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Anonymous wrote:Totally inappropriate use of the press conference by every speaker so far.

If I was personally affected by this tragedy I would be LIVID.

You are if you live in the USA. Should Military be able to access and fly helicopters on/off private property? Near and around airports, etc… where are the rules?

There are plenty of neighborhoods where (military) helicopters are flown. If you are ever in the Walter Reed neighborhood or driving by on beltway around Bethesda you'll see them through suburban neighborboods

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's comms team did not advise him well on this. Blaming it on DEI and implying the air traffic controllers may have messed up because they have psychiatric disabilities is not wise. Also, the FAA's rules around disabilities are the same as every federal agencies. The rules are nothing new and were in place during Trump's first term. He is saying ATCs are mentally incompetent. He doesn't even know who made the mistake at this point.

It just doesn’t matter. His idiotic supporters will parrot anything he says.

Yes, the cult of stupid will cling to his every word.

There will be way more of this because of their utter stupidity.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's comms team did not advise him well on this. Blaming it on DEI and implying the air traffic controllers may have messed up because they have psychiatric disabilities is not wise. Also, the FAA's rules around disabilities are the same as every federal agencies. The rules are nothing new and were in place during Trump's first term. He is saying ATCs are mentally incompetent. He doesn't even know who made the mistake at this point.

Which is only going to rattle them more. Lovely.

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If I was an air traffic controller, I'd quit. Walk. Bring this joke of a country to its knees.

Trump says they aren't qualified individuals, so leave. Let him try to staff it with people he deems qualified.

The US has never invested in any infrastructure outside of air travel. Let the US crumble because of its terrible, greedy decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:That was an absolute shit show. Just like his COVID press conferences.

Yup, this was a redux of the chaotic COVID press conferences. Completely unfit in a crisis.

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Anonymous wrote:Reporter: "What does diversity have to do with this crash?"

Trump: "It's just common sense. We want to have the best people and we don't. This is a big chess game. These are complex computer systems and we want the best. And we don't use the best. There are certain countries with genius computer systems and we didn't buy those. We need the best computer systems for aviation."

OMFG

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Anonymous wrote:If I was an air traffic controller, I'd quit. Walk. Bring this joke of a country to its knees.

Trump says they aren't qualified individuals, so leave. Let him try to staff it with people he deems qualified.

The US has never invested in any infrastructure outside of air travel. Let the US crumble because of its terrible, greedy decisions.

They need to quit in masse. That would incredible. Oh, please, please, please do it.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. This is 100% the fault of the military helicopter. They flew into the AA regional jet’s right rear side which was seconds away from touching down. There was nothing the AA pilots could have done, and nothing the Air traffic controllers could have done. The controllers were managing landing a passenger airplane every 2 minutes (!) up until this point, as they do every day at this airport! Terrible tragedy and 100% the helicopter flew directly into the right mid/rear of the passenger airplane. They should not fly training missions at night so close to the busiest airport of the nations capital.

Hegseth has already said the helicopter collided with the airliner in his video.

^ I hope law firms are paying attention, including those who will represent American Airlines, ATC employees, airport authority, etc.

You can't sue the US military for this. Immunity.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

No one knows yet.

To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.

That’s not true, the tower clearly advised the helicopter about the traffic, which plane it was and where it was going. Then they confirm visual separation. Then they actually do see it and tell the helicopter to go behind the plane. I don’t think there’s any way from what we could hear that the tower would anticipate the helicopter flying into the plane, but obviously we have limited info. But the tower does contact the helicopter before the crash.

It’s also amazing how he stayed so calm and redirected the other planes, especially that American pilot who was kind of a d$& about it.

But clearly the helicopter didn’t understand which plane the ATC had identified and that is part of the problem. We don’t know all of what was said, but it’s the ATCs job to make sure all the planes headed into the runway are aware of each other, on correct course and don’t collide, and that didn’t happen.

Did you listen to the ATC recording? That did happen. The controller confirmed with the BH pilot that he saw the airplane. The pilot confirmed he did.

Unclear if BH pilot was talking about the Wichita jet about to land on runway 33.

If a BH pilot wrongly assumed runway 1 or the next jet down the line. Bad news. MIs communication. MIs understanding. Neither should be happening in the air travel world. Crystal clear directions and identifications.

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Like others who have posted, I feel nauseated by Trump and his lackeys spinning the narrative that this tragedy had to be caused by DEI and blaming Obama and Biden. And here we go with a repeat of the obsequiousness of his first administration, with the transportation secretary, Pete Hedgseth, and JD Vance (I had to turn off the TV during his comments) thanking Trump for his amazing leadership. No facts of evidence, just the narrative that best suits their political purpose, insulting to all who were involved.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

No one knows yet.

To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.

That’s not true, the tower clearly advised the helicopter about the traffic, which plane it was and where it was going. Then they confirm visual separation. Then they actually do see it and tell the helicopter to go behind the plane. I don’t think there’s any way from what we could hear that the tower would anticipate the helicopter flying into the plane, but obviously we have limited info. But the tower does contact the helicopter before the crash.

It’s also amazing how he stayed so calm and redirected the other planes, especially that American pilot who was kind of a d$& about it.

But clearly the helicopter didn’t understand which plane the ATC had identified and that is part of the problem. We don’t know all of what was said, but it’s the ATCs job to make sure all the planes headed into the runway are aware of each other, on correct course and don’t collide, and that didn’t happen.

Did you listen to the ATC recording? That did happen. The controller confirmed with the BH pilot that he saw the airplane. The pilot confirmed he did.

NP From what I read there was more than just one airplane around as it's a busy landing approach path, and the pilot might have said that yes, he saw the plane, meaning another, and never saw this one.

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Mechanical problem? Cant steer?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's comms team did not advise him well on this. Blaming it on DEI and implying the air traffic controllers may have messed up because they have psychiatric disabilities is not wise. Also, the FAA's rules around disabilities are the same as every federal agencies. The rules are nothing new and were in place during Trump's first term. He is saying ATCs are mentally incompetent. He doesn't even know who made the mistake at this point.

He has one? Is it Wiles?
Did he "hire the best ones?"
Will he listen to them?

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This press conference might be the moment it all sinks in for me. We’re so f#%cked

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Anonymous wrote:Reporter: "What does diversity have to do with this crash?"

Trump: "It's just common sense. We want to have the best people and we don't. This is a big chess game. These are complex computer systems and we want the best. And we don't use the best. There are certain countries with genius computer systems and we didn't buy those. We need the best computer systems for aviation."

OMFG

Did Trump buy these computers in the 4 years he was President?