Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:Totally inappropriate use of the press conference by every speaker so far.

If I was personally affected by this tragedy I would be LIVID.

You are if you live in the USA. Should Military be able to access and fly helicopters on/off private property? Near and around airports, etc… where are the rules?

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Anonymous wrote:The water is below freezing. A doctor said 30 minutes is longest they could last. I hope I am wrong.

You are wrong. The water is a few degrees above freezing. Otherwise, it would be ice. Doesn't matter though. They died during the tremendous acceleration forces in the collision.

It was stated at 30 degrees and you are calling the doctor wrong. I just posted what he said. But of course you would know better.

A doctor is not a meteorologist.

https://seatemperature.info/washington-dc-water-temperature.html

35.6F. The Potomac is not "briny" in anyway. If it's liquid, it's above 32F. Please don't ignore The Science(TM).

Brackish

Brinish is for cooking but same concept.

All the snow salt also drains into the river

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Reporter: "What does diversity have to do with this crash?"

Trump: "It's just common sense. We want to have the best people and we don't. This is a big chess game. These are complex computer systems and we want the best. And we don't use the best. There are certain countries with genius computer systems and we didn't buy those. We need the best computer systems for aviation."

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Anonymous wrote:So Trump
Knows the identity of the pilot of course. Must not be a white male.
What an embarassment.

Not clear he knows anything at all.

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Trump's comms team did not advise him well on this. Blaming it on DEI and implying the air traffic controllers may have messed up because they have psychiatric disabilities is not wise. Also, the FAA's rules around disabilities are the same as every federal agencies. The rules are nothing new and were in place during Trump's first term. He is saying ATCs are mentally incompetent. He doesn't even know who made the mistake at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Reporter: "What does diversity have to do with this crash?"

Trump: "It's just common sense. We want to have the best people and we don't. This is a big chess game. These are complex computer systems and we want the best. And we don't use the best. There are certain countries with genius computer systems and we didn't buy those. We need the best computer systems for aviation."

He has no idea. Just talking out his a$$ as usual.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so confused re DEI. Probably the ATC and the pilots were white? Had anyone said differently?

No one has the profiles of the pilots, atc or anyone released yet.

Now I'm scared about what happens if anyone at ATC is revealed to be non-white or a woman (including any supervisor on duty) and the president is ready to pin the entire tragedy in them for being a "DEI hire." No effort to actually find out what procedural mistake caused this tragic event, they'll just blame the black guy or the Hispanic woman in the vicinity.

JD Vance just explained that lots of qualified people have been applying for jobs as ATCs for years but getting rejected because they were white. WTF? You can't make this stuff up.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s zero reason for so many helicopters in DC, let alone “training flights.” They fly too low over residential areas and seem to just be doing it as a lark. They should train elsewhere.

Not so sure about the so called training.
I thought they delivered VIPs to CIA, no?

Yes, they dropped the VIP(s?) off at Langley and then a less experienced pilot took the controls for "training hours" for the flight back. They are very much trying to hide that the reason the helicopter was there at all was because some faux-VIP wanted to skip traffic.

If you know this, report it anonymously to the NTSB

It’s in the public flight record that the helicopter originated from the area near Langley.

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a97753,ae313d

Did the helicopter take off from a neighborhood in McLean because that is what the attachment shows? If so WTF, and clearly not an annual training like they are saying.

Yes. It took off from the backyard of a home owned by a Saudi National.

I just saw this too. 811 Lawton Street. Does not seem like a training mission. At all.

We need confirmation on this. It's a serious statement to make.

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Anonymous wrote:Totally inappropriate use of the press conference by every speaker so far.

If I was personally affected by this tragedy I would be LIVID.

AMEN

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Anonymous wrote:This is incredibly well done:

It is amazing how much they juggle at once.

The controllers and pilots showed superhuman professionalism.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so confused re DEI. Probably the ATC and the pilots were white? Had anyone said differently?

I can't believe Trump and Vance are bringing up DEI this early in the tragedy and moreso when we don't even know who was at fault yet - the ATC or the pilots?
And were they DEI hires?

Totally crass!

Are you saying the pilots were: non-pale/ too much makeup like his ugly old self faced and he is blaming them for this? Now? When people are still mourning?

We don't know anything.

But he is at the news conference blaming this on DEI.

Sickening. And Vance emphasizing this.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's comms team did not advise him well on this. Blaming it on DEI and implying the air traffic controllers may have messed up because they have psychiatric disabilities is not wise. Also, the FAA's rules around disabilities are the same as every federal agencies. The rules are nothing new and were in place during Trump's first term. He is saying ATCs are mentally incompetent. He doesn't even know who made the mistake at this point.

It just doesn’t matter. His idiotic supporters will parrot anything he says.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

No one knows yet.

To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.

That’s not true, the tower clearly advised the helicopter about the traffic, which plane it was and where it was going. Then they confirm visual separation. Then they actually do see it and tell the helicopter to go behind the plane. I don’t think there’s any way from what we could hear that the tower would anticipate the helicopter flying into the plane, but obviously we have limited info. But the tower does contact the helicopter before the crash.

It’s also amazing how he stayed so calm and redirected the other planes, especially that American pilot who was kind of a d$& about it.

But clearly the helicopter didn’t understand which plane the ATC had identified and that is part of the problem. We don’t know all of what was said, but it’s the ATCs job to make sure all the planes headed into the runway are aware of each other, on correct course and don’t collide, and that didn’t happen.

Did you listen to the ATC recording? That did happen. The controller confirmed with the BH pilot that he saw the airplane. The pilot confirmed he did.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

No one knows yet.

To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.

That’s not true, the tower clearly advised the helicopter about the traffic, which plane it was and where it was going. Then they confirm visual separation. Then they actually do see it and tell the helicopter to go behind the plane. I don’t think there’s any way from what we could hear that the tower would anticipate the helicopter flying into the plane, but obviously we have limited info. But the tower does contact the helicopter before the crash.

It’s also amazing how he stayed so calm and redirected the other planes, especially that American pilot who was kind of a d$& about it.

But clearly the helicopter didn’t understand which plane the ATC had identified and that is part of the problem. We don’t know all of what was said, but it’s the ATCs job to make sure all the planes headed into the runway are aware of each other, on correct course and don’t collide, and that didn’t happen.

This.

Like the teacher or parent who barks out an order and then walks off. Instead of stepping in for the immediate needed course correction.

Meanwhile the kids are saying yes Yes Yes, but their actions are saying No No No.

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That was an absolute shit show. Just like his COVID press conferences.