Gaza War, Part 3

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Shocking to see where the aid meant for Palestinians ends up. $1.5M was found in Gaza's tunnels and over $1M was found to have been spent by Hamas leaders on a luxury stay in Doha, including $315.5K on dining and $26.5K on SPA treatments during hostage talks.

Aid money isn't lost, it's funding opulent lifestyles for Hamas elites. Is this the destination we intended for “humanitarian support”?

How does this justify blocking aid trucks and letting kids die of hunger?

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Anonymous wrote:There are new reports of another massacre with dozens killed at a humanitarian delivery in Gaza City today.

How predictable . How many tunnels have the IDF destroyed in five months? Their bombs don’t even penetrate the tunnels so really they’ve done nothing to hurt Hamas infrastructure .

They should pick on someone their own size. They are hurting vulnerable civilians instead of the actual enemy they claim to be after

Pick on someone their own size, ok. Israel is the size of New Jersey, a land mass which is .1% of the Middle East, surrounded by 20+ Muslim countries and 50+ Muslim-majority countries. Jews have .2% of the world population, 15m people. There are 1.8 billion Muslims. But sure, keep playing the Muslim underdog card.

Israel is a freaking nuclear power. The number of Muslims in the world is immaterial. This isn't about Muslims vs. Jews. It's about Palestinians vs. Zionists. Some of the Palestinians are Christian. Bringing in Islam is a red herring.

Not at all. And how many suicide bombers have been Christian? Ummm none. Maybe.. 1. So yeah, it’s about Islam.

[Anonymous]

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Shocking to see where the aid meant for Palestinians ends up. $1.5M was found in Gaza's tunnels and over $1M was found to have been spent by Hamas leaders on a luxury stay in Doha, including $315.5K on dining and $26.5K on SPA treatments during hostage talks.

Aid money isn't lost, it's funding opulent lifestyles for Hamas elites. Is this the destination we intended for “humanitarian support”?

They blow millions on luxury while the Palestinian children in their care go hungry.

Yep. But, the Jews are the bad guys........

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Anonymous wrote:There are new reports of another massacre with dozens killed at a humanitarian delivery in Gaza City today.

How predictable . How many tunnels have the IDF destroyed in five months? Their bombs don’t even penetrate the tunnels so really they’ve done nothing to hurt Hamas infrastructure .

They should pick on someone their own size. They are hurting vulnerable civilians instead of the actual enemy they claim to be after

Pick on someone their own size, ok. Israel is the size of New Jersey, a land mass which is .1% of the Middle East, surrounded by 20+ Muslim countries and 50+ Muslim-majority countries. Jews have .2% of the world population, 15m people. There are 1.8 billion Muslims. But sure, keep playing the Muslim underdog card.

Israel is a freaking nuclear power. The number of Muslims in the world is immaterial. This isn't about Muslims vs. Jews. It's about Palestinians vs. Zionists. Some of the Palestinians are Christian. Bringing in Islam is a red herring.

Not at all. And how many suicide bombers have been Christian? Ummm none. Maybe.. 1. So yeah, it’s about Islam.

There were Christian Palestinian suicide bombers including females

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Top Trump advisor Amb. David Friedman suggests a ‘one-state solution’ to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict…

…Friedman is convinced that Israel must have sovereignty over its God-given land and he is advocating for a one-state solution: The State of Israel.

The reason, he explained, is because “Israel is the only country that can provide for security and prosperity of all those who inhabit it.”

Notwithstanding, Friedman's peace plan does not include the idea of Israel granting citizenship to 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and another 2 million in Gaza. He stressed that such a step would existentially give Palestinians the opportunity to do demographically what they couldn't do militarily against Israel, i.e. to finish off the Jewish state.

He suggests that Palestinians living in the area would retain a permanent residency. This status will give them self-governance on civil matters, but not voting rights in national elections, only local ones.

“What does that mean? It means they can't be kicked out of their homes because they have the right to live there, which means they can get travel documents that enable them to leave the country… and a large infusion of capital, you know, from our new friends in the region to help make this area an area that's worth living in for Jews and Arabs,” the former ambassador explained.

https://allisrael.com/top-trump-advisor-amb-david-friedman-suggests-a-one-state-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

Trump will impose a one state solution.

And what is wrong with that? What Friedman is saying sounds like the best possible outcome for Palestinians in the near future. I mean, it is clear that a two state solutions is completely off the table at this point - 10/7 showed that Palestinians have zero interest in cooperation with their neighbors and pose a national security threat to any Jewish state - and removal of Palestinians does not appear to be feasible at this time.

Friedman’s plan appears to allow some limited self governance while allowing Israel to provide strong security and intelligence measures over the long term, and treat the Palestinian people well. If Biden cared about this conflict, this would be what he would be suggesting, not trying to push some dead on arrival two-state solution neither side wants.

I want Palestine back.

What Palestine do you want back? Palestine was a name given to the area by the colonizing British. There has never been a Country called Palestine, so wanting Palestine “back” is absurd.

We all know what Palestine is and who lived there until 1948.

There never was a country of Palestine prior to 1948. And for almost three decades prior to 1948 it was a protectorate administered by the UK. And before that it was run by Ottoman Turks for 400 years. So even then it wasn't "their land" to be "stolen." The "locals" of Palestine have not had any dictates or real ownership over that land for centuries.

Governments may change, but inhabitants of the land still own their property. Under international law, they can't simply be evicted. Greenland is technically part of Denmark, but say for example Denmark transferred control to Iceland. That certainly wouldn't give Iceland the right to drive out hundreds of thousands of indigenous people. It would simply mean the administration would change. The rights of the locals have to be protected, and that includes property ownsership.

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Anonymous wrote:There are new reports of another massacre with dozens killed at a humanitarian delivery in Gaza City today.

How predictable . How many tunnels have the IDF destroyed in five months? Their bombs don’t even penetrate the tunnels so really they’ve done nothing to hurt Hamas infrastructure .

They should pick on someone their own size. They are hurting vulnerable civilians instead of the actual enemy they claim to be after

Pick on someone their own size, ok. Israel is the size of New Jersey, a land mass which is .1% of the Middle East, surrounded by 20+ Muslim countries and 50+ Muslim-majority countries. Jews have .2% of the world population, 15m people. There are 1.8 billion Muslims. But sure, keep playing the Muslim underdog card.

Israel is a freaking nuclear power. The number of Muslims in the world is immaterial. This isn't about Muslims vs. Jews. It's about Palestinians vs. Zionists. Some of the Palestinians are Christian. Bringing in Islam is a red herring.

Not at all. And how many suicide bombers have been Christian? Ummm none. Maybe.. 1. So yeah, it’s about Islam.

If they had all been Christian, Buddhist, or Hindu, there would have been vigorous pushback against Israel. You can't perpetrate the atrocities of the Nakba, evict hundreds of thousands of people from their homes, rape them, massacre them, steal their possessions, and expect them to feel hunky-dory about the whole thing.

[Anonymous]

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I want Palestine back.

What Palestine do you want back? Palestine was a name given to the area by the colonizing British. There has never been a Country called Palestine, so wanting Palestine “back” is absurd.

Palestine existed as a term for thousands of years before that. However, it meant Israel.

It's been known as Judea, or land of the Jews for much longer than it has been known as Palestine.

The term Palestine was used to describe the region centuries before Judaism was invented. However, the name is less important than the history. Jews and Palestinians are primarily descended from the same ethnic stock of ancient Canaanites. Many Jews left the region in 70 AD when the Romans kicked them out, but some stayed on. Some of the descendants of those people remained Jewish, and some converted to Christianity, Islam, or Druze, and no doubt to other faiths. The people who remained had every right to be there. The Zionists had no right to evict them.

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Thats not the Muslims fault. They didn’t ask Jews to come there. They just did because they didn’t feel safe around the Christians. Palestinians are not to blame for the Holocaust so why should they pay the price for the Jewish nationalist aspirations ?

They only dominated the Jews for a millennium after the Romans. Put up a mosque on the Temple Mount, claiming it is the third holiest site in Islam,

Didnt Saladin protect the Jews? Jews were brought back to Jerusalem under Muslim rulers.

That’s not Muslims fault that Jews are matrilineal and don’t allow converts or paternal ancestry. Christians also dominated Jews

The early Muslims used to pray toward Jerusalem and three times daily like Jews but I guess to distinguish from Jews they changed to Mecca and five times a day. The faiths are very similar anyhow and hence there wasn’t a big deal with Muslims about living among Jews like there was in Europe.

The rabbis spoke more fondly of Muslims than Christians given that it was easier to be a Jewish minority among Muslims than Christians

[Anonymous]

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Shocking to see where the aid meant for Palestinians ends up. $1.5M was found in Gaza's tunnels and over $1M was found to have been spent by Hamas leaders on a luxury stay in Doha, including $315.5K on dining and $26.5K on SPA treatments during hostage talks.

Aid money isn't lost, it's funding opulent lifestyles for Hamas elites. Is this the destination we intended for “humanitarian support”?

They blow millions on luxury while the Palestinian children in their care go hungry.

They should write this in Arabic and airdrop this in Gaza instead of bombs .

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At any point, Hamas could have ended this burgeoning tragedy to surrender and release every hostage.

Now, they're unwilling to provide a list of any surviving hostages.

Hamas is anathema to peace for Gaza.

Hamas instigated and owns this humanitarian catastrophe.

Hamas isn’t stupid. They know Israel won’t stop bombing once the hostages are released. If any bring; the bombing will get worse because their own hostages aren’t in the way.

Hostages that remain are the only piece of leverage they have over Israel as they don’t have the military technological advantage .

Hamas stonewalling and playing hardball with Israel is what they deserve as they created the monster . Hamas ,after all, was aided and abetted in its infancy stages in the 80s till 2020 by Israel and Israel knew Hamas was planning a 10/7 a year before the attacks but ignored it

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.

Hamas are terrorists.
We haven't forgotten their actions on Oct. 7 that precipitated all this.
And, Israel does NOT deserve what Hamas has done. Disgusting that you say that.

Sadly, there are some major (foreign?) trolls pushing denial of the October 7th massacres, rapes, and abductions.

This attitude really is disgusting. But these trolls are determined to control the narrative. They are well coordinated and they drown us out, and their messaging appeals to the stories young people and progressives like to tell themselves and harnesses all the tropes of the progressive worldview to advance the ancient narrative that the Jews must be guilty.

There were certainly massacres and abductions on 10/7, and we all condemn those. We don't know whether there were rapes. It is possible but not confirmed. Israel has objectively lied so blatantly and frequently that many of us remain cautious.

Yes there is no proof of rapes by Hamas only rapes by the Israelis as part of their oppression and terrorism campaign. Let’s face it what the Israelis have done is much much worst vs one day on Oct 7.

That’s what Hamas banked on. The world forgetting 10/7 due to Israel’s overreaction and atrocities and unfortunately it is working.

Apparently , Gazans are furious at the news Sinwar took his kids out of harms way while the rest of Gazans have to pay for his plans. This is the time for Israel to make history with the Palestinian Authority , create real statehood, remove the Israeli settlements, and relocate Gazans there .

Hamas should not enjoy the privilege of being the dominant Palestinian voice for liberation. Israel and all the partners in this process must legitimize the weakened Palestinian Authrotiy and actually allow them to be an authority . They actually recognize Israel’s right to exist, the two state solution, and work with Israel against terror , so it’s crazy Israel and the world acts like they don’t exist. It’s true that nice guys do finish last. Hamas has sucked up all the air in regards to Palestinian politics . People forget they’re just one party. It’s like someone just talking to Republicans only and completely ignoring the Democrats.

Right now, West Bank supports Hamas more than Gazans so probably because they can’t stand the settlers and because they aren’t suffering from a war. That is quite dangerous for Israel and for those settlers if Hamas rises from the ashes in The West Bank which is far more closer to Israel and the bulk of Israelis than the rural kibbutz by Gaza.

[Anonymous]

The problem is Netanyahu has sold his soil to the extremist elements of Israel like the settlers so essentially there’s no way a two state solution with WB as Palestine can ever really exist . All of the settlements strategically cross Palestinian villages and towns so they don’t even have continuous land . They would have to cross into Israeli settlement after settlement to go to another WB town or neighborhood . Obama , Hillary, Kerry, Biden and Trump have all told Bibi that no real two state solution can work with these settlements but that was his goal. Netanyahu really is a piece of work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Top Trump advisor Amb. David Friedman suggests a ‘one-state solution’ to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict…

…Friedman is convinced that Israel must have sovereignty over its God-given land and he is advocating for a one-state solution: The State of Israel.

The reason, he explained, is because “Israel is the only country that can provide for security and prosperity of all those who inhabit it.”

Notwithstanding, Friedman's peace plan does not include the idea of Israel granting citizenship to 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and another 2 million in Gaza. He stressed that such a step would existentially give Palestinians the opportunity to do demographically what they couldn't do militarily against Israel, i.e. to finish off the Jewish state.

He suggests that Palestinians living in the area would retain a permanent residency. This status will give them self-governance on civil matters, but not voting rights in national elections, only local ones.

“What does that mean? It means they can't be kicked out of their homes because they have the right to live there, which means they can get travel documents that enable them to leave the country… and a large infusion of capital, you know, from our new friends in the region to help make this area an area that's worth living in for Jews and Arabs,” the former ambassador explained.

https://allisrael.com/top-trump-advisor-amb-david-friedman-suggests-a-one-state-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

Trump will impose a one state solution.

And what is wrong with that? What Friedman is saying sounds like the best possible outcome for Palestinians in the near future. I mean, it is clear that a two state solutions is completely off the table at this point - 10/7 showed that Palestinians have zero interest in cooperation with their neighbors and pose a national security threat to any Jewish state - and removal of Palestinians does not appear to be feasible at this time.

Friedman’s plan appears to allow some limited self governance while allowing Israel to provide strong security and intelligence measures over the long term, and treat the Palestinian people well. If Biden cared about this conflict, this would be what he would be suggesting, not trying to push some dead on arrival two-state solution neither side wants.

I want Palestine back.

What Palestine do you want back? Palestine was a name given to the area by the colonizing British. There has never been a Country called Palestine, so wanting Palestine “back” is absurd.

We all know what Palestine is and who lived there until 1948.

There never was a country of Palestine prior to 1948. And for almost three decades prior to 1948 it was a protectorate administered by the UK. And before that it was run by Ottoman Turks for 400 years. So even then it wasn't "their land" to be "stolen." The "locals" of Palestine have not had any dictates or real ownership over that land for centuries.

The Jews have not been in control for thousands of years yet they some how they have a claim? Anyone want to talk about the Iron Age Israelite kingdoms, Israel and Judah? What maybe 120-150 years as an independent state(s). Sorry that is just not enough to make a claim on the land.

The League of Nations, followed by the UN, says they have a claim to a chunk of that land. And the UK government that controlled the land and won it from the Ottomans GAVE them a chunk of the land. Problem is that the neighboring Arabs haven't been good about acknowledging it. And when the Arabs attacked, they lost even more land.

Neighboring? What about the people who lived on the actual land? That is where this whole s***show started. It isn’t that you moved into a house and your neighbors didn’t like you. It is that the people who lived in the house before you changed the locks never acknowledged that you now own the house. And why should they?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has lost its way. Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now. Israel needs to get rid of Bibi immediately.

'Most reasonable ' - If they disagree with you they are unreasonable?

Yup, reasonable people agree on this.
You are on the other side and if you are unmoved by all the suffering, then you are clearly in the minority and on the wrong side.

[Anonymous]

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Shocking to see where the aid meant for Palestinians ends up. $1.5M was found in Gaza's tunnels and over $1M was found to have been spent by Hamas leaders on a luxury stay in Doha, including $315.5K on dining and $26.5K on SPA treatments during hostage talks.

Aid money isn't lost, it's funding opulent lifestyles for Hamas elites. Is this the destination we intended for “humanitarian support”?

They blow millions on luxury while the Palestinian children in their care go hungry.

Yep. But, the Jews are the bad guys........

For the millionth time. First, Hamas are not the good guys. They are terrorists and their leaders are opportunists. Second, “the Jews” are not anything. Third, “the Israeli” govt is made up of monsters who do not seem to give a s*** about anyone - Palestinian or Israeli hostage. Fourth, the Israeli people need to deal with their govt if they don’t want to be known as the country that starves children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are new reports of another massacre with dozens killed at a humanitarian delivery in Gaza City today.

How predictable . How many tunnels have the IDF destroyed in five months? Their bombs don’t even penetrate the tunnels so really they’ve done nothing to hurt Hamas infrastructure .

They should pick on someone their own size. They are hurting vulnerable civilians instead of the actual enemy they claim to be after

Pick on someone their own size, ok. Israel is the size of New Jersey, a land mass which is .1% of the Middle East, surrounded by 20+ Muslim countries and 50+ Muslim-majority countries. Jews have .2% of the world population, 15m people. There are 1.8 billion Muslims. But sure, keep playing the Muslim underdog card.

Israel is a freaking nuclear power. The number of Muslims in the world is immaterial. This isn't about Muslims vs. Jews. It's about Palestinians vs. Zionists. Some of the Palestinians are Christian. Bringing in Islam is a red herring.

Not at all. And how many suicide bombers have been Christian? Ummm none. Maybe.. 1. So yeah, it’s about Islam.

There were Christian Palestinian suicide bombers including females

How many? Cite?