Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has lost its way. Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now. Israel needs to get rid of Bibi immediately.

'Most reasonable ' - If they disagree with you they are unreasonable?

DP I think most reasonable people, regardless of whether they are Jewish, don't support starvation. I also think a person is unreasonable if they support starvation.

Do you disagree with that?

“Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now.”

Not exactly. The Jewish people I know in the US are aghast at the situation, but place the blame squarely on Hamas for attacking Israel in October 7.

I am as moderate and normie as they come - I primarily blame Hamas. I don't think Israel is faultless. I think it would have been smarter and more humane to do more to protect civilians, and to get food and medicine to Palestinians. Not that the world still wouldn't have come out against Israel - I think a lot of pent up hostility and anti-semitism found its opportunity here. But it would have been better. I don't know how you would have done that, but there must have been a way.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has lost its way. Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now. Israel needs to get rid of Bibi immediately.

'Most reasonable ' - If they disagree with you they are unreasonable?

DP I think most reasonable people, regardless of whether they are Jewish, don't support starvation. I also think a person is unreasonable if they support starvation.

Do you disagree with that?

“Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now.”

Not exactly. The Jewish people I know in the US are aghast at the situation, but place the blame squarely on Hamas for attacking Israel in October 7.

I am as moderate and normie as they come - I primarily blame Hamas. I don't think Israel is faultless. I think it would have been smarter and more humane to do more to protect civilians, and to get food and medicine to Palestinians. Not that the world still wouldn't have come out against Israel - I think a lot of pent up hostility and anti-semitism found its opportunity here. But it would have been better. I don't know how you would have done that, but there must have been a way.

I mostly align with this philosophy as well. The dead giveaway was the world blaming Israel on 10/7, weeks before they even launched a counteroffensive. The other dead giveaway is the one or two rabid posters here who keep denying what happened on 10/7.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has lost its way. Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now. Israel needs to get rid of Bibi immediately.

'Most reasonable ' - If they disagree with you they are unreasonable?

DP I think most reasonable people, regardless of whether they are Jewish, don't support starvation. I also think a person is unreasonable if they support starvation.

Do you disagree with that?

“Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now.”

Not exactly. The Jewish people I know in the US are aghast at the situation, but place the blame squarely on Hamas for attacking Israel in October 7.

I am as moderate and normie as they come - I primarily blame Hamas. I don't think Israel is faultless. I think it would have been smarter and more humane to do more to protect civilians, and to get food and medicine to Palestinians. Not that the world still wouldn't have come out against Israel - I think a lot of pent up hostility and anti-semitism found its opportunity here. But it would have been better. I don't know how you would have done that, but there must have been a way.

I mostly align with this philosophy as well. The dead giveaway was the world blaming Israel on 10/7, weeks before they even launched a counteroffensive. The other dead giveaway is the one or two rabid posters here who keep denying what happened on 10/7.

Yes. You are totally fine with starving a mostly civilian pooulation to death.

Got it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hamas takes so much of the aid. I loathe the people blocking aid trucks, but I understand how they feel--that the aid is helping the terrorists more than the ordinary Gazans. Here's one Palestinian who witnessed Hamas shooting at people trying to get aid: https://www.memri.org/tv/displaced-gaza-man-protests-hamas-shooting-hungry-people-looking-for-food-sinwar-killing-us

So Hamas operates openly after 150 days of IDF operations?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hamas takes so much of the aid. I loathe the people blocking aid trucks, but I understand how they feel--that the aid is helping the terrorists more than the ordinary Gazans. Here's one Palestinian who witnessed Hamas shooting at people trying to get aid: https://www.memri.org/tv/displaced-gaza-man-protests-hamas-shooting-hungry-people-looking-for-food-sinwar-killing-us

For folks who don't know, MEMRI is propaganda and founded by an Israeli ex-intelligence officer.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/may/15/arabicunderfire

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has lost its way. Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now. Israel needs to get rid of Bibi immediately.

'Most reasonable ' - If they disagree with you they are unreasonable?

DP I think most reasonable people, regardless of whether they are Jewish, don't support starvation. I also think a person is unreasonable if they support starvation.

Do you disagree with that?

“Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now.”

Not exactly. The Jewish people I know in the US are aghast at the situation, but place the blame squarely on Hamas for attacking Israel in October 7.

I am as moderate and normie as they come - I primarily blame Hamas. I don't think Israel is faultless. I think it would have been smarter and more humane to do more to protect civilians, and to get food and medicine to Palestinians. Not that the world still wouldn't have come out against Israel - I think a lot of pent up hostility and anti-semitism found its opportunity here. But it would have been better. I don't know how you would have done that, but there must have been a way.

I mostly align with this philosophy as well. The dead giveaway was the world blaming Israel on 10/7, weeks before they even launched a counteroffensive. The other dead giveaway is the one or two rabid posters here who keep denying what happened on 10/7.

Yes. You are totally fine with starving a mostly civilian pooulation to death.

Got it

I am the PPP - and that's not at all what either of us said. But to the extent that this whole episode feels like screaming at a wall, here it is again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has lost its way. Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now. Israel needs to get rid of Bibi immediately.

'Most reasonable ' - If they disagree with you they are unreasonable?

DP I think most reasonable people, regardless of whether they are Jewish, don't support starvation. I also think a person is unreasonable if they support starvation.

Do you disagree with that?

“Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now.”

Not exactly. The Jewish people I know in the US are aghast at the situation, but place the blame squarely on Hamas for attacking Israel in October 7.

I am as moderate and normie as they come - I primarily blame Hamas. I don't think Israel is faultless. I think it would have been smarter and more humane to do more to protect civilians, and to get food and medicine to Palestinians. Not that the world still wouldn't have come out against Israel - I think a lot of pent up hostility and anti-semitism found its opportunity here. But it would have been better. I don't know how you would have done that, but there must have been a way.

I mostly align with this philosophy as well. The dead giveaway was the world blaming Israel on 10/7, weeks before they even launched a counteroffensive. The other dead giveaway is the one or two rabid posters here who keep denying what happened on 10/7.

Yes. You are totally fine with starving a mostly civilian pooulation to death.

Got it

I am the PPP - and that's not at all what either of us said. But to the extent that this whole episode feels like screaming at a wall, here it is again.

DP

+1

The pro Palestine posters and protesters are not interested in dialogue.

They (sadly) epitomize extremism. The far-left equivalent of MAGA.

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Anonymous wrote:There are new reports of another massacre with dozens killed at a humanitarian delivery in Gaza City today.

How predictable . How many tunnels have the IDF destroyed in five months? Their bombs don’t even penetrate the tunnels so really they’ve done nothing to hurt Hamas infrastructure .

They should pick on someone their own size. They are hurting vulnerable civilians instead of the actual enemy they claim to be after

Pick on someone their own size, ok. Israel is the size of New Jersey, a land mass which is .1% of the Middle East, surrounded by 20+ Muslim countries and 50+ Muslim-majority countries. Jews have .2% of the world population, 15m people. There are 1.8 billion Muslims. But sure, keep playing the Muslim underdog card.

Israel is a freaking nuclear power. The number of Muslims in the world is immaterial. This isn't about Muslims vs. Jews. It's about Palestinians vs. Zionists. Some of the Palestinians are Christian. Bringing in Islam is a red herring.

Not at all. And how many suicide bombers have been Christian? Ummm none. Maybe.. 1. So yeah, it’s about Islam.

Umm. You do remember the Irish Republican Army, yes? Proxy bombs (“recruiting” people by blackmailing them with their family’s well being) rather than suicide bombs but it’s really not just a Muslim thing.

Same with the Colombian guerrilla fighters and the Sri Lankan Sandinistas. Trying to blame one particular religion is useless and counterproductive

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has lost its way. Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now. Israel needs to get rid of Bibi immediately.

'Most reasonable ' - If they disagree with you they are unreasonable?

DP I think most reasonable people, regardless of whether they are Jewish, don't support starvation. I also think a person is unreasonable if they support starvation.

Do you disagree with that?

“Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now.”

Not exactly. The Jewish people I know in the US are aghast at the situation, but place the blame squarely on Hamas for attacking Israel in October 7.

Even when they see the Israeli govt blockading food trucks with children starving just feet away? For real? They blame that on Hamas? If this is true, the Jewish people in the US have lost the script somewhere.

Yep. The wool has been removed from our eyes. Jews = Israel over EVERYTHING else.

It’s really scary how our entire government has been bought by Israel. But this is the side effect of a culture based on post holocaust victimization plus supposed “chosen people” sociopathy. They are the oppessors and the victims simultaneously. Every man woman and infant is HAMAS. It’s the boogie man catch all that has rendered any moral compass defunct.

The hypocrisy would be dissertation worthy if it weren’t so absurd (and vile).
95% of American Jews are plenty fine with babies starving to death.

Bolded is clearly anti-semitic.

Unless we're ok with "Muslims = support terrorism".

Personally, I find both despicable.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has lost its way. Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now. Israel needs to get rid of Bibi immediately.

'Most reasonable ' - If they disagree with you they are unreasonable?

DP I think most reasonable people, regardless of whether they are Jewish, don't support starvation. I also think a person is unreasonable if they support starvation.

Do you disagree with that?

“Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now.”

Not exactly. The Jewish people I know in the US are aghast at the situation, but place the blame squarely on Hamas for attacking Israel in October 7.

Even when they see the Israeli govt blockading food trucks with children starving just feet away? For real? They blame that on Hamas? If this is true, the Jewish people in the US have lost the script somewhere.

Yep. The wool has been removed from our eyes. Jews = Israel over EVERYTHING else.

It’s really scary how our entire government has been bought by Israel. But this is the side effect of a culture based on post holocaust victimization plus supposed “chosen people” sociopathy. They are the oppessors and the victims simultaneously. Every man woman and infant is HAMAS. It’s the boogie man catch all that has rendered any moral compass defunct.

The hypocrisy would be dissertation worthy if it weren’t so absurd (and vile).
95% of American Jews are plenty fine with babies starving to death.

Bolded is clearly anti-semitic.

Unless we're ok with "Muslims = support terrorism".

Personally, I find both despicable.

I agree with you. Which is why I am so shocked at the silence regarding Israel's deliberate strategy of starvation. It seems like a clear cut unequivocal line.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has lost its way. Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now. Israel needs to get rid of Bibi immediately.

'Most reasonable ' - If they disagree with you they are unreasonable?

DP I think most reasonable people, regardless of whether they are Jewish, don't support starvation. I also think a person is unreasonable if they support starvation.

Do you disagree with that?

“Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now.”

Not exactly. The Jewish people I know in the US are aghast at the situation, but place the blame squarely on Hamas for attacking Israel in October 7.

I am as moderate and normie as they come - I primarily blame Hamas. I don't think Israel is faultless. I think it would have been smarter and more humane to do more to protect civilians, and to get food and medicine to Palestinians. Not that the world still wouldn't have come out against Israel - I think a lot of pent up hostility and anti-semitism found its opportunity here. But it would have been better. I don't know how you would have done that, but there must have been a way.

I mostly align with this philosophy as well. The dead giveaway was the world blaming Israel on 10/7, weeks before they even launched a counteroffensive. The other dead giveaway is the one or two rabid posters here who keep denying what happened on 10/7.

Yes. You are totally fine with starving a mostly civilian pooulation to death.

Got it

I am the PPP - and that's not at all what either of us said. But to the extent that this whole episode feels like screaming at a wall, here it is again.

Yes it is. Read those mealy mouthed words again and remember that the subject is deliberate starvation.

[Anonymous]

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Oh my god! You Israeli terrorists killing over 32,000 people and the world is to stop to free your hostages? The same hostages the Israeli people kissed off because as they leveled Gaza? The IDF has killed all the hostages as a matter of policy.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think Hamas knows where the hostages are. It’s rumored some ran away while their captor were sleeping.

I feel especially sorry for the ones who ran up to the IDF shirtless with white flags. They died despite doing the right thing

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Hamas has refused a ceasefire. They have also failed to provide information about the numbers and conditions of the remaining hostages. Sinwar has vowed to ramp up the violence over Ramadan. Today they killed a driver of an aid truck and severely injured several other Egyptian drivers.

Meanwhile, the US, Jordan, France, Egypt, and the UAE are providing air drops of ready-to-eat meals for people in Gaza.

Hamas believes that the more Palestinians that die, the better. They steal the food. They don't wear uniforms - which is perfidy, a war crime - and enmesh themselves among civilians. Their purpose is to cause as many Palestinian deaths as possible in order to turn the world against Israel. Judging by all the pro-Hamas posters here, it seems to be working among the low IQ, brain-addled, Tik-Tok addicts that are so easily manipulated by propaganda.

All Hamas needs to do is release the remaining hostages and this war stops today. But they will never do that. They want the bloodshed. They want Palestinians to suffer and die. They are fanatics. And like ISIS and their caliphate of horrors, they must be destroyed, preferably by the Palestinians themselves.

The war doesn’t stop when hostages are released. Israel has said they want to topple the Hamas government completely and honestly I don’t think Gazans would even be opposed to that. They could’ve even helped Israel do it if Israel offered safety and escape from Gaza earlier on in the war in exchange for information or cooperation and full anonymity.

Many of the hostages were in buildings or houses which means eyewitnesses would have seen them and could’ve reported it if Israel offered an incentive. Israel doesn’t really incentivize Palestinians to help them though . Israel sat on its hands for years thinking Hamas tunnels were as primitive or amateur as their rockets, but billions of dollars and ammo and 2,000 pound bombs later, they haven’t make a dent in the tunnels. Israel may need Palestinian collaboration to finally end Hamas .

Palestinians in Gaza should have risen up against Hamas a long time ago. They've always known that Hamas has stolen billions in aid that was meant for infrastructure, water, electricity, and agriculture. Instead, Gaza now has a few hundred miles of tunnels, tens of thousands of primitive rockets, and an elite that spends millions on spa treatments and fine dining in Qatar.

Meanwhile, most Gazans have spent the past twenty years since Israel left living in poverty and utterly dependent on a Hamas patronage system. The UN and aid groups should have pulled out of Gaza a long time go. All they've done is fund a corrupt, genocidal terror regime.

But practically speaking that hasn't been possible, then or now. Hamas does enjoy broad popular support among Palestinians in Gaza. And since October 7th, Hamas has made it clear that will murder any Palestinian for any reason, from civilians wanting food to resisting being used as human shields. Any hint of collaboration with Israel is certain death. And it's not like they can get on the phone and simply call the IDF and offer info on Hamas firing positions or ammo depots and simply walk to the border and be offered refuge in Israel.

I don't see a good end to this. Hamas must be destroyed. And it will be. But Hamas will take as many innocent civilians down with them as they can. Hamas has a martyr complex. They revel in death.

It's problem.

It was probably a poor idea electing Hamas into power in 2005. Guessing Palestinians in Gaza are having some second thoughts about that now.

I get it but how could Palestinians rise up really? They aren’t armed. Hamas is.

It would be as deadly as this war is and ultimately nobody wants to die.

My understanding is that Hamas and the Palestinian Authority were losing popularity in recent years and that may have been why they did 10/7 as well: to divert anger to Israel

It’s like blaming all of America for MAGA or electing Trump even though only half the country or less voted him in .