ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

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Anonymous wrote:Union will keep SYC’s players and Brave players will fill in the gaps.

Fixed that for you. Also, that’s a big question as to how many SYC players stay or go.

Talking girls? Nobody in their right mind would leave an established (albeit, evolving) ECNL club to go play for a club that was just given a GA patch.

Tell me you're the biggest ECNL cheerleader in the world without saying it out loud.

This is a thread about two ECNL clubs but here you are, SYC dad interjecting yourself into every conversation in a desperate attempt to feel relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats Union, between the two BRAVE coaches who are taking over Union teams the two coaches have a combined record of 9-36-5 across 4 teams this season.

Yeah, McLean families have every right to be worried.

And you attribute that record all to the coaches and not the talent of the players they are working with?

The coach picked the talent and coached the talent.

Coaches can only pick the talent that comes to their id sessions. It’s not like there is a single talent pool for all the clubs to draft from

If there was a single talent pool, some coaches would be better at drafting than others. Consider 2024 the year of the single talent pool. Who do you want as your coach?

He hasn't proven anything so I'd still not choose him. He wasn't a draw to BRAVE before and he isn't a draw now.

There is a single talent pool. Everyone who is moving. You will see the same kids at Loudoun, VDA, Arlington, and sometimes SYC, Revolution, FCV. Will you see them at FVU? Is that their top choice? Depends on the coach.

Not if BRAVE coaches are leading the teams. The BRAVE coaches will only act as player repellants

What an insipid comment.

Is it really? Is that why hardly anyone ever goes to BRAVE? Is that why most of their teams are in last or near last place because they attract quality players?

Of their 6 girls teams, Brave is averaging 8.8th place out of 13. That’s the 33rd percentile. Not where they want to be, I’m sure, but 3 of their 4 youngest age groups are decent to good, the oldest girls long ago lost their best players to ECNL clubs, and Vienna has had to source the majority of the players.

But definitely not averaging 13th (all teams in last), 12th, 11th, or 10th.

On the boys’ side they are averaging a 12.5 out of 16, or 22nd percentile.

Meanwhile Union’s boys are averaging a 10.7, or 33rd percentile, the same as Brave’s Girls.

The only piece above average here is Union girls, averaging a 5.3, or 59th percentile. But of course they have been doing it with SYC talent, and that pipeline was stopped regardless of whether they merged with Brave.

BRAVE lost ECNL and McLean didn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats Union, between the two BRAVE coaches who are taking over Union teams the two coaches have a combined record of 9-36-5 across 4 teams this season.

Yeah, McLean families have every right to be worried.

And you attribute that record all to the coaches and not the talent of the players they are working with?

The coach picked the talent and coached the talent.

Coaches can only pick the talent that comes to their id sessions. It’s not like there is a single talent pool for all the clubs to draft from

If there was a single talent pool, some coaches would be better at drafting than others. Consider 2024 the year of the single talent pool. Who do you want as your coach?

He hasn't proven anything so I'd still not choose him. He wasn't a draw to BRAVE before and he isn't a draw now.

There is a single talent pool. Everyone who is moving. You will see the same kids at Loudoun, VDA, Arlington, and sometimes SYC, Revolution, FCV. Will you see them at FVU? Is that their top choice? Depends on the coach.

Not if BRAVE coaches are leading the teams. The BRAVE coaches will only act as player repellants

What an insipid comment.

Is it really? Is that why hardly anyone ever goes to BRAVE? Is that why most of their teams are in last or near last place because they attract quality players?

Of their 6 girls teams, Brave is averaging 8.8th place out of 13. That’s the 33rd percentile. Not where they want to be, I’m sure, but 3 of their 4 youngest age groups are decent to good, the oldest girls long ago lost their best players to ECNL clubs, and Vienna has had to source the majority of the players.

But definitely not averaging 13th (all teams in last), 12th, 11th, or 10th.

On the boys’ side they are averaging a 12.5 out of 16, or 22nd percentile.

Meanwhile Union’s boys are averaging a 10.7, or 33rd percentile, the same as Brave’s Girls.

The only piece above average here is Union girls, averaging a 5.3, or 59th percentile. But of course they have been doing it with SYC talent, and that pipeline was stopped regardless of whether they merged with Brave.

Why is everyone feeling the threat then? I see BRAVE was the underdog here and believe it or not it was improving. Aside the BRYC coaches who didn’t want to change their style of play, the younger teams could have improved significantly if staying longer. Has Union improved over the hundred years they’ve been in ECNL? No, they have been declining and their top players are graduating.
Here the vision is to keep the top players from both clubs rather than handing them up as a present to other clubs like VDA.

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Anonymous wrote:Union will keep SYC’s players and Brave players will fill in the gaps.

Fixed that for you. Also, that’s a big question as to how many SYC players stay or go.

Talking girls? Nobody in their right mind would leave an established (albeit, evolving) ECNL club to go play for a club that was just given a GA patch.

Tell me you're the biggest ECNL cheerleader in the world without saying it out loud.

This is a thread about two ECNL clubs but here you are, SYC dad interjecting yourself into every conversation in a desperate attempt to feel relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats Union, between the two BRAVE coaches who are taking over Union teams the two coaches have a combined record of 9-36-5 across 4 teams this season.

Yeah, McLean families have every right to be worried.

And you attribute that record all to the coaches and not the talent of the players they are working with?

The coach picked the talent and coached the talent.

Coaches can only pick the talent that comes to their id sessions. It’s not like there is a single talent pool for all the clubs to draft from

If there was a single talent pool, some coaches would be better at drafting than others. Consider 2024 the year of the single talent pool. Who do you want as your coach?

He hasn't proven anything so I'd still not choose him. He wasn't a draw to BRAVE before and he isn't a draw now.

There is a single talent pool. Everyone who is moving. You will see the same kids at Loudoun, VDA, Arlington, and sometimes SYC, Revolution, FCV. Will you see them at FVU? Is that their top choice? Depends on the coach.

Not if BRAVE coaches are leading the teams. The BRAVE coaches will only act as player repellants

What an insipid comment.

Is it really? Is that why hardly anyone ever goes to BRAVE? Is that why most of their teams are in last or near last place because they attract quality players?

Of their 6 girls teams, Brave is averaging 8.8th place out of 13. That’s the 33rd percentile. Not where they want to be, I’m sure, but 3 of their 4 youngest age groups are decent to good, the oldest girls long ago lost their best players to ECNL clubs, and Vienna has had to source the majority of the players.

But definitely not averaging 13th (all teams in last), 12th, 11th, or 10th.

On the boys’ side they are averaging a 12.5 out of 16, or 22nd percentile.

Meanwhile Union’s boys are averaging a 10.7, or 33rd percentile, the same as Brave’s Girls.

The only piece above average here is Union girls, averaging a 5.3, or 59th percentile. But of course they have been doing it with SYC talent, and that pipeline was stopped regardless of whether they merged with Brave.

BRAVE lost ECNL and McLean didn't.

Not true. But keep trying.

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Anonymous wrote:Union will keep SYC’s players and Brave players will fill in the gaps.

Fixed that for you. Also, that’s a big question as to how many SYC players stay or go.

Talking girls? Nobody in their right mind would leave an established (albeit, evolving) ECNL club to go play for a club that was just given a GA patch.

Tell me you're the biggest ECNL cheerleader in the world without saying it out loud.

This is a thread about two ECNL clubs but here you are, SYC dad interjecting yourself into every conversation in a desperate attempt to feel relevant.

It’s not a dad. It’s a syc coach. They are disappointed that after calling every one of their former players in Union, that the only ones that are considering coming back are the ones that don’t make FVU.
SYC is so mad they are not getting any attention right now. FVU ruined their party. But SYC will get some of the disappointed families. They will get even more disappointed when they realize no one at SYC has any college connections.

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Anonymous wrote:NM is going to get fired from GFR. RP has sued an won his first case (wrongful termination). Going to sue to regain control of the board. RS is corrupt and will be ousted

If that's true, it was the fastest conclusion of legal action in the history of the legal system. Wasn't he just fired from GFR about a month ago?

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats Union, between the two BRAVE coaches who are taking over Union teams the two coaches have a combined record of 9-36-5 across 4 teams this season.

Yeah, McLean families have every right to be worried.

And you attribute that record all to the coaches and not the talent of the players they are working with?

The coach picked the talent and coached the talent.

Coaches can only pick the talent that comes to their id sessions. It’s not like there is a single talent pool for all the clubs to draft from

If there was a single talent pool, some coaches would be better at drafting than others. Consider 2024 the year of the single talent pool. Who do you want as your coach?

He hasn't proven anything so I'd still not choose him. He wasn't a draw to BRAVE before and he isn't a draw now.

There is a single talent pool. Everyone who is moving. You will see the same kids at Loudoun, VDA, Arlington, and sometimes SYC, Revolution, FCV. Will you see them at FVU? Is that their top choice? Depends on the coach.

Not if BRAVE coaches are leading the teams. The BRAVE coaches will only act as player repellants

What an insipid comment.

Is it really? Is that why hardly anyone ever goes to BRAVE? Is that why most of their teams are in last or near last place because they attract quality players?

Of their 6 girls teams, Brave is averaging 8.8th place out of 13. That’s the 33rd percentile. Not where they want to be, I’m sure, but 3 of their 4 youngest age groups are decent to good, the oldest girls long ago lost their best players to ECNL clubs, and Vienna has had to source the majority of the players.

But definitely not averaging 13th (all teams in last), 12th, 11th, or 10th.

On the boys’ side they are averaging a 12.5 out of 16, or 22nd percentile.

Meanwhile Union’s boys are averaging a 10.7, or 33rd percentile, the same as Brave’s Girls.

The only piece above average here is Union girls, averaging a 5.3, or 59th percentile. But of course they have been doing it with SYC talent, and that pipeline was stopped regardless of whether they merged with Brave.

Why is everyone feeling the threat then? I see BRAVE was the underdog here and believe it or not it was improving. Aside the BRYC coaches who didn’t want to change their style of play, the younger teams could have improved significantly if staying longer. Has Union improved over the hundred years they’ve been in ECNL? No, they have been declining and their top players are graduating.
Here the vision is to keep the top players from both clubs rather than handing them up as a present to other clubs like VDA.

Union has 8 high D1 commits for the class of 25, including a YNT player…they aren’t graduating. Does BRAVE have any? BRAVE has a parent coach for their U19 boys team! It’s amateur hour over there.

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Anonymous wrote:15 commitments in THREE YEARS.

FCV and Union do that a year.

MYS — does that per team per year. There is a reason that moving to VU or merged clubs would be positive for those who are playing well. The college recruitment work surpasses all clubs in the area. Arlington — nope; Bethesda — publicizes their fewer college placement slightly better but numbers simply do not match McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats Union, between the two BRAVE coaches who are taking over Union teams the two coaches have a combined record of 9-36-5 across 4 teams this season.

Yeah, McLean families have every right to be worried.

And you attribute that record all to the coaches and not the talent of the players they are working with?

The coach picked the talent and coached the talent.

Coaches can only pick the talent that comes to their id sessions. It’s not like there is a single talent pool for all the clubs to draft from

If there was a single talent pool, some coaches would be better at drafting than others. Consider 2024 the year of the single talent pool. Who do you want as your coach?

He hasn't proven anything so I'd still not choose him. He wasn't a draw to BRAVE before and he isn't a draw now.

There is a single talent pool. Everyone who is moving. You will see the same kids at Loudoun, VDA, Arlington, and sometimes SYC, Revolution, FCV. Will you see them at FVU? Is that their top choice? Depends on the coach.

Not if BRAVE coaches are leading the teams. The BRAVE coaches will only act as player repellants

What an insipid comment.

Is it really? Is that why hardly anyone ever goes to BRAVE? Is that why most of their teams are in last or near last place because they attract quality players?

Of their 6 girls teams, Brave is averaging 8.8th place out of 13. That’s the 33rd percentile. Not where they want to be, I’m sure, but 3 of their 4 youngest age groups are decent to good, the oldest girls long ago lost their best players to ECNL clubs, and Vienna has had to source the majority of the players.

But definitely not averaging 13th (all teams in last), 12th, 11th, or 10th.

On the boys’ side they are averaging a 12.5 out of 16, or 22nd percentile.

Meanwhile Union’s boys are averaging a 10.7, or 33rd percentile, the same as Brave’s Girls.

The only piece above average here is Union girls, averaging a 5.3, or 59th percentile. But of course they have been doing it with SYC talent, and that pipeline was stopped regardless of whether they merged with Brave.

Why is everyone feeling the threat then? I see BRAVE was the underdog here and believe it or not it was improving. Aside the BRYC coaches who didn’t want to change their style of play, the younger teams could have improved significantly if staying longer. Has Union improved over the hundred years they’ve been in ECNL? No, they have been declining and their top players are graduating.
Here the vision is to keep the top players from both clubs rather than handing them up as a present to other clubs like VDA.

Union has 8 high D1 commits for the class of 25, including a YNT player…they aren’t graduating. Does BRAVE have any? BRAVE has a parent coach for their U19 boys team! It’s amateur hour over there.

No worries, MV will boost more D1 for McLean

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The boys at Union are the sacrificial lambs in all of this. Union has always overlooked the boys in favor of the girls- more resources, more staff, more college focus- the ED and TD don’t even try to hide it. It’s been that way forever And now MYS is paying the piper for their complete absenteeism in investing in the boys side as ECNL came calling. Bravo to ECNL negotiators who somehow convinced an inept McLean administration to bend over backwards to solve Brave’s probation problem. How Brave became MYS’s problem is anybody’s guess. Rather than call ECNLs bluff (would ECNL really pull the girls charter-no), they roll over and do something that will lead to their eventual talent demise. RIP MYS. Enjoy the rec EDP and extra field space you now have. Union parents should band together and start a petition to oust the ED or find the many lawyers among their parent group to review the MYS charter to see if this raw deal the ED struck is even legal . Mys is a nonprofit and benefits from non profit status….the rush job on this deal with zero advance comms surely means they made mistakes in paperwork filing etc. Admin should go down in flames for this.

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No one in their right mind is leaving for GA teams. Your kiddo would be better off at regional ECNL….anyone that knows the youth soccer landscape knows that. Soccer 101 for dummies

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Anonymous wrote:NM is going to get fired from GFR. RP has sued an won his first case (wrongful termination). Going to sue to regain control of the board. RS is corrupt and will be ousted

If that's true, it was the fastest conclusion of legal action in the history of the legal system. Wasn't he just fired from GFR about a month ago?

RP is not suing a person but rather a non-profit organization. He continues to do what he does best…stealing money from soccer families for doing absolutely nothing. Imagine resigning because you couldn’t get the board to fire your boss and then suing for wrongful termination. RP needs to get a life.

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Anonymous wrote:No one in their right mind is leaving for GA teams. Your kiddo would be better off at regional ECNL….anyone that knows the youth soccer landscape knows that. Soccer 101 for dummies

ECNL parents right now.

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Anonymous wrote:NEFC and Tophat will never get on btw. GA caters to them too much for them to leave

I think you will find the opposite, that is something said by a lot of the GA, is that the leagues focus in on the middle (was said on their call at the weekend by the league president).

Thats why the top end is racing to leave, it is the neglected part.