Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.
Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.
These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.
I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.
It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?
I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?
Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?
What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition
No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.
Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.
What are you talking about
Working hard and fair competition is not just the American way, it should be applied to everywhere
Since you asked, personally I followed my parents when I was a minor, and my kids were born here like you I guess.
I don't hate anything. I just found that the college admission system has a lot of flaws and room for improvements.
It seems that the US Supreme Court would agree with me on some of them, and we'll see progress.
Systems evolve.
You are looking for a dictatorship. It is not here.
But go on with your tutoring.
It seems that you don't understand the meaning of the word, dictatorship.
The colleges are acting like dictators when they are receiving all sorts of government aid and support.
It is the colleges who get to decide who THEY want at THEIR school. NOT the pushy parents.
colleges shouldn't decide based on race, that's the point. It's illegal to base anything on race, a protected class.
You are correct, it should not be. Most people (except Asians) believe it currently is not, except for URMs - please look up the meaning of URM.
Point being, if all of one kind come to the U.S. at once, and most expect to be admitted, it is not going to happen. It has been this way for generations. You were given bad information, and now you want that information to be true, when it is not.
No one is "expecting" to be admitted to an elite college. People are "expecting" to not be discriminated against their race. I think black people would agree that no one should be discriminated against because of their race.
Black people wish you would be just as vocal when it comes to pay disparity........right crickets....
Paying someone less because of their race is illegal, as it should be. I'm glad you agree that they're both equally immoral.
AND YET IT STILL HAPPENS THERE IS DATA SHOWING IT AND I DONT HEAR ASIAN AMERICANS TAKING UP THE BANNER FOR OTHERS. So excuse me, while I make sure that my black son takes your kids' seat.
you don't have to take up the banner for Asian Americans. The lawsuit it doing that.
The NAACP rarely takes up the banner for other minorities other than black, other than platitudes.
You didn't get the pointed jab about how black kids are taking AA seats because that's what this comes down to. AA act like the seats in institutions are already theirs. And they are overrepresented as it were. So just look at it this way, your Asian kid will go to a T25-50 and can still make more than a black kid Ivy grad.
Thanks for playing!
don't know anyone who " act like the seats in institutions are already theirs.". These kids study hard, work hard. They don't "act like the seat is already theirs".
The point is not about whether they will be ok. The point is that they are discriminated against based on their race, just like how those colleges discriminated against Jews. Wrong then; wrong now.
When only 7% of the us population is asian, and 30% of Harvard's incoming class is asian, it seems hard to say they are discriminating.
Are you going to try to tell me that blacks and latinos are not as smart as asians?
Not necessarily smarter as a group, but one thing for sure: Asian parents are much harsher disciplinarians than Black, Hispanic, or even White patients in general. Have you read a book by Yale Law Professor Amy Chua, “Battle Hymn of Tiger Mother” published over a decade ago? Her own father, Leon Chua, was a famous professor of EE at UCB. Her dad and mom came to US basically penniless and her dad worked his xxx off to get his Ph.D. Intelligence is relevant, of course, but it’s really about hard work. That book is a bit depressing to read though—how she treated her own two daughters. But both went to Ivys. I believe her old daughter went to Yale Law and clerked for Justice Kavanaugh. One thing Amy Chua’s book is revealing—although it’s a pretty well known fact—if an Asian child breaks rules or is lazy, he/she is likely to face far harsher punishment in an Asian family than in a White, Black or Hispanic family. Of course, each family is different. But in general it’s true.
And they are drilled, drilled, drilled from early childhood to make sure they perform better than anyone else. So yeah, maybe not quite the secret sauce their target colleges are looking for.
If these kids are so so smart why do they have to work so hard? I'm much more impressed by the kid who didn't spend years prepping for the SAT who can get a near perfect score in one sitting. That kid is actually smart.
That’s the point. There is no scientific evidence that one race is smarter than another. Disparity in IQ scores does not prove that there is racial disparity in INNATE intelligence.
Btw my DS didn’t take ANY SAT prep course. Just bought a couple of books to study himself. Got 1590. Maybe that’s what you call “actually smart.”
"bought a couple of books to study"
Thats prepping
But not at the level for many privileged and asians. They spend 40 hour+ with 1-1 $150/hr tutoring to get that 1580. Very different than a self motivated kid who buys the books, studies for 10-15 hours and takes the test/gets a 1580.
Why do you care about other people's prepping?
Kids cant' spend 40 hour+ without motivation and dedication.
Do whatever fits you.
If a kid spend 40+ hours practicing and training to become a captain in a varsity football team, and eventually go to a college thanks to that, that's nothing different. I've never seen people complaining about kids practicing.
Very strange mindset.
But if the colleges and universities don't value getting the top SAT score for the sake of getting the best score, it's a waste of time. Being the best football player can get you recruited to play football. But if it doesn't nobody seems to be complaining about it. There isn't a lawsuit for washed up football players who didn't make it. The people spending all their free time on a test that doesn't matter as much as they think it should have a strange mindset.
It matters unless the school is test blind.
So kids should do their best getting top score.
It's a common sense.
Also common sense is not getting rascally discriminated.
Very very common sense stuff.
For all we know every other kid admitted to those schools for the same major had a 1600 and higher GPA. 1590 wasn't good enough.
Check your math.
Three are close to 2 million test takers each year, and only about 1,000 get the 1600 perfect score.
Harvard alone admits about 2000 students.
Clueless people are pending its not a big deal to get 1600 1590, and prepping would easily do that, but it's extremely hard and a big accomplishment.
But yet Harvard and the likes no longer care, once you hit the 1500+ it does not matter. And that is what these people are mad about. So rather than recognizing that it's only 1 small part of the admission picture, they get mad that their perfect/near perfect SAT kid did not gain admission to a highly rejective school. Most elite schools only care that you hit a certain mark (or just don't submit scores) and then they dont' look at SAT/ACT anymore. It's not the be all end all for deciding who is the best candidate. You may be mad about that, but it's reality. And IMO a good reality....many more indicators of who will be successful in life than an SAT test.
Again and again and gain and gain.
Of course they have high test scores, but also they have high scores on ECs, leadership, interview, essay, etc.
Now likability score is invented.
So now these people get mad.
A hiring manager once told me that when she calls someone in for an interview they already have the job. They have been vetted and pre-qualified. The interview is just to see whether or not they want to spend 8 hours a day with them almost every day of the year.
So while I agree that "likability scores" are borderline and suspicious its not like they aren't a real thing.
LOL Asians actually scored higher on likability by interviewers who actually talked to the student one on one.
There's really no excuse.
+1 again, the issue I have with Harvard's admission is the BS "likeability' where the AO marks Asian Americans as "low likeability" without ever having met them, yet the Interviewer, who has met them, marked them "likeable".
I stated up thread, using the job analogy... imagine applying for a job, where you meet all the checkmarks, but the hiring team categorizes you as "not likeable" having never met you all because you are black. How does that not scream racial discrimination?
If 30% of the employees are black, then no it does not. It says, we have a better candidate. Fact is many reasons why people don't get hires is very nuanced and the reasons might be only slightly different in some way. Heck, it might just be you didn't hit it off with the big boss and someone else did and they bonded over their kid's soccer or something. Many highly qualified get rejected, but you don't get to scream racism every time
If you are saying that 30% is enough Asian Americans, then that's using a racial quota, which is illegal.
Anonymous wrote:I think Affirmative Action is done. It's way too imperfect. Aside from the Asian American discrimination issue, wealthy and privileged African American and Latino students are getting a lot of the Affirmative Action spots. Is it really doing what it's intended to do anymore?
Moving to class-based AA makes more sense now, and honestly would help ease racial tensions.
+1. Class based would be more beneficial, and would more likely accomplish what the Elite schools are after---finding those kids who will really benefit from the elite education because it totally changes their circumstances. 70%+ of the time it will still be about race, because statistics do not lie, and over 50% of low income families are hispanic and black. So half the "low income students" will likely not be White.
Anonymous wrote:Picking socks to match an outfit and picking candidates to build an incoming class are not remotely equivalent.
Why not? That's how choices are made. The 1590 kid was never guaranteed that spot. He has no idea who took "his" spot. Could have been any number of factors. He was male, from the wrong state, bested by applicants with a 1600, not well rounded enough, had a lower GPA, weaker essays, etc etc. Why this guy decided it was solely based on his race is just his best guess which excludes a number of other likely reasons.
+1000
when 95%+ are rejected and over 90% of those rejected were "highly qualified" the reasons for rejection are not well known---one kid gets in because their volunteer work and essay about it was interesting and caught the AO attention---it was different than the previous 50 they had read so it goes in the Positive/definate pile. Yours is read and it's similar to the previous 20 the AO just read, so it goes in the "not today"/rejected pile. Yes, 90% of the applicants are highly qualified, yet only 3.4% are gonna make it in, nothing about why is cut and dry.
The likability thing is probably one of those surveys where you choose an option. And then write about why you chose it. The interviewers could be be writing things that are underhanded. Or maybe just saying things like "Jane was rather polite" as opposed to "Jane was rather polished" make a big difference to the committees? I'm sure there is inside slang
Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.
Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.
These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.
I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.
It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?
I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?
Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?
What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition
No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.
Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.
What are you talking about
Working hard and fair competition is not just the American way, it should be applied to everywhere
Since you asked, personally I followed my parents when I was a minor, and my kids were born here like you I guess.
I don't hate anything. I just found that the college admission system has a lot of flaws and room for improvements.
It seems that the US Supreme Court would agree with me on some of them, and we'll see progress.
Systems evolve.
You are looking for a dictatorship. It is not here.
But go on with your tutoring.
It seems that you don't understand the meaning of the word, dictatorship.
The colleges are acting like dictators when they are receiving all sorts of government aid and support.
It is the colleges who get to decide who THEY want at THEIR school. NOT the pushy parents.
colleges shouldn't decide based on race, that's the point. It's illegal to base anything on race, a protected class.
You are correct, it should not be. Most people (except Asians) believe it currently is not, except for URMs - please look up the meaning of URM.
Point being, if all of one kind come to the U.S. at once, and most expect to be admitted, it is not going to happen. It has been this way for generations. You were given bad information, and now you want that information to be true, when it is not.
No one is "expecting" to be admitted to an elite college. People are "expecting" to not be discriminated against their race. I think black people would agree that no one should be discriminated against because of their race.
Black people wish you would be just as vocal when it comes to pay disparity........right crickets....
Paying someone less because of their race is illegal, as it should be. I'm glad you agree that they're both equally immoral.
AND YET IT STILL HAPPENS THERE IS DATA SHOWING IT AND I DONT HEAR ASIAN AMERICANS TAKING UP THE BANNER FOR OTHERS. So excuse me, while I make sure that my black son takes your kids' seat.
you don't have to take up the banner for Asian Americans. The lawsuit it doing that.
The NAACP rarely takes up the banner for other minorities other than black, other than platitudes.
You didn't get the pointed jab about how black kids are taking AA seats because that's what this comes down to. AA act like the seats in institutions are already theirs. And they are overrepresented as it were. So just look at it this way, your Asian kid will go to a T25-50 and can still make more than a black kid Ivy grad.
Thanks for playing!
don't know anyone who " act like the seats in institutions are already theirs.". These kids study hard, work hard. They don't "act like the seat is already theirs".
The point is not about whether they will be ok. The point is that they are discriminated against based on their race, just like how those colleges discriminated against Jews. Wrong then; wrong now.
When only 7% of the us population is asian, and 30% of Harvard's incoming class is asian, it seems hard to say they are discriminating.
Are you going to try to tell me that blacks and latinos are not as smart as asians?
Not necessarily smarter as a group, but one thing for sure: Asian parents are much harsher disciplinarians than Black, Hispanic, or even White patients in general. Have you read a book by Yale Law Professor Amy Chua, “Battle Hymn of Tiger Mother” published over a decade ago? Her own father, Leon Chua, was a famous professor of EE at UCB. Her dad and mom came to US basically penniless and her dad worked his xxx off to get his Ph.D. Intelligence is relevant, of course, but it’s really about hard work. That book is a bit depressing to read though—how she treated her own two daughters. But both went to Ivys. I believe her old daughter went to Yale Law and clerked for Justice Kavanaugh. One thing Amy Chua’s book is revealing—although it’s a pretty well known fact—if an Asian child breaks rules or is lazy, he/she is likely to face far harsher punishment in an Asian family than in a White, Black or Hispanic family. Of course, each family is different. But in general it’s true.
And they are drilled, drilled, drilled from early childhood to make sure they perform better than anyone else. So yeah, maybe not quite the secret sauce their target colleges are looking for.
If these kids are so so smart why do they have to work so hard? I'm much more impressed by the kid who didn't spend years prepping for the SAT who can get a near perfect score in one sitting. That kid is actually smart.
That’s the point. There is no scientific evidence that one race is smarter than another. Disparity in IQ scores does not prove that there is racial disparity in INNATE intelligence.
Btw my DS didn’t take ANY SAT prep course. Just bought a couple of books to study himself. Got 1590. Maybe that’s what you call “actually smart.”
"bought a couple of books to study"
Thats prepping
But not at the level for many privileged and asians. They spend 40 hour+ with 1-1 $150/hr tutoring to get that 1580. Very different than a self motivated kid who buys the books, studies for 10-15 hours and takes the test/gets a 1580.
Why do you care about other people's prepping?
Kids cant' spend 40 hour+ without motivation and dedication.
Do whatever fits you.
If a kid spend 40+ hours practicing and training to become a captain in a varsity football team, and eventually go to a college thanks to that, that's nothing different. I've never seen people complaining about kids practicing.
Very strange mindset.
But if the colleges and universities don't value getting the top SAT score for the sake of getting the best score, it's a waste of time. Being the best football player can get you recruited to play football. But if it doesn't nobody seems to be complaining about it. There isn't a lawsuit for washed up football players who didn't make it. The people spending all their free time on a test that doesn't matter as much as they think it should have a strange mindset.
It matters unless the school is test blind.
So kids should do their best getting top score.
It's a common sense.
Also common sense is not getting rascally discriminated.
Very very common sense stuff.
For all we know every other kid admitted to those schools for the same major had a 1600 and higher GPA. 1590 wasn't good enough.
Check your math.
Three are close to 2 million test takers each year, and only about 1,000 get the 1600 perfect score.
Harvard alone admits about 2000 students.
Clueless people are pending its not a big deal to get 1600 1590, and prepping would easily do that, but it's extremely hard and a big accomplishment.
But yet Harvard and the likes no longer care, once you hit the 1500+ it does not matter. And that is what these people are mad about. So rather than recognizing that it's only 1 small part of the admission picture, they get mad that their perfect/near perfect SAT kid did not gain admission to a highly rejective school. Most elite schools only care that you hit a certain mark (or just don't submit scores) and then they dont' look at SAT/ACT anymore. It's not the be all end all for deciding who is the best candidate. You may be mad about that, but it's reality. And IMO a good reality....many more indicators of who will be successful in life than an SAT test.
Again and again and gain and gain.
Of course they have high test scores, but also they have high scores on ECs, leadership, interview, essay, etc.
Now likability score is invented.
So now these people get mad.
A hiring manager once told me that when she calls someone in for an interview they already have the job. They have been vetted and pre-qualified. The interview is just to see whether or not they want to spend 8 hours a day with them almost every day of the year.
So while I agree that "likability scores" are borderline and suspicious its not like they aren't a real thing.
LOL Asians actually scored higher on likability by interviewers who actually talked to the student one on one.
There's really no excuse.
+1 again, the issue I have with Harvard's admission is the BS "likeability' where the AO marks Asian Americans as "low likeability" without ever having met them, yet the Interviewer, who has met them, marked them "likeable".
I stated up thread, using the job analogy... imagine applying for a job, where you meet all the checkmarks, but the hiring team categorizes you as "not likeable" having never met you all because you are black. How does that not scream racial discrimination?
If 30% of the employees are black, then no it does not. It says, we have a better candidate. Fact is many reasons why people don't get hires is very nuanced and the reasons might be only slightly different in some way. Heck, it might just be you didn't hit it off with the big boss and someone else did and they bonded over their kid's soccer or something. Many highly qualified get rejected, but you don't get to scream racism every time
If you are saying that 30% is enough Asian Americans, then that's using a racial quota, which is illegal.
NP. How is this any different than what the US government does today with immigration?
Under the per-country cap set in the Immigration Act of 1990, no country can receive more than 7 percent of the total number of employment-based and family-sponsored preference visas in a given year.
Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.
Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.
These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.
I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.
It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?
I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?
Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?
What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition
No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.
Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.
What are you talking about
Working hard and fair competition is not just the American way, it should be applied to everywhere
Since you asked, personally I followed my parents when I was a minor, and my kids were born here like you I guess.
I don't hate anything. I just found that the college admission system has a lot of flaws and room for improvements.
It seems that the US Supreme Court would agree with me on some of them, and we'll see progress.
Systems evolve.
You are looking for a dictatorship. It is not here.
But go on with your tutoring.
It seems that you don't understand the meaning of the word, dictatorship.
The colleges are acting like dictators when they are receiving all sorts of government aid and support.
It is the colleges who get to decide who THEY want at THEIR school. NOT the pushy parents.
colleges shouldn't decide based on race, that's the point. It's illegal to base anything on race, a protected class.
You are correct, it should not be. Most people (except Asians) believe it currently is not, except for URMs - please look up the meaning of URM.
Point being, if all of one kind come to the U.S. at once, and most expect to be admitted, it is not going to happen. It has been this way for generations. You were given bad information, and now you want that information to be true, when it is not.
No one is "expecting" to be admitted to an elite college. People are "expecting" to not be discriminated against their race. I think black people would agree that no one should be discriminated against because of their race.
Black people wish you would be just as vocal when it comes to pay disparity........right crickets....
Paying someone less because of their race is illegal, as it should be. I'm glad you agree that they're both equally immoral.
AND YET IT STILL HAPPENS THERE IS DATA SHOWING IT AND I DONT HEAR ASIAN AMERICANS TAKING UP THE BANNER FOR OTHERS. So excuse me, while I make sure that my black son takes your kids' seat.
you don't have to take up the banner for Asian Americans. The lawsuit it doing that.
The NAACP rarely takes up the banner for other minorities other than black, other than platitudes.
You didn't get the pointed jab about how black kids are taking AA seats because that's what this comes down to. AA act like the seats in institutions are already theirs. And they are overrepresented as it were. So just look at it this way, your Asian kid will go to a T25-50 and can still make more than a black kid Ivy grad.
Thanks for playing!
don't know anyone who " act like the seats in institutions are already theirs.". These kids study hard, work hard. They don't "act like the seat is already theirs".
The point is not about whether they will be ok. The point is that they are discriminated against based on their race, just like how those colleges discriminated against Jews. Wrong then; wrong now.
When only 7% of the us population is asian, and 30% of Harvard's incoming class is asian, it seems hard to say they are discriminating.
Are you going to try to tell me that blacks and latinos are not as smart as asians?
Not necessarily smarter as a group, but one thing for sure: Asian parents are much harsher disciplinarians than Black, Hispanic, or even White patients in general. Have you read a book by Yale Law Professor Amy Chua, “Battle Hymn of Tiger Mother” published over a decade ago? Her own father, Leon Chua, was a famous professor of EE at UCB. Her dad and mom came to US basically penniless and her dad worked his xxx off to get his Ph.D. Intelligence is relevant, of course, but it’s really about hard work. That book is a bit depressing to read though—how she treated her own two daughters. But both went to Ivys. I believe her old daughter went to Yale Law and clerked for Justice Kavanaugh. One thing Amy Chua’s book is revealing—although it’s a pretty well known fact—if an Asian child breaks rules or is lazy, he/she is likely to face far harsher punishment in an Asian family than in a White, Black or Hispanic family. Of course, each family is different. But in general it’s true.
And they are drilled, drilled, drilled from early childhood to make sure they perform better than anyone else. So yeah, maybe not quite the secret sauce their target colleges are looking for.
If these kids are so so smart why do they have to work so hard? I'm much more impressed by the kid who didn't spend years prepping for the SAT who can get a near perfect score in one sitting. That kid is actually smart.
That’s the point. There is no scientific evidence that one race is smarter than another. Disparity in IQ scores does not prove that there is racial disparity in INNATE intelligence.
Btw my DS didn’t take ANY SAT prep course. Just bought a couple of books to study himself. Got 1590. Maybe that’s what you call “actually smart.”
"bought a couple of books to study"
Thats prepping
But not at the level for many privileged and asians. They spend 40 hour+ with 1-1 $150/hr tutoring to get that 1580. Very different than a self motivated kid who buys the books, studies for 10-15 hours and takes the test/gets a 1580.
Why do you care about other people's prepping?
Kids cant' spend 40 hour+ without motivation and dedication.
Do whatever fits you.
If a kid spend 40+ hours practicing and training to become a captain in a varsity football team, and eventually go to a college thanks to that, that's nothing different. I've never seen people complaining about kids practicing.
Very strange mindset.
But if the colleges and universities don't value getting the top SAT score for the sake of getting the best score, it's a waste of time. Being the best football player can get you recruited to play football. But if it doesn't nobody seems to be complaining about it. There isn't a lawsuit for washed up football players who didn't make it. The people spending all their free time on a test that doesn't matter as much as they think it should have a strange mindset.
It matters unless the school is test blind.
So kids should do their best getting top score.
It's a common sense.
Also common sense is not getting rascally discriminated.
Very very common sense stuff.
For all we know every other kid admitted to those schools for the same major had a 1600 and higher GPA. 1590 wasn't good enough.
Check your math.
Three are close to 2 million test takers each year, and only about 1,000 get the 1600 perfect score.
Harvard alone admits about 2000 students.
Clueless people are pending its not a big deal to get 1600 1590, and prepping would easily do that, but it's extremely hard and a big accomplishment.
But yet Harvard and the likes no longer care, once you hit the 1500+ it does not matter. And that is what these people are mad about. So rather than recognizing that it's only 1 small part of the admission picture, they get mad that their perfect/near perfect SAT kid did not gain admission to a highly rejective school. Most elite schools only care that you hit a certain mark (or just don't submit scores) and then they dont' look at SAT/ACT anymore. It's not the be all end all for deciding who is the best candidate. You may be mad about that, but it's reality. And IMO a good reality....many more indicators of who will be successful in life than an SAT test.
Again and again and gain and gain.
Of course they have high test scores, but also they have high scores on ECs, leadership, interview, essay, etc.
Now likability score is invented.
So now these people get mad.
A hiring manager once told me that when she calls someone in for an interview they already have the job. They have been vetted and pre-qualified. The interview is just to see whether or not they want to spend 8 hours a day with them almost every day of the year.
So while I agree that "likability scores" are borderline and suspicious its not like they aren't a real thing.
LOL Asians actually scored higher on likability by interviewers who actually talked to the student one on one.
There's really no excuse.
+1 again, the issue I have with Harvard's admission is the BS "likeability' where the AO marks Asian Americans as "low likeability" without ever having met them, yet the Interviewer, who has met them, marked them "likeable".
I stated up thread, using the job analogy... imagine applying for a job, where you meet all the checkmarks, but the hiring team categorizes you as "not likeable" having never met you all because you are black. How does that not scream racial discrimination?
If 30% of the employees are black, then no it does not. It says, we have a better candidate. Fact is many reasons why people don't get hires is very nuanced and the reasons might be only slightly different in some way. Heck, it might just be you didn't hit it off with the big boss and someone else did and they bonded over their kid's soccer or something. Many highly qualified get rejected, but you don't get to scream racism every time
If you are saying that 30% is enough Asian Americans, then that's using a racial quota, which is illegal.
NP. How is this any different than what the US government does today with immigration?
Under the per-country cap set in the Immigration Act of 1990, no country can receive more than 7 percent of the total number of employment-based and family-sponsored preference visas in a given year.
omg.. please tell me you are not an educated person.
How is this any different? Because the immigration act applies to ALL countries with various races the same. They are not giving preference to Africans, or Asians, or Europeans. It's the same across the board.
People here who think what Harvard is doing is fine are saying that 30% is big enough, Asian Americans are over represented, ie they want a racial quota. Are they applying the same 30% to white people? No, they are not. They have no racial quota for white people.
Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.
Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.
These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.
I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.
It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?
I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?
Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?
What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition
No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.
Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.
What are you talking about
Working hard and fair competition is not just the American way, it should be applied to everywhere
Since you asked, personally I followed my parents when I was a minor, and my kids were born here like you I guess.
I don't hate anything. I just found that the college admission system has a lot of flaws and room for improvements.
It seems that the US Supreme Court would agree with me on some of them, and we'll see progress.
Systems evolve.
You are looking for a dictatorship. It is not here.
But go on with your tutoring.
It seems that you don't understand the meaning of the word, dictatorship.
The colleges are acting like dictators when they are receiving all sorts of government aid and support.
It is the colleges who get to decide who THEY want at THEIR school. NOT the pushy parents.
colleges shouldn't decide based on race, that's the point. It's illegal to base anything on race, a protected class.
You are correct, it should not be. Most people (except Asians) believe it currently is not, except for URMs - please look up the meaning of URM.
Point being, if all of one kind come to the U.S. at once, and most expect to be admitted, it is not going to happen. It has been this way for generations. You were given bad information, and now you want that information to be true, when it is not.
No one is "expecting" to be admitted to an elite college. People are "expecting" to not be discriminated against their race. I think black people would agree that no one should be discriminated against because of their race.
Black people wish you would be just as vocal when it comes to pay disparity........right crickets....
Paying someone less because of their race is illegal, as it should be. I'm glad you agree that they're both equally immoral.
AND YET IT STILL HAPPENS THERE IS DATA SHOWING IT AND I DONT HEAR ASIAN AMERICANS TAKING UP THE BANNER FOR OTHERS. So excuse me, while I make sure that my black son takes your kids' seat.
you don't have to take up the banner for Asian Americans. The lawsuit it doing that.
The NAACP rarely takes up the banner for other minorities other than black, other than platitudes.
You didn't get the pointed jab about how black kids are taking AA seats because that's what this comes down to. AA act like the seats in institutions are already theirs. And they are overrepresented as it were. So just look at it this way, your Asian kid will go to a T25-50 and can still make more than a black kid Ivy grad.
Thanks for playing!
don't know anyone who " act like the seats in institutions are already theirs.". These kids study hard, work hard. They don't "act like the seat is already theirs".
The point is not about whether they will be ok. The point is that they are discriminated against based on their race, just like how those colleges discriminated against Jews. Wrong then; wrong now.
When only 7% of the us population is asian, and 30% of Harvard's incoming class is asian, it seems hard to say they are discriminating.
Are you going to try to tell me that blacks and latinos are not as smart as asians?
Not necessarily smarter as a group, but one thing for sure: Asian parents are much harsher disciplinarians than Black, Hispanic, or even White patients in general. Have you read a book by Yale Law Professor Amy Chua, “Battle Hymn of Tiger Mother” published over a decade ago? Her own father, Leon Chua, was a famous professor of EE at UCB. Her dad and mom came to US basically penniless and her dad worked his xxx off to get his Ph.D. Intelligence is relevant, of course, but it’s really about hard work. That book is a bit depressing to read though—how she treated her own two daughters. But both went to Ivys. I believe her old daughter went to Yale Law and clerked for Justice Kavanaugh. One thing Amy Chua’s book is revealing—although it’s a pretty well known fact—if an Asian child breaks rules or is lazy, he/she is likely to face far harsher punishment in an Asian family than in a White, Black or Hispanic family. Of course, each family is different. But in general it’s true.
And they are drilled, drilled, drilled from early childhood to make sure they perform better than anyone else. So yeah, maybe not quite the secret sauce their target colleges are looking for.
If these kids are so so smart why do they have to work so hard? I'm much more impressed by the kid who didn't spend years prepping for the SAT who can get a near perfect score in one sitting. That kid is actually smart.
That’s the point. There is no scientific evidence that one race is smarter than another. Disparity in IQ scores does not prove that there is racial disparity in INNATE intelligence.
Btw my DS didn’t take ANY SAT prep course. Just bought a couple of books to study himself. Got 1590. Maybe that’s what you call “actually smart.”
"bought a couple of books to study"
Thats prepping
But not at the level for many privileged and asians. They spend 40 hour+ with 1-1 $150/hr tutoring to get that 1580. Very different than a self motivated kid who buys the books, studies for 10-15 hours and takes the test/gets a 1580.
Why do you care about other people's prepping?
Kids cant' spend 40 hour+ without motivation and dedication.
Do whatever fits you.
If a kid spend 40+ hours practicing and training to become a captain in a varsity football team, and eventually go to a college thanks to that, that's nothing different. I've never seen people complaining about kids practicing.
Very strange mindset.
But if the colleges and universities don't value getting the top SAT score for the sake of getting the best score, it's a waste of time. Being the best football player can get you recruited to play football. But if it doesn't nobody seems to be complaining about it. There isn't a lawsuit for washed up football players who didn't make it. The people spending all their free time on a test that doesn't matter as much as they think it should have a strange mindset.
It matters unless the school is test blind.
So kids should do their best getting top score.
It's a common sense.
Also common sense is not getting rascally discriminated.
Very very common sense stuff.
For all we know every other kid admitted to those schools for the same major had a 1600 and higher GPA. 1590 wasn't good enough.
Check your math.
Three are close to 2 million test takers each year, and only about 1,000 get the 1600 perfect score.
Harvard alone admits about 2000 students.
Clueless people are pending its not a big deal to get 1600 1590, and prepping would easily do that, but it's extremely hard and a big accomplishment.
But yet Harvard and the likes no longer care, once you hit the 1500+ it does not matter. And that is what these people are mad about. So rather than recognizing that it's only 1 small part of the admission picture, they get mad that their perfect/near perfect SAT kid did not gain admission to a highly rejective school. Most elite schools only care that you hit a certain mark (or just don't submit scores) and then they dont' look at SAT/ACT anymore. It's not the be all end all for deciding who is the best candidate. You may be mad about that, but it's reality. And IMO a good reality....many more indicators of who will be successful in life than an SAT test.
Again and again and gain and gain.
Of course they have high test scores, but also they have high scores on ECs, leadership, interview, essay, etc.
Now likability score is invented.
So now these people get mad.
A hiring manager once told me that when she calls someone in for an interview they already have the job. They have been vetted and pre-qualified. The interview is just to see whether or not they want to spend 8 hours a day with them almost every day of the year.
So while I agree that "likability scores" are borderline and suspicious its not like they aren't a real thing.
LOL Asians actually scored higher on likability by interviewers who actually talked to the student one on one.
There's really no excuse.
+1 again, the issue I have with Harvard's admission is the BS "likeability' where the AO marks Asian Americans as "low likeability" without ever having met them, yet the Interviewer, who has met them, marked them "likeable".
I stated up thread, using the job analogy... imagine applying for a job, where you meet all the checkmarks, but the hiring team categorizes you as "not likeable" having never met you all because you are black. How does that not scream racial discrimination?
If 30% of the employees are black, then no it does not. It says, we have a better candidate. Fact is many reasons why people don't get hires is very nuanced and the reasons might be only slightly different in some way. Heck, it might just be you didn't hit it off with the big boss and someone else did and they bonded over their kid's soccer or something. Many highly qualified get rejected, but you don't get to scream racism every time
If you are saying that 30% is enough Asian Americans, then that's using a racial quota, which is illegal.
NP. How is this any different than what the US government does today with immigration?
Under the per-country cap set in the Immigration Act of 1990, no country can receive more than 7 percent of the total number of employment-based and family-sponsored preference visas in a given year.
omg.. please tell me you are not an educated person.
How is this any different? Because the immigration act applies to ALL countries with various races the same. They are not giving preference to Africans, or Asians, or Europeans. It's the same across the board.
People here who think what Harvard is doing is fine are saying that 30% is big enough, Asian Americans are over represented, ie they want a racial quota. Are they applying the same 30% to white people? No, they are not. They have no racial quota for white people.
FFS
Dear FFS,
That’s what I’m getting to. I’m saying would those crying this is unfair be happier if colleges implemented a cap on students based on their background? No race shall receive more 25% admitted on any given year.
That would be a great solution.
There are plenty qualified kids of all races to be able to each represent the cap.
Anonymous wrote:Looks like we have some newbies. Welcome!
Again before this law suit, I blindly thought that Asian students are probably weaker in ECs, Interview, leadership, etc. with the stereotyping.
However that's not the case, and it's actually the opposite. Asian students actually have better scores on those.
Asians have every right to get mad and the law suit makes perfect sense.
This is a compelling argument that Asians should be admitted to Harvard at a higher rate than they are. It is not a remotely compelling argument that every kid with a 1590 is entitled to admission. Which is the claim at the foundation of this thread.
That is why the entire lawsuit is ridiculous. Many many many (over 95%) of applicants are rejected. So screaming "racism" as a reason is just a tad ridiculous. There are so many other reasons for the rejection, including the simple fact, yeah you are a good candidate but we can only take 3.4% so you didn't win the lottery
What Harvard did is ridiculous.
The lawsuit is more than reasonable.
Anonymous wrote:The likability thing is probably one of those surveys where you choose an option. And then write about why you chose it. The interviewers could be be writing things that are underhanded. Or maybe just saying things like "Jane was rather polite" as opposed to "Jane was rather polished" make a big difference to the committees? I'm sure there is inside slang
What are you talking about??
The interviewers actually gave higher points to Asians students.
It was suddenly flipped big at the admissions committee.
Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.
Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.
These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.
I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.
It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?
I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?
Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?
What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition
No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.
Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.
What are you talking about
Working hard and fair competition is not just the American way, it should be applied to everywhere
Since you asked, personally I followed my parents when I was a minor, and my kids were born here like you I guess.
I don't hate anything. I just found that the college admission system has a lot of flaws and room for improvements.
It seems that the US Supreme Court would agree with me on some of them, and we'll see progress.
Systems evolve.
You are looking for a dictatorship. It is not here.
But go on with your tutoring.
It seems that you don't understand the meaning of the word, dictatorship.
The colleges are acting like dictators when they are receiving all sorts of government aid and support.
It is the colleges who get to decide who THEY want at THEIR school. NOT the pushy parents.
colleges shouldn't decide based on race, that's the point. It's illegal to base anything on race, a protected class.
You are correct, it should not be. Most people (except Asians) believe it currently is not, except for URMs - please look up the meaning of URM.
Point being, if all of one kind come to the U.S. at once, and most expect to be admitted, it is not going to happen. It has been this way for generations. You were given bad information, and now you want that information to be true, when it is not.
No one is "expecting" to be admitted to an elite college. People are "expecting" to not be discriminated against their race. I think black people would agree that no one should be discriminated against because of their race.
Black people wish you would be just as vocal when it comes to pay disparity........right crickets....
Paying someone less because of their race is illegal, as it should be. I'm glad you agree that they're both equally immoral.
AND YET IT STILL HAPPENS THERE IS DATA SHOWING IT AND I DONT HEAR ASIAN AMERICANS TAKING UP THE BANNER FOR OTHERS. So excuse me, while I make sure that my black son takes your kids' seat.
you don't have to take up the banner for Asian Americans. The lawsuit it doing that.
The NAACP rarely takes up the banner for other minorities other than black, other than platitudes.
You didn't get the pointed jab about how black kids are taking AA seats because that's what this comes down to. AA act like the seats in institutions are already theirs. And they are overrepresented as it were. So just look at it this way, your Asian kid will go to a T25-50 and can still make more than a black kid Ivy grad.
Thanks for playing!
don't know anyone who " act like the seats in institutions are already theirs.". These kids study hard, work hard. They don't "act like the seat is already theirs".
The point is not about whether they will be ok. The point is that they are discriminated against based on their race, just like how those colleges discriminated against Jews. Wrong then; wrong now.
When only 7% of the us population is asian, and 30% of Harvard's incoming class is asian, it seems hard to say they are discriminating.
Are you going to try to tell me that blacks and latinos are not as smart as asians?
Not necessarily smarter as a group, but one thing for sure: Asian parents are much harsher disciplinarians than Black, Hispanic, or even White patients in general. Have you read a book by Yale Law Professor Amy Chua, “Battle Hymn of Tiger Mother” published over a decade ago? Her own father, Leon Chua, was a famous professor of EE at UCB. Her dad and mom came to US basically penniless and her dad worked his xxx off to get his Ph.D. Intelligence is relevant, of course, but it’s really about hard work. That book is a bit depressing to read though—how she treated her own two daughters. But both went to Ivys. I believe her old daughter went to Yale Law and clerked for Justice Kavanaugh. One thing Amy Chua’s book is revealing—although it’s a pretty well known fact—if an Asian child breaks rules or is lazy, he/she is likely to face far harsher punishment in an Asian family than in a White, Black or Hispanic family. Of course, each family is different. But in general it’s true.
And they are drilled, drilled, drilled from early childhood to make sure they perform better than anyone else. So yeah, maybe not quite the secret sauce their target colleges are looking for.
If these kids are so so smart why do they have to work so hard? I'm much more impressed by the kid who didn't spend years prepping for the SAT who can get a near perfect score in one sitting. That kid is actually smart.
That’s the point. There is no scientific evidence that one race is smarter than another. Disparity in IQ scores does not prove that there is racial disparity in INNATE intelligence.
Btw my DS didn’t take ANY SAT prep course. Just bought a couple of books to study himself. Got 1590. Maybe that’s what you call “actually smart.”
"bought a couple of books to study"
Thats prepping
But not at the level for many privileged and asians. They spend 40 hour+ with 1-1 $150/hr tutoring to get that 1580. Very different than a self motivated kid who buys the books, studies for 10-15 hours and takes the test/gets a 1580.
Why do you care about other people's prepping?
Kids cant' spend 40 hour+ without motivation and dedication.
Do whatever fits you.
If a kid spend 40+ hours practicing and training to become a captain in a varsity football team, and eventually go to a college thanks to that, that's nothing different. I've never seen people complaining about kids practicing.
Very strange mindset.
But if the colleges and universities don't value getting the top SAT score for the sake of getting the best score, it's a waste of time. Being the best football player can get you recruited to play football. But if it doesn't nobody seems to be complaining about it. There isn't a lawsuit for washed up football players who didn't make it. The people spending all their free time on a test that doesn't matter as much as they think it should have a strange mindset.
It matters unless the school is test blind.
So kids should do their best getting top score.
It's a common sense.
Also common sense is not getting rascally discriminated.
Very very common sense stuff.
For all we know every other kid admitted to those schools for the same major had a 1600 and higher GPA. 1590 wasn't good enough.
Check your math.
Three are close to 2 million test takers each year, and only about 1,000 get the 1600 perfect score.
Harvard alone admits about 2000 students.
Clueless people are pending its not a big deal to get 1600 1590, and prepping would easily do that, but it's extremely hard and a big accomplishment.
But yet Harvard and the likes no longer care, once you hit the 1500+ it does not matter. And that is what these people are mad about. So rather than recognizing that it's only 1 small part of the admission picture, they get mad that their perfect/near perfect SAT kid did not gain admission to a highly rejective school. Most elite schools only care that you hit a certain mark (or just don't submit scores) and then they dont' look at SAT/ACT anymore. It's not the be all end all for deciding who is the best candidate. You may be mad about that, but it's reality. And IMO a good reality....many more indicators of who will be successful in life than an SAT test.
Again and again and gain and gain.
Of course they have high test scores, but also they have high scores on ECs, leadership, interview, essay, etc.
Now likability score is invented.
So now these people get mad.
A hiring manager once told me that when she calls someone in for an interview they already have the job. They have been vetted and pre-qualified. The interview is just to see whether or not they want to spend 8 hours a day with them almost every day of the year.
So while I agree that "likability scores" are borderline and suspicious its not like they aren't a real thing.
LOL Asians actually scored higher on likability by interviewers who actually talked to the student one on one.
There's really no excuse.
+1 again, the issue I have with Harvard's admission is the BS "likeability' where the AO marks Asian Americans as "low likeability" without ever having met them, yet the Interviewer, who has met them, marked them "likeable".
I stated up thread, using the job analogy... imagine applying for a job, where you meet all the checkmarks, but the hiring team categorizes you as "not likeable" having never met you all because you are black. How does that not scream racial discrimination?
Of course there is racial discrimination in hiring already. Some people help the firm meet diversity initiatives and goals and some don't and hiring decisions are made accordingly.
So you are agree that this type of categorization is discrimination, both in the workplace and college admissions, yes?
When you pick one thing over another you are discriminating. It doesn't make it illegal. If I pick a blue shirt over a green shirt I have discriminated. There are only so many spots, they can't take everyone, so choices are made.
you seem confused about the law.
Picking a person with a blue shirt = not discrimination
Picking a person due to race = discrimination.
A college applicant is not selected solely because of their race.
A college applicant is not rejected solely because of their race.
There are 40 or so variables that are assessed in aggregate by admissions committees of multiple people for INDIVIDUAL applications.
I think reasonable people realize this. Especially for colleges like Harvard and other elite colleges.
Anonymous wrote:An Asian American student from Florida with a 1590 SAT score who was rejected from six elite universities has joined the Supreme Court case seeking to end race-based admissions.
About the student: Jon Wang, an 18-year-old student with a 4.65 high school GPA and a perfect score on the SAT's math section, was rejected from MIT, CalTech, Princeton, Harvard, Carnegie Mellon and the University of California, Berkeley. He blames affirmative action, which notably was banned in California in 1995.
"I gave them my test scores, and then they must've ran the model on that… [they] told me I had a 20% chance of getting accepted to Harvard as an Asian American and a 95% chance as an African American," Wang, whose parents immigrated from China, told Fox News.
Wang has since been accepted at the Georgia Institute of Technology.
Wang joined the anti-affirmative action nonprofit Students for Fair Admissions (SFFA), which is currently seeking to overturn the Supreme Court’s 2003 ruling in Grutter v. Bollinger in cases against Harvard and the University of North Carolina.
The lawsuits: The two landmark cases — Students for Fair Admissions v. President and Fellows of Harvard and Students for Fair Admissions v. University of North Carolina — were kept separate by the Supreme Court due to Harvard's status as a private institution; UNC, on the other hand, is public. The case against Harvard examines whether the university violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act by "discriminating against Asian American applicants in favor of white applicants," while UNC is similarly being sued for refusing to consider a "race-neutral alternative" in their admissions.
Anonymous wrote:An Asian American student from Florida with a 1590 SAT score who was rejected from six elite universities has joined the Supreme Court case seeking to end race-based admissions.
About the student: Jon Wang, an 18-year-old student with a 4.65 high school GPA and a perfect score on the SAT's math section, was rejected from MIT, CalTech, Princeton, Harvard, Carnegie Mellon and the University of California, Berkeley. He blames affirmative action, which notably was banned in California in 1995.
"I gave them my test scores, and then they must've ran the model on that… [they] told me I had a 20% chance of getting accepted to Harvard as an Asian American and a 95% chance as an African American," Wang, whose parents immigrated from China, told Fox News.
Wang has since been accepted at the Georgia Institute of Technology.
Wang joined the anti-affirmative action nonprofit Students for Fair Admissions (SFFA), which is currently seeking to overturn the Supreme Court’s 2003 ruling in Grutter v. Bollinger in cases against Harvard and the University of North Carolina.
The lawsuits: The two landmark cases — Students for Fair Admissions v. President and Fellows of Harvard and Students for Fair Admissions v. University of North Carolina — were kept separate by the Supreme Court due to Harvard's status as a private institution; UNC, on the other hand, is public. The case against Harvard examines whether the university violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act by "discriminating against Asian American applicants in favor of white applicants," while UNC is similarly being sued for refusing to consider a "race-neutral alternative" in their admissions.
I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.
I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.
They fare better in Asia than Asians over here. White people are revered in Asia.
I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.
“Something tells me…”. That means you have zero evidence. Zilch.
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