Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone notice how the US dropped the Palestinian state issue after Netanyahu told Biden it was not happening?
I guess Biden can put all his efforts in to getting the Saudis to normalize relations with Israel. Bet that will cost a lot. No worrying Uncle Sucker will pick that bill up!

The easiest way to get rid of Hamas from within and delegitimize them without sacrificing Israeli troops wouldve been for Israel, US, and Arab partners to work with the weakened Palestinian Authority and give them official Palestinian statehood, remove all the settlements in the WB, remove the blockade on Gaza, remove all the thousands of Palestinian prisoners without charge back, then the PA can take over WB and Gaza .

This would destroy Hamas’ by default because it strengthens the Palestinian Authority if they achieve statehood and end the occupation and blockade

That doesn't work because it leaves Israel standing. Hamas would defeat Palestinian Authority accusing them of being too passive with regards to Israel.
Even before that, you would have the issue of 1967 borders, which I'm sure you would concede as the way to get peace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel has lost its way. Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now. Israel needs to get rid of Bibi immediately.

'Most reasonable ' - If they disagree with you they are unreasonable?

[Anonymous]

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I want Palestine back.

What Palestine do you want back? Palestine was a name given to the area by the colonizing British. There has never been a Country called Palestine, so wanting Palestine “back” is absurd.

Palestine existed as a term for thousands of years before that. However, it meant Israel.

[Anonymous]

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Thats not the Muslims fault. They didn’t ask Jews to come there. They just did because they didn’t feel safe around the Christians. Palestinians are not to blame for the Holocaust so why should they pay the price for the Jewish nationalist aspirations ?

They only dominated the Jews for a millennium after the Romans. Put up a mosque on the Temple Mount, claiming it is the third holiest site in Islam,

[Anonymous]

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Top Trump advisor Amb. David Friedman suggests a ‘one-state solution’ to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict…

…Friedman is convinced that Israel must have sovereignty over its God-given land and he is advocating for a one-state solution: The State of Israel.

The reason, he explained, is because “Israel is the only country that can provide for security and prosperity of all those who inhabit it.”

Notwithstanding, Friedman's peace plan does not include the idea of Israel granting citizenship to 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and another 2 million in Gaza. He stressed that such a step would existentially give Palestinians the opportunity to do demographically what they couldn't do militarily against Israel, i.e. to finish off the Jewish state.

He suggests that Palestinians living in the area would retain a permanent residency. This status will give them self-governance on civil matters, but not voting rights in national elections, only local ones.

“What does that mean? It means they can't be kicked out of their homes because they have the right to live there, which means they can get travel documents that enable them to leave the country… and a large infusion of capital, you know, from our new friends in the region to help make this area an area that's worth living in for Jews and Arabs,” the former ambassador explained.

https://allisrael.com/top-trump-advisor-amb-david-friedman-suggests-a-one-state-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

Trump will impose a one state solution.

And what is wrong with that? What Friedman is saying sounds like the best possible outcome for Palestinians in the near future. I mean, it is clear that a two state solutions is completely off the table at this point - 10/7 showed that Palestinians have zero interest in cooperation with their neighbors and pose a national security threat to any Jewish state - and removal of Palestinians does not appear to be feasible at this time.

Friedman’s plan appears to allow some limited self governance while allowing Israel to provide strong security and intelligence measures over the long term, and treat the Palestinian people well. If Biden cared about this conflict, this would be what he would be suggesting, not trying to push some dead on arrival two-state solution neither side wants.

I want Palestine back.

What Palestine do you want back? Palestine was a name given to the area by the colonizing British. There has never been a Country called Palestine, so wanting Palestine “back” is absurd.

We all know what Palestine is and who lived there until 1948.

There never was a country of Palestine prior to 1948. And for almost three decades prior to 1948 it was a protectorate administered by the UK. And before that it was run by Ottoman Turks for 400 years. So even then it wasn't "their land" to be "stolen." The "locals" of Palestine have not had any dictates or real ownership over that land for centuries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I want Palestine back.

What Palestine do you want back? Palestine was a name given to the area by the colonizing British. There has never been a Country called Palestine, so wanting Palestine “back” is absurd.

Palestine existed as a term for thousands of years before that. However, it meant Israel.

It's been known as Judea, or land of the Jews for much longer than it has been known as Palestine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Thats not the Muslims fault. They didn’t ask Jews to come there. They just did because they didn’t feel safe around the Christians. Palestinians are not to blame for the Holocaust so why should they pay the price for the Jewish nationalist aspirations ?

They only dominated the Jews for a millennium after the Romans. Put up a mosque on the Temple Mount, claiming it is the third holiest site in Islam,

The story of Rachel's Tomb and Bethlehem seems relevant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Top Trump advisor Amb. David Friedman suggests a ‘one-state solution’ to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict…

…Friedman is convinced that Israel must have sovereignty over its God-given land and he is advocating for a one-state solution: The State of Israel.

The reason, he explained, is because “Israel is the only country that can provide for security and prosperity of all those who inhabit it.”

Notwithstanding, Friedman's peace plan does not include the idea of Israel granting citizenship to 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and another 2 million in Gaza. He stressed that such a step would existentially give Palestinians the opportunity to do demographically what they couldn't do militarily against Israel, i.e. to finish off the Jewish state.

He suggests that Palestinians living in the area would retain a permanent residency. This status will give them self-governance on civil matters, but not voting rights in national elections, only local ones.

“What does that mean? It means they can't be kicked out of their homes because they have the right to live there, which means they can get travel documents that enable them to leave the country… and a large infusion of capital, you know, from our new friends in the region to help make this area an area that's worth living in for Jews and Arabs,” the former ambassador explained.

https://allisrael.com/top-trump-advisor-amb-david-friedman-suggests-a-one-state-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

Trump will impose a one state solution.

And what is wrong with that? What Friedman is saying sounds like the best possible outcome for Palestinians in the near future. I mean, it is clear that a two state solutions is completely off the table at this point - 10/7 showed that Palestinians have zero interest in cooperation with their neighbors and pose a national security threat to any Jewish state - and removal of Palestinians does not appear to be feasible at this time.

Friedman’s plan appears to allow some limited self governance while allowing Israel to provide strong security and intelligence measures over the long term, and treat the Palestinian people well. If Biden cared about this conflict, this would be what he would be suggesting, not trying to push some dead on arrival two-state solution neither side wants.

I want Palestine back.

What Palestine do you want back? Palestine was a name given to the area by the colonizing British. There has never been a Country called Palestine, so wanting Palestine “back” is absurd.

We all know what Palestine is and who lived there until 1948.

There never was a country of Palestine prior to 1948. And for almost three decades prior to 1948 it was a protectorate administered by the UK. And before that it was run by Ottoman Turks for 400 years. So even then it wasn't "their land" to be "stolen." The "locals" of Palestine have not had any dictates or real ownership over that land for centuries.

The Jews have not been in control for thousands of years yet they some how they have a claim? Anyone want to talk about the Iron Age Israelite kingdoms, Israel and Judah? What maybe 120-150 years as an independent state(s). Sorry that is just not enough to make a claim on the land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I want Palestine back.

What Palestine do you want back? Palestine was a name given to the area by the colonizing British. There has never been a Country called Palestine, so wanting Palestine “back” is absurd.

Palestine existed as a term for thousands of years before that. However, it meant Israel.

It's been known as Judea, or land of the Jews for much longer than it has been known as Palestine.

So, this is why they are killing all the Palestinians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone notice how the US dropped the Palestinian state issue after Netanyahu told Biden it was not happening?
I guess Biden can put all his efforts in to getting the Saudis to normalize relations with Israel. Bet that will cost a lot. No worrying Uncle Sucker will pick that bill up!

The easiest way to get rid of Hamas from within and delegitimize them without sacrificing Israeli troops wouldve been for Israel, US, and Arab partners to work with the weakened Palestinian Authority and give them official Palestinian statehood, remove all the settlements in the WB, remove the blockade on Gaza, remove all the thousands of Palestinian prisoners without charge back, then the PA can take over WB and Gaza .

This would destroy Hamas’ by default because it strengthens the Palestinian Authority if they achieve statehood and end the occupation and blockade

That doesn't work because it leaves Israel standing. Hamas would defeat Palestinian Authority accusing them of being too passive with regards to Israel.
Even before that, you would have the issue of 1967 borders, which I'm sure you would concede as the way to get peace.

I would only support something like this if they adopt a robust constitution and have elections. Abbas may be old and toothless in running the PA but he is still corrupt AF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I want Palestine back.

What Palestine do you want back? Palestine was a name given to the area by the colonizing British. There has never been a Country called Palestine, so wanting Palestine “back” is absurd.

Palestine existed as a term for thousands of years before that. However, it meant Israel.

It's been known as Judea, or land of the Jews for much longer than it has been known as Palestine.

So, this is why they are killing all the Palestinians?

Uhh you're several million short on "killing all the Palestinians."

How about you drop the over-the-top hyperbole?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Top Trump advisor Amb. David Friedman suggests a ‘one-state solution’ to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict…

…Friedman is convinced that Israel must have sovereignty over its God-given land and he is advocating for a one-state solution: The State of Israel.

The reason, he explained, is because “Israel is the only country that can provide for security and prosperity of all those who inhabit it.”

Notwithstanding, Friedman's peace plan does not include the idea of Israel granting citizenship to 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and another 2 million in Gaza. He stressed that such a step would existentially give Palestinians the opportunity to do demographically what they couldn't do militarily against Israel, i.e. to finish off the Jewish state.

He suggests that Palestinians living in the area would retain a permanent residency. This status will give them self-governance on civil matters, but not voting rights in national elections, only local ones.

“What does that mean? It means they can't be kicked out of their homes because they have the right to live there, which means they can get travel documents that enable them to leave the country… and a large infusion of capital, you know, from our new friends in the region to help make this area an area that's worth living in for Jews and Arabs,” the former ambassador explained.

https://allisrael.com/top-trump-advisor-amb-david-friedman-suggests-a-one-state-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

Trump will impose a one state solution.

And what is wrong with that? What Friedman is saying sounds like the best possible outcome for Palestinians in the near future. I mean, it is clear that a two state solutions is completely off the table at this point - 10/7 showed that Palestinians have zero interest in cooperation with their neighbors and pose a national security threat to any Jewish state - and removal of Palestinians does not appear to be feasible at this time.

Friedman’s plan appears to allow some limited self governance while allowing Israel to provide strong security and intelligence measures over the long term, and treat the Palestinian people well. If Biden cared about this conflict, this would be what he would be suggesting, not trying to push some dead on arrival two-state solution neither side wants.

I want Palestine back.

What Palestine do you want back? Palestine was a name given to the area by the colonizing British. There has never been a Country called Palestine, so wanting Palestine “back” is absurd.

We all know what Palestine is and who lived there until 1948.

There never was a country of Palestine prior to 1948. And for almost three decades prior to 1948 it was a protectorate administered by the UK. And before that it was run by Ottoman Turks for 400 years. So even then it wasn't "their land" to be "stolen." The "locals" of Palestine have not had any dictates or real ownership over that land for centuries.

The Jews have not been in control for thousands of years yet they some how they have a claim? Anyone want to talk about the Iron Age Israelite kingdoms, Israel and Judah? What maybe 120-150 years as an independent state(s). Sorry that is just not enough to make a claim on the land.

The League of Nations, followed by the UN, says they have a claim to a chunk of that land. And the UK government that controlled the land and won it from the Ottomans GAVE them a chunk of the land. Problem is that the neighboring Arabs haven't been good about acknowledging it. And when the Arabs attacked, they lost even more land.

[Anonymous]

Shocking to see where the aid meant for Palestinians ends up. $1.5M was found in Gaza's tunnels and over $1M was found to have been spent by Hamas leaders on a luxury stay in Doha, including $315.5K on dining and $26.5K on SPA treatments during hostage talks.

Aid money isn't lost, it's funding opulent lifestyles for Hamas elites. Is this the destination we intended for “humanitarian support”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has lost its way. Most reasonable Jewish people in the US are aghast at what Israel is doing right now. Israel needs to get rid of Bibi immediately.

'Most reasonable ' - If they disagree with you they are unreasonable?

DP I think most reasonable people, regardless of whether they are Jewish, don't support starvation. I also think a person is unreasonable if they support starvation.

Do you disagree with that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Shocking to see where the aid meant for Palestinians ends up. $1.5M was found in Gaza's tunnels and over $1M was found to have been spent by Hamas leaders on a luxury stay in Doha, including $315.5K on dining and $26.5K on SPA treatments during hostage talks.

Aid money isn't lost, it's funding opulent lifestyles for Hamas elites. Is this the destination we intended for “humanitarian support”?

They blow millions on luxury while the Palestinian children in their care go hungry.