the silence is deafening.

And why is not on Hamas to surrender and release the f**cking hostages? They rejected a ceasefire last week.

The Israelis government does not want the f#$king hostages back. I guess the Israel government realizes you do not let a few hostages stop you from do what you want. If the Israelis government does not care about getting the hostages back why do you? Specially after killing 32,000 people what’s a few hundred more..right?

You're insane or stupid. Israel has repeatedly asked for the return of the hostages, and has been putting troops lives at risk based on tips and intel but keeps coming up empty because Hamas is still very much active and able to move them around and keep them hidden.

lol Yes let’s bomb the buildings where the hostages are being held, killing 32,000 civilians to turn the to “our” side, starve children to death, blow up hospitals, etc, etc. That’s how you do counter insurgency and get people on your side! Finally let just shoot the hostages when they are free in Gaza! You know because anyone in Gaza is Hamas! Instead of negotiating a release.

Netanyahu, his government and the majority of Israelis do not want the hostages back. This is shown by their actions. In Bibi and his backers’ minds they are in teacher those liberal kibbutz members a lesson and making martyrs to the state of Israel. Poison the ground with more blood.

6 months after Oct 7, the same people who let this happen are still in power and the hostages are still being killed by IDF. No they do not want them back. Read some Israeli newspapers and inform yourself. If the Israelis want the hostages back change governments and get them back tomorrow but no one wants that!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed beyond sad. The whole world just looks on - utterly depressing ugh. But you know this is the story of ME. For both Israel really and Palestine. It will always be someone on either side hurt. But I will say that this time around, it's beyond words.

The people here who keep harping Hamas created this current situation will go to H. They surely will because they are for killing the innocent and that is never ever just. Ultimately I feel that the pain just transfers depending on time between both people. I fear that one day this immense pain felt by Arabs will undoubtedly bounce back to Israel. Maybe even US and the world for allowing this to even happen.

This is a dark time when you really lose faith that there is a higher power really. I would suggest this is Palestines holocaust. Seriously. Hamas may have started it but what Israel is doing is genocide of a people pure and simple which the US has assisted.

the Palestinians Holocaust? Remind me, when did the Jews mass slaughter aryan Germans and take hundreds of hostages, resulting in Hitler and eichmann designing the final solution? Oh wait, that never happened. Moronic comparison. If this is a Palestinian Holocaust, Hamas is Hitler in your analogy.

The Russian Revolution was largely led by communist Jews and that killed 11 million people and largely sowed the seeds for Nazis to rise in the first place for fear that Jews were leftists wanting a communist takeover .

I guess you can say it was an atheist revolution but really everybody knows that Marxism was Jewish in foundation .


The idea that Jews are just docile lambs throughout history isn’t accurate

[Anonymous]

The poor innocent Jews of Europe paid in blood and still get discriminated to this day for what a small group of unelected Bolshevik extremists did back in the day in the same way Palestinians pay for what Hamas extremists do.

https://m.jpost.com/magazine/was-the-russian-revolution-jewish-514323

There’s actually more similarities between Arabs and Jews but I’m too tired to remember

But Nazis believed they were acting to Jews and all other suspected lefties in retaliation for communism and WW1? And other things . . They felt they were morally right to fight aggressors and problem makers that want to overthrow /do a revolution and destroy the German state just like Israel feels Palestinians are aggressors and problem makers that want to destroy Israel. Jews were seen as an existential threat to the state the way Palestinians are to Israel even though the Average person had nothing to do with Communists or Hamas.

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Anonymous wrote:Amos Hochstein, special envoy from President Biden, is in Lebanon to help find a "diplomatic solution" to the Israeli - Hezbollah conflict.

Completely serious question: As Americans, are we just completely oblivious to how outrageously comical it seems that the only people we send to the Middle East to broker peace happen to be Jewish? This guy is an Israeli-American businessman, diplomat, and former lobbyist, per his profile. Really?

Every person we put on ME diplomatic duty seems to be Jewish. Are we for real? I mean, seriously? Are we for real? Do we think it doesn't seem offensive and outrageous to the people we're trying to coax into a deal?

How would everyone feel if we sent Rashida Tlaib over to the ME with full U.S. authority to force a long-term settlement between Israel and the Palestinians? But the Palestinians and Lebanese are supposed to be A-OK that the U.S. is being represented by an Israeli with full U.S. authority to broker peace?

This is like a fever dream. What is going on???

It's just a comical as Kamala's recent ceasefire call.

Well we wouldn’t feel good, because Tlaib is a moron

You think all Muslims are morons, though, right?

Generally, when someone thinks all non-Jews are morons and all Jews are titans of the mightiest intellectualism, doesn’t that render their opinion irrelevant?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The first DCUM forum I was on over ten years ago was the Infertility support forum. The story of this woman, who had twin babies after three rounds of IVF and 10 years of trying to start a family, particularly touched me.

Both her babies, who were 4 months old, her husband, sister, nephew, and other relatives were killed in a bombing in Rafah on Saturday.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-children-twins-killed-gaza-25282b273b92aec7fc75c3212f8d8e3f

That’s especially sad. You really cherish your children more when you work so hard to get them.

I would want to be dead if I lost my family in seconds like that .

I really think suicide bombings will come back to Israel if grief counseling and other options are not available. So many people are focused on the physical needs only like food and water and shelter but war creates psychological trauma. The Israeli hostages will have free therapy for life and are already in the processes of recovery but who will be there for the Palestinians who are suffering mentally from this war?

That’s because israel has normal societal values and priortiizes their citizens well being.

I can tell you who doesn’t care about Palestinian psychological trauma: Hamas. Tortured Palestinians only perpetuate their cause and PR. Hamas for two decades has siphoned away aid and resources into building an extensive terrorism network.

the whole thing is f**cked.

Israel is intentionally starving 1.5 million people right now. Those are not normal societal values. I'd like to think that it's just the 10% that are straight up Jewish Supremacists that are doing this BUT the silence is deafening.

And why is not on Hamas to surrender and release the f**cking hostages? They rejected a ceasefire last week.

The Israelis government does not want the f#$king hostages back. I guess the Israel government realizes you do not let a few hostages stop you from do what you want. If the Israelis government does not care about getting the hostages back why do you? Specially after killing 32,000 people what’s a few hundred more..right?

You're insane or stupid. Israel has repeatedly asked for the return of the hostages, and has been putting troops lives at risk based on tips and intel but keeps coming up empty because Hamas is still very much active and able to move them around and keep them hidden.

Idf is definitely not putting their soldiers ar huge risk. They could’ve easily done what Us did in Iraq and break doors down and do a run n gun operation.

Israel overly relies on aerial bombing and that leads to more civilian deaths . No war in history is ever won without a good ground strategy.

First off, Israel dragged its feet in even sending foot soldiers in on not just 10/7 but the entire month of October.

The Gaza Strip is tiny. All of the hostages and Hamas captives could’ve easily been found if they went inside Gaza for a ground operation on October 8. At that point, Hamas had to have still been organizing how to divvy up all the hostages and what to do since they took so many.

The IDF waited forever to get inside Isrsel or Gaza and never wants to confront Hamas to their face when the opportunity is ripe.

It is far from a heroic army that puts themselves at risk. Their army is good for stripping people down, beating them up, shooting children, people with white flags including Israelis.

Israelis army needs better training .

[Anonymous]

Half of the Israeli army were reservists, some not even living in Israel when 10/7 happened, and the ones that were active duty were largely in the West Bank which is a joke of a training ground. It’s pretty much playing mall security . Hamas certainly knew all this and wanted to take advantage of a weakened or vulnerable IDF

The settlers are stronger than the IDF in the WB and even argue or harass them when some actually used to try to stop settlers and defend Palestinians to prevent war. Everyone in Israel’s army didn’t see it coming from Gaza but expected Palestinian attacks or war from the WB due to the increased hostilities there recently

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed beyond sad. The whole world just looks on - utterly depressing ugh. But you know this is the story of ME. For both Israel really and Palestine. It will always be someone on either side hurt. But I will say that this time around, it's beyond words.

The people here who keep harping Hamas created this current situation will go to H. They surely will because they are for killing the innocent and that is never ever just. Ultimately I feel that the pain just transfers depending on time between both people. I fear that one day this immense pain felt by Arabs will undoubtedly bounce back to Israel. Maybe even US and the world for allowing this to even happen.

This is a dark time when you really lose faith that there is a higher power really. I would suggest this is Palestines holocaust. Seriously. Hamas may have started it but what Israel is doing is genocide of a people pure and simple which the US has assisted.

the Palestinians Holocaust? Remind me, when did the Jews mass slaughter aryan Germans and take hundreds of hostages, resulting in Hitler and eichmann designing the final solution? Oh wait, that never happened. Moronic comparison. If this is a Palestinian Holocaust, Hamas is Hitler in your analogy.

Don't forget what preceded 10/7, which was the Nakba, a genocide in itself. Since the Nakba, Israel has continued to abuse Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Zionists have been trying to erase Palestinians for decades.