Jen Hatmaker

[Anonymous]

I actually respect the Christian bloggers who managed to shift into a normal job, and who aren't doing the forever grift that Jen, Glennon, and Rachel Hollis are doing. I feel like this is true for Kristen, and Jamie Wright, Angie Smith, Nish and some of the others who just sort of let go of the influencer role instead of desperately trying to hang on. Yes, their instagram feeds now look like any other moms but I think that's better than it looking like a montage of sponsored posts and self-help bullshit. I think Jen would do well to get a normal day job and a partner who isn't also trying to grift online.

[Anonymous]

Yup. The best think Brandon could do for his recovery and therefore his family and his life, is stay away from influencer culture. Tina tried it and couldn’t last a day.

The real estate thing still seems kind of suspect though. Hopefully they’re much more honest with each other about finances than he and Jen were.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually respect the Christian bloggers who managed to shift into a normal job, and who aren't doing the forever grift that Jen, Glennon, and Rachel Hollis are doing. I feel like this is true for Kristen, and Jamie Wright, Angie Smith, Nish and some of the others who just sort of let go of the influencer role instead of desperately trying to hang on. Yes, their instagram feeds now look like any other moms but I think that's better than it looking like a montage of sponsored posts and self-help bullshit. I think Jen would do well to get a normal day job and a partner who isn't also trying to grift online.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually respect the Christian bloggers who managed to shift into a normal job, and who aren't doing the forever grift that Jen, Glennon, and Rachel Hollis are doing. I feel like this is true for Kristen, and Jamie Wright, Angie Smith, Nish and some of the others who just sort of let go of the influencer role instead of desperately trying to hang on. Yes, their instagram feeds now look like any other moms but I think that's better than it looking like a montage of sponsored posts and self-help bullshit. I think Jen would do well to get a normal day job and a partner who isn't also trying to grift online.

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Glennon seems ok though. She has Abby, they stay pretty on brand. Her family seems to be doing well, she has good guests. I don't actually watch her regularly but she doesn't grate my nerves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Howerton is all about snarking on all things church culture. And she can’t stay home more than 2 months at a time.

Kristen has no class, she’s a therapist who publicly trashes her ex all the time. The father of her kids. He may be slime but the public passive aggressive comments are unprofessional. I’d never see her for counseling.

[Anonymous]

Kristen has no class, she’s a therapist who publicly trashes her ex all the time. The father of her kids. He may be slime but the public passive aggressive comments are unprofessional. I’d never see her for counseling.

Really? Where? I've never seen her do this and I've followed her a long time. I remember her being pretty chummy with her ex after their divorce. And even in her book she didn't trash him or really spill any tea. (I admit I was disappointed.) If there is tea I've missed please point me to it!

[Anonymous]

Everyone is talking about the teeth (rudely) and I’m wondering where the heck she even came from. Jen never mentioned her and then out of the blue, this woman over a decade younger is their new bff. It seems like her husband bought her into the group with gifts like Vespas for everybody and trips away whereas that Other heavyset woman who is sometimes in their bff photos and sometimes not seems to have been passed over for a BFF promotion.

I’m sure Jen would love a dark-skinned friend to validate her posturing as an “ally” yet with these types of people and groups, you have to pay a hefty entrance fee to get in the door and if you’re a POC especially, I’m sure you have to pay a hefty price in self-worth to stay in the door.

Someone already said it that the kids didn’t have a choice to be adopted and the bf w/o any black friends either is obviously just in it for the promo.

Not saying Jen is racist but I agree it’s telling and way too common with sjw White feminism. Posting about anti-racism and diversity and MLK but putting up subtle barriers to keep POC at a distance.

Imagine what it could do for the self-esteem of child like R to see her mom embrace a black woman as she embraces white women, in a deep enduring, ride or die type of friendship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is talking about the teeth (rudely) and I’m wondering where the heck she even came from. Jen never mentioned her and then out of the blue, this woman over a decade younger is their new bff. It seems like her husband bought her into the group with gifts like Vespas for everybody and trips away whereas that Other heavyset woman who is sometimes in their bff photos and sometimes not seems to have been passed over for a BFF promotion.

I’m sure Jen would love a dark-skinned friend to validate her posturing as an “ally” yet with these types of people and groups, you have to pay a hefty entrance fee to get in the door and if you’re a POC especially, I’m sure you have to pay a hefty price in self-worth to stay in the door.

Someone already said it that the kids didn’t have a choice to be adopted and the bf w/o any black friends either is obviously just in it for the promo.

Not saying Jen is racist but I agree it’s telling and way too common with sjw White feminism. Posting about anti-racism and diversity and MLK but putting up subtle barriers to keep POC at a distance.

Imagine what it could do for the self-esteem of child like R to see her mom embrace a black woman as she embraces white women, in a deep enduring, ride or die type of friendship.

I think, to a large degree, the entire progressive thing is largely about image rather than substance, about being seen striking the right poses and signaling for the right causes rather than actually living anything out. It's what the late writer Tom Wolfe referred to as "radical chic."

I was in a church full of these sorts of people for over a decade. A large contingent of the women were Glennon and Jen fans who advocated social justice causes and posted about racism on their Facebook pages, etc. Ironically, the most authentic members of our church, who ministered to all kinds of people in all kinds of low key, non-flashy ways, were the most theologically and politically conservative family in the church. The husband voted for Trump. He also mentored young black men in the Chicago public school system. He was there for me when I had a major mental health issue.

It reminds me of Jesus words: "for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God."

[Anonymous]

Before we continue going down the path of Brando is a normal dude - it looks like he changed his IG to toptentexas and in the bio is seeking partners and collaborators. So he’s decided to pivot and go hard down the influencer hole.

[Anonymous]

Brandon is a normal enough dude but most people are pretty shitty.

Brandon took a back seat to Jen and he got bitter. It’s not that he didn’t crave the spotlight but he simply couldn’t build any substantial audience on his own. He even built his own church and ditched it because he couldn’t get enough adoration. His kids were obsessed with him and it still wasn’t enough.

Both Jen and Brandon got accustomed to living above their means. Now they have to hustle to keep up the multiple vacations per year and such.

Tina could easily make bigger waves on social media and thus help Brandon’s PR but good on her for recognizing it’s ugliness and stepping back. Guarantee her kid would be torn apart too so I respect that decision.

[Anonymous]

In other Instagram news, Jen is giving away a free cruise for you and a friend, which indicates it's not selling as she anticipated.

It has a whopping two entries on IG so I took a peek on FB. It has more traction there but not an astronomical response. She's asking for her fans to "nominate someone who is crushing this thing we call life."

One person on FB has nominated herself citing that she's "faithful while deconstructing Oregon mama" and I read it without my readers and thought it said "faithful WHITE deconstructing Oregon mama" LOL.

In other news around the internet, Tina Hatmaker's profile is now public.

These people, man. They are more entertaining than the Australian breakdancing zero score girl.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is talking about the teeth (rudely) and I’m wondering where the heck she even came from. Jen never mentioned her and then out of the blue, this woman over a decade younger is their new bff. It seems like her husband bought her into the group with gifts like Vespas for everybody and trips away whereas that Other heavyset woman who is sometimes in their bff photos and sometimes not seems to have been passed over for a BFF promotion.

I’m sure Jen would love a dark-skinned friend to validate her posturing as an “ally” yet with these types of people and groups, you have to pay a hefty entrance fee to get in the door and if you’re a POC especially, I’m sure you have to pay a hefty price in self-worth to stay in the door.

Someone already said it that the kids didn’t have a choice to be adopted and the bf w/o any black friends either is obviously just in it for the promo.

Not saying Jen is racist but I agree it’s telling and way too common with sjw White feminism. Posting about anti-racism and diversity and MLK but putting up subtle barriers to keep POC at a distance.

Imagine what it could do for the self-esteem of child like R to see her mom embrace a black woman as she embraces white women, in a deep enduring, ride or die type of friendship.

I think, to a large degree, the entire progressive thing is largely about image rather than substance, about being seen striking the right poses and signaling for the right causes rather than actually living anything out. It's what the late writer Tom Wolfe referred to as "radical chic."

I was in a church full of these sorts of people for over a decade. A large contingent of the women were Glennon and Jen fans who advocated social justice causes and posted about racism on their Facebook pages, etc. Ironically, the most authentic members of our church, who ministered to all kinds of people in all kinds of low key, non-flashy ways, were the most theologically and politically conservative family in the church. The husband voted for Trump. He also mentored young black men in the Chicago public school system. He was there for me when I had a major mental health issue.

It reminds me of Jesus words: "for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God."

I think both of these responses are very thoughtful and very telling. I don't know the answer about how Megan came to be in the girl gang. She is younger than the rest of them and I never really thought about that, so interesting. And Jen is no different than every white mom in my Texas suburb who posts BLM and allyship stuff on Facebook and does absolutely nothing IRL to help any of these marginalized groups. She might think her "community" and the "amplification" behind these messages are doing some actual good but she's just lip service.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is talking about the teeth (rudely) and I’m wondering where the heck she even came from. Jen never mentioned her and then out of the blue, this woman over a decade younger is their new bff. It seems like her husband bought her into the group with gifts like Vespas for everybody and trips away whereas that Other heavyset woman who is sometimes in their bff photos and sometimes not seems to have been passed over for a BFF promotion.

I’m sure Jen would love a dark-skinned friend to validate her posturing as an “ally” yet with these types of people and groups, you have to pay a hefty entrance fee to get in the door and if you’re a POC especially, I’m sure you have to pay a hefty price in self-worth to stay in the door.

Someone already said it that the kids didn’t have a choice to be adopted and the bf w/o any black friends either is obviously just in it for the promo.

Not saying Jen is racist but I agree it’s telling and way too common with sjw White feminism. Posting about anti-racism and diversity and MLK but putting up subtle barriers to keep POC at a distance.

Imagine what it could do for the self-esteem of child like R to see her mom embrace a black woman as she embraces white women, in a deep enduring, ride or die type of friendship.

I think, to a large degree, the entire progressive thing is largely about image rather than substance, about being seen striking the right poses and signaling for the right causes rather than actually living anything out. It's what the late writer Tom Wolfe referred to as "radical chic."

I was in a church full of these sorts of people for over a decade. A large contingent of the women were Glennon and Jen fans who advocated social justice causes and posted about racism on their Facebook pages, etc. Ironically, the most authentic members of our church, who ministered to all kinds of people in all kinds of low key, non-flashy ways, were the most theologically and politically conservative family in the church. The husband voted for Trump. He also mentored young black men in the Chicago public school system. He was there for me when I had a major mental health issue.

It reminds me of Jesus words: "for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God."

Progressivism is fashionable in these circles. Feminism too. But a lot of it is just empty posing, as you said.

I work in media and by far the nastiest most back stabbing most anti-women managers and editors are the loudest public “feminists”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is talking about the teeth (rudely) and I’m wondering where the heck she even came from. Jen never mentioned her and then out of the blue, this woman over a decade younger is their new bff. It seems like her husband bought her into the group with gifts like Vespas for everybody and trips away whereas that Other heavyset woman who is sometimes in their bff photos and sometimes not seems to have been passed over for a BFF promotion.

I’m sure Jen would love a dark-skinned friend to validate her posturing as an “ally” yet with these types of people and groups, you have to pay a hefty entrance fee to get in the door and if you’re a POC especially, I’m sure you have to pay a hefty price in self-worth to stay in the door.

Someone already said it that the kids didn’t have a choice to be adopted and the bf w/o any black friends either is obviously just in it for the promo.

Not saying Jen is racist but I agree it’s telling and way too common with sjw White feminism. Posting about anti-racism and diversity and MLK but putting up subtle barriers to keep POC at a distance.

Imagine what it could do for the self-esteem of child like R to see her mom embrace a black woman as she embraces white women, in a deep enduring, ride or die type of friendship.

I think, to a large degree, the entire progressive thing is largely about image rather than substance, about being seen striking the right poses and signaling for the right causes rather than actually living anything out. It's what the late writer Tom Wolfe referred to as "radical chic."

I was in a church full of these sorts of people for over a decade. A large contingent of the women were Glennon and Jen fans who advocated social justice causes and posted about racism on their Facebook pages, etc. Ironically, the most authentic members of our church, who ministered to all kinds of people in all kinds of low key, non-flashy ways, were the most theologically and politically conservative family in the church. The husband voted for Trump. He also mentored young black men in the Chicago public school system. He was there for me when I had a major mental health issue.

It reminds me of Jesus words: "for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God."

Progressivism is fashionable in these circles. Feminism too. But a lot of it is just empty posing, as you said.

I work in media and by far the nastiest most back stabbing most anti-women managers and editors are the loudest public “feminists”.

This may be anecdotal, but I’m seeing a big shift in “real life”. I have several super progressive, white women in my family. Their social media accounts from 2016-2022’ish were NON-STOP liberal campaigns. The black squares, the Jan 6 pictures, the pink p*ssy hats, abortion is healthcare, all of it. My COUSIN literally said (via Instagram), that anyone not aligning with her political beliefs should “remove themselves” from her life. Lol. No one did, of course.

Now? Complete SILENCE. They’re still active on social media, but post NOTHING political. No Kamala ads, no “the boxer is a woman!” posts, not even a single mention of Palestine.

What happened???
Is anyone else seeing the same with their “real life” people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is talking about the teeth (rudely) and I’m wondering where the heck she even came from. Jen never mentioned her and then out of the blue, this woman over a decade younger is their new bff. It seems like her husband bought her into the group with gifts like Vespas for everybody and trips away whereas that Other heavyset woman who is sometimes in their bff photos and sometimes not seems to have been passed over for a BFF promotion.

I’m sure Jen would love a dark-skinned friend to validate her posturing as an “ally” yet with these types of people and groups, you have to pay a hefty entrance fee to get in the door and if you’re a POC especially, I’m sure you have to pay a hefty price in self-worth to stay in the door.

Someone already said it that the kids didn’t have a choice to be adopted and the bf w/o any black friends either is obviously just in it for the promo.

Not saying Jen is racist but I agree it’s telling and way too common with sjw White feminism. Posting about anti-racism and diversity and MLK but putting up subtle barriers to keep POC at a distance.

Imagine what it could do for the self-esteem of child like R to see her mom embrace a black woman as she embraces white women, in a deep enduring, ride or die type of friendship.

I think, to a large degree, the entire progressive thing is largely about image rather than substance, about being seen striking the right poses and signaling for the right causes rather than actually living anything out. It's what the late writer Tom Wolfe referred to as "radical chic."

I was in a church full of these sorts of people for over a decade. A large contingent of the women were Glennon and Jen fans who advocated social justice causes and posted about racism on their Facebook pages, etc. Ironically, the most authentic members of our church, who ministered to all kinds of people in all kinds of low key, non-flashy ways, were the most theologically and politically conservative family in the church. The husband voted for Trump. He also mentored young black men in the Chicago public school system. He was there for me when I had a major mental health issue.

It reminds me of Jesus words: "for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God."

Progressivism is fashionable in these circles. Feminism too. But a lot of it is just empty posing, as you said.

I work in media and by far the nastiest most back stabbing most anti-women managers and editors are the loudest public “feminists”.

This may be anecdotal, but I’m seeing a big shift in “real life”. I have several super progressive, white women in my family. Their social media accounts from 2016-2022’ish were NON-STOP liberal campaigns. The black squares, the Jan 6 pictures, the pink p*ssy hats, abortion is healthcare, all of it. My COUSIN literally said (via Instagram), that anyone not aligning with her political beliefs should “remove themselves” from her life. Lol. No one did, of course.

Now? Complete SILENCE. They’re still active on social media, but post NOTHING political. No Kamala ads, no “the boxer is a woman!” posts, not even a single mention of Palestine.

What happened???
Is anyone else seeing the same with their “real life” people?

Maybe slightly less. The "worst offenders" in my personal circle have been quieter but I think they're just starting to get amped up for the elections, LOL. I also think there has been some settling and maybe a small shift toward center for some of them. Might have something to do with the economy, might have something to do with the fact that women's spaces are being taken away from us, or might have something to do with feeling the alienation that resulted from posts like that. Who knows? I consider myself just right of center but over the past eight years, my more blue leaning friends have slid waaaayyyyy left and now I am "uber right wing" in their eyes, which is not how I see myself or view the world.

Out of all my black square pink cooter hat posting friends, I know two that actually give their time to the causes they believe in.